cHawk

Same here. *sigh* I can’t watch this team. It’s like “playoffs, the 162-game season edition”

It’s unfortunate, and none of us really thought we’d be asking this this year, but it’s reality. This season is a disaster. The Twins will finish with somewhere around 100 losses. It might be time to clean house. What do y’all think?

No, I’m not an apologist. I’m not letting Baldelli off the hook. The 5 statements listed are things we hear all of the time on Sports Radio, in Forums, etc. The FO wasn’t even the topic here.

Next year might be a developmental year, rather than an all-in year. We’ll need to develop some prospects in to quality pitchers, as well as continue to develop the likes of Kirilloff, Larnach, Jeffers, and possibly Arraez.

Gen chat about this subject because IDK WTF what else it’s supposed to be.

IDK about completely, maybe keep Duffey and Rogers around. Definitely keep Alcala. But everyone else should go In a few years we could have Rogers, Duffey, Alcala, Colina, Canterino, Winder, and 2 FAs. Of course that’s assuming Duffey returns to form and Alcala stops giving up HRs.

Could Rocco himself be the problem?

It should be illegal to construct a team as bad as Baltimore — And we just lost to them.

Maybe we should build our next team like Atlanta. i.e. Draft the pitching and sign the hitters. We also need to do better at building an offense. Specifically one without holes. Our lineups the last two years have had holes that have been massively exposed in the big games.

And most importantly, “How do we make sure that it doesn’t happen again.”

There was a major difference between the two: The SP

If we’re throwing 2020 out the window, we also throw the 2020 playoff series out the window.

Wow. Just wow. What a disaster of a season. Bad hitting, horrible defense, horrible relief pitching, suspect starting pitching, bad in-game management. What more could you want? What I fear is that the guys up top will pretend this was all a bad dream and not do a damn thing about it. SOMEBODY needs to pay. I just don’t know who.

The Twins may have won yesterday, but they scored one run in 9 innings against the ****ING ORIOLES. That is a pathetic offense. So...offense. Something more important than a lot of people give it credit for. In 2019, the Twins had a record-setting year on offense. 307 HR, 939 Runs Scored, Top 5 in pretty much every (meaningful) batting stat. However, it went radio silent in the playoffs. Scoring 2.3 runs per game against that Yankees pitching staff is pathetic. In 2020, the Twins brought back all of the same hitters with one exception: They replaced C.J. Cron with Josh Donaldson in the starting lineup, which would make the offense (on paper) even better. But there was one red flag change: There was a different hitting coach. In 2019, it was James Rowson. In 2020-2021, it’s Edgar Varela. The Twins proceed to have a MASSIVELY disappointing year on offense, that scored exactly 2 (count em TWO!) runs in 2 games against Houston. That’s inexcusable against any pitching staff. Going into the 2020-2021 offseason, Twins fans seemed to still want pitching and ONLY pitching in the offseason...why? Pitching was an area that needed to be a bit better, but the offense was somehow fine? I shouldn’t have to tell you that if you score two or fewer runs per game in the playoffs, you will never win more than MAYBE a single game. That’s basic baseball. You could have a rotation of Jacob deGrom, Gerrit Cole, Shane Bieber, Trevor Bauer, and Clayton Kershaw. You will not win if you score <2 runs per game. (Would we really be much happier if we lost 3-1 to the Yankees or 2-1 to the Astros?) In the last 15 Playoff Games the Twins have played in, this is how many runs they’ve scored ZERO times they score 5+ runs 3 times they scored 4 runs 2 times they scored 3 runs 4 times they scored 2 runs 6 times they scored 1 run 0 times they were shut out Average runs/game: (3*4 + 2*3 + 4*2 + 6*1)/15 = (12 + 6 + 8 + 6)/15 = 32/15 = 2.1 runs/game. That is ****ing pathetic. If an MLB team hit like that during the regular season, they would lose 120-130 games. A team cannot survive with that level of offensive ineptitude. And once again, you will not beat any playoff team when you score 2.1 runs/game. Teams like the Yankees have MLB-quality offenses. Not to mention, it seems like the offensive ineptitude has gotten even worse over the losing streak, as they’ve scored 1.6 runs/game the last 10, 1.8 runs the last 5, and ONE run/game the last 3. And why do we just brush this off every time and assume it’s a fluke and that “if we just had an ace pitcher or a dominant closer (or something along those lines) we would be champions” ? After the 2020 playoff series, we just brushed off the awful offensive performance and assumed that our offense was still good enough, despite the fact that we’ve seen this **** for 20 years now. One might argue, “Most playoff teams have that quality pitching, and you need to consistently keep your opponents to <2 runs/game.” I will tell you that will never happen in the modern game. Don’t be like Cleveland. Even teams like the Dodgers will never keep their opponents to 2.1 runs/game in the playoffs. The Astros were no different. Didn’t the A’s and Rays wreck the Astros staff in the following series? No, the Twins haven’t consistently faced absolutely dominant ace level pitching. In 2019, they faced Luis Severino, Tanaka, and James Paxton. I don’t see a Gerrit Cole there. In 2020, they faced a mediocre Greinke, Pressly, and a bunch of rookies. Is that absolutely an dominant ace-level staff? No. What could the solution to this be? One might argue that there isn’t one. And quite frankly, there isn’t a super obvious one. But it’s not acceptable. The Twins will NEVER win ANYTHING in the playoffs if that bolded number up above doesn’t change. And we need to stop pretending that it’s a “bad dream” whereas the bad pitching is reality. What do you think the answer is?

Coaching probably has something to do with it being as bad as it is.

They didn’t just need pitching — EVERYTHING was bad in that series against the Yankees. Even if they bolstered their rotation and got a lot of bullpen help they still wouldn’t have won.

I mean the season series is split 3-3

This team wastes scoring opportunities like I waste my time. Smh.

Not saying he was never going to get fired — If the Twins continue to suck and finish w/90+ losses, he won’t be here in 2023. I just said that you can’t say that he “has no fire,” when you don’t have the evidence to back it up.

Implying the Baldelli has no fire — you obviously didn’t read the whole thing. How do you know he has no fire? Do you see him in the dugout, how he speaks with players after the games, before the games, during the games, in the clubhouse? I mean if the answer is yes then I believe you. But if the answer is no then you have no evidence. And don’t cite the press conferences, you’re not supposed to be “fiery” in front of the press.

Damn, it’s depressing that we’re discussing this and it’s not even Memorial Day.

It isn’t just hard; It’s pretty much impossible. You can’t really determine how much the players are actually putting into their play, unless you talk to them or see them closely on a regular basis.

Defensive WAR?

You’re joking, right?

Please no...