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    Jeremy Nygaard

    As we approach the trade deadline - What? It’s only a little over two months away - there are a number of moves the Twins could and possibly should consider to help enhance their ability to make a deep run into the playoffs.

    But before we jump into those names, let’s examine who (or what?) other teams will be asking about. Let’s assume, too, that the Twins will make top-5 prospect Royce Lewis, top-15 prospect Alex Kirilloff and top pitching prospect Brusdar Graterol off limits.

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    Some other things to consider, in all the moves the Twins made last year - Eduardo Escobar, Ryan Pressly, Zach Duke, Lance Lynn, Brian Dozier and Fernando Rodney - they only took back three players (of 13) that were already on the 40-man. None of those three players remain on the 40-man and only one, Chase DeJong, who has been removed from the 40-man twice since being acquired, is still in the organization.

    Acting in such a way gives the sellers more opportunities to both evaluate their current roster and be active on the waiver wire. It would be fair to believe sellers in the current market would look at doing the same type of thing.

    As I mentioned in a Finer Points article, many of the Twins acquisitions came with one more year before needing to be added to the 40-man roster. The Twins could face a roster crunch in getting these players onto their 40-man in November. Could that lead to some of those players who were acquired last year being flipped?

    Or could it lead to more aggressively pursuing players as rentals, knowing that they can replace them with some of their better prospects?

    Those are questions we don’t have answers to, but when the Twins call or take a call, what names are they going to be hearing on the other end?

    SS Wander Javier

    Born: 12/29/1998 (20 years old)

    Current level: Extended Spring Training

    Why would he be targeted? Javier was a top prospect in the 2015 international class and, despite spending a significant amount of time injured, has enhanced his prospect status with his performance in the Appy League in 2017. Javier is expected to join the Kernels as soon as his body is ready.

    Why should the Twins consider moving him? With Jorge Polanco’s entrenched at shortstop and possessing a long-term deal, the Twins are good at one of the middle infield spots (whether you believe he can stick at shortstop or needs to move to second). Royce Lewis is higher up the organizational ladder and Luis Arraez is showing his bat plays at the major league level. Moving Javier would be dealing from depth. Javier is a player that would need to be added to the 40-man in November.

    Other thoughts: How much value does Nick Gordon have? He’s currently taking up a 40-man spot and hasn’t spent a lot of time on the field in 2019. Will Luis Arraez’s value ever be higher? Moving any of these three middle infielders doesn’t deliver a huge blow to the team’s depth.

    C Ben Rortvedt

    Born: 9/25/1997 (21 years old)

    Current level: Pensacola (AA)

    Why would he be targeted? Rortvedt is the highest-ceiling catching prospect in the system and he’s only two promotions from the big leagues. An outstanding defensive catcher, Rortvedt, at a minimum, is a future bench piece on a major league team. He’s progressing offensively, with a keen eye at the plate and a chance to have an average or better hit tool. Additionally, Rortvedt would not need to be added to the 40-man roster until November of 2020, when he should definitely be ready to compete for a big-league job.

    Why should the Twins consider moving him? Though Jason Castro is a free agent at year’s end, we have realized that Mitch Garver is the real deal. Garver also entered the year with just over a year of service time, so he can be the primary catcher for the next five years. There should be little worry about the position in the short-term, despite the overall lack of depth in the system currently.

    OF Trevor Larnach

    Born: 2/26/1997 (22 years old)

    Current level: Fort Myers (high-A)

    Why would he be targeted? Any team can look at the Twins outfield and know it’s going to be tough to break into the lineup there. Top outfield prospect, Alex Kirilloff, is getting work at first base. So where does that leave this outfield prospect? As an asset who doesn’t need to be added to the 40-man until after the 2021 season.

    Why should the Twins consider moving him? Mainly for the same reasons other teams would ask about him. He’s a luxury.

    Other thoughts: Luke Raley and Brent Rooker fit in the same category, for the most part. Both are currently on the injured list and Rooker has not had a good start to the his 2019 campaign. Raley would require a more immediate decision (2019 eligible) than Rooker (2020), but neither player has a clear path to the majors. Could Jake Cave be a trade chip? I think he proved last year that he is certainly capable of being an everyday centerfielder.

    P Jordan Balazovic

    Born: 9/17/1988 (20 years old)

    Current level: Fort Myers (high-A)

    Why would he be targeted? The prospect that would hurt the most to deal is going to be the one most coveted. That’s how this works. Balazovic went from “barely on the radar” to “whoa!” over the course of seven A-ball starts this season. It would be hard to leave him out of the organization's Top 6 or 7 prospects right now and he’s probably becoming a Top 70 prospect league-wide. That is, if he continues on this torrid streak.

    Why should the Twins consider moving him? The Twins know him better than anyone and if they feel this isn’t close to sustainable, they could sell high. In between Balazovic and a big-league rotation spot, there are a number of other starters, albeit with less ceiling.

    Other thoughts: Balazovic (2020 eligible) isn’t the only high ceiling pitching prospect in the stable. Pensacola pitcher Jorge Alcala (2019), Fort Myers’ pitcher Jhoan Duran (2019) and Kernels pitcher Blayne Enlow (2021) could all tickle someone’s fancy.

    Obviously, there are others that could be included as well.

    But the Twins have another pretty enormous trade chip too.

    Competitive Balance Round A Draft Pick #39

    Pool allotment: $1,906,800

    Part of the reason that I wanted to push this out well before the trade deadline is because the Twins only have a handful of days to use this asset in a trade. Competitive Balance picks are the only ones that can be traded and obviously have to be moved before the draft.

    Five of the 12 awarded picks for the 2019 draft have already been moved.

    The Yankees traded Sonny Gray and a prospect for pick #38 and a prospect.

    The #40 pick moved from the A’s to the Rays in the deal that netted the A’s Jurickson Profar.

    The Rangers traded bullpen piece Alex Claudio to the Brewers for pick #41.

    The Diamondbacks acquired a Comp Round B pick from the Cardinals in the Paul Goldschmidt trade. The Marines also acquired a Comp Round B pick from the Indians in the their Edwin Encarnacion/Carlos Santana/Tampa Bay trade.

    As you can see, there is plenty of value in a Comp Round A pick. But it’s more than just the pick itself, it’s the money that’s attached to it. Giving yourself an extra nearly $2 million can benefit teams in a number of ways. Want another really good prospect? You got it. Want to get more creative and push a guy down the board ala Sean Manaea or Dax Cameron? You got that too.

    (Yeah, I know, the Diamondbacks are kings of this draft and draft four times before pick #39… but maybe they want in on this action?)

    The Twins might not be able to get Will Smith straight up for this pick, but it would go a long way. The Reds definitely wouldn’t give up Rasiel Iglesias for just the pick, but again… it would be a nice piece. The Nationals and Sean Doolittle, now that’s reasonable. Or maybe they aim higher.

    What do you think?

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    I think that Lewis, Kirilloff and Graterol would be the first three players teams ask about. 

     

    If the Reds call offering Luis Castillo, then yeah, these names have to be in play. 

     

    But I'd be shocked if Lewis gets moved in any deal. 

     

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    I think the Twins can add a significant piece(s) without moving their top prospects.

     

    This!

     

    Personally, I'd make a no trade list of Kiriloff, Lewis, Javier, Graterol and Balazovic. I'd make everyone else in the system available. That still leaves a ton of talent available to other teams! What's the expression, if it hurts to give someone up then you know it's fair value? I could make a list of 20 guys I'd really like to keep that I think have a chance to play ML ball. (For us or someone else).

     

    I agree 100% a quality piece or two can be brought in without touching the guys on my list. The system is more than deep enough. (Though a few injuries have hurt some guys' value at the moment).

     

    Don't get me wrong though if you were to trade for a legitimate top of the rotation arm I'm willing to move one of those guys in my list. Pitcher to acquire a pitcher for example. Do we need both Lewis and Javier when we have Polanco and other depth pieces? Well, I'd sure like to, but again, in the right BIG DEAL I`m ready to move one of them.

     

    Personally, the one guy I would refuse to part with is Kiriloff. I get organizational depth but I think he's going to be special. And there could easily be a spot in a year or so for him daily at OF/1B/DH.

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    Only thing wrong with this strategizing is that every team already has a certain number of guys just like the ones we are willing to part with. It's the ones we don't want to part with who will attract attention. Opinions in front offices will vary, but you could probably acquire a couple of very top-end players with our very best prospects, and if you could bundle up all the rest you couldn't get a third and fourth one. And if we totally gutted our farm, on the idea that we can restock in the next couple of drafts, well guess what, the other front offices will view it that way from their POV too, and not bother with our mid-tier guys.

     

    You can never have too much pitching, so someone will take your prospects if your asking price in terms of MLB stars isn't too high. But pitching's what I don't want to part with either.

     

    It's not that I over-value prospects and want to clutch them tightly, it's that you literally can't get that much for most of them unless you are willing to take talent that doesn't really change our 25-man roster.

     

    So I'm back to peddling Larnach and then various guys like Celestino. Weak sauce for acquiring multiple difference-makers.

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    Our offense is on fire but our pitching is also great right now. The offense will slow down- especially when we reach the post-season. However, you can never have enough pitching. I don't believe in Gonsalves and think he should be our biggest chip for Will Smith or Doolittle (whom we need). Then we have to be careful that we don't lose both Gibby and Odorizzi though neither is a #1. I'm not sold on Gordon either but some guys who are hot now (like Arraez) may not sustain it. What bothers me is that Rochester has no pitcher ready for the majors and, after seeing them last weekend, they do not look very good. At least the next few months will be interesting.

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    Here's an article on MLB.com speculating on pitchers who might be available this summer:


    https://www.mlb.com/news/starting-pitcher-trade-rumors-bauer-bumgarner

    Scherzer makes the list. No Grienke.

     

    Cleveland will be an interesting team to watch. Two dominant pitchers on the DL... That may end their season, but I could see them simply unloading expiring contracts and making another run in 2021. The right answer may be to just tear it down. They could get a kings ransom for Kluber and Cleavinger this offseason. It would certainly speed things up for them. Though I'm not liking the idea of playing in the central with all 4 teams effectively tanking. I don't see Chicago taking that many leaps forward to make things competitive for 2021.

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    I would take anyone on that list... Except Boyd from the Tigers. I don't trust Gardy or Rick fixed him.

     

    Some guys succeed despite of them... there was this guy named Santana that was pretty good for the Twins...

     

    That said, I had a chance to run over the list. Scherzer is an obvious yes if he can be had. Syndergaard isn't doing well at all this year. I'm not sure that's what you want to target. I'm iffy on MadBum too. He's been injured for significant parts of the last 2 seasons and certainly doesn't look (as of now) like the MadBum of old. Could that change? Sure. But I'd rather them pick up someone who is pitching well now other than hoping he turns it around. Yes, I know that costs more, but I don't care. I want a difference maker. 

     

    The rest of the guys I'd target, including Boyd. Boyd is an interesting one though. He was never a big named prospect, so there's no pedigree. All of his peripherals have made massive moves in the right direction this season. I'm not sure I'd use the term ace just yet to describe it... I'd like to see an encore season before using that term, but there's no question he's an upgrade right now. Here's an interesting piece on him. It was written April 3rd, so all I can really say is that he's sustained it. 

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    Our offense is on fire but our pitching is also great right now. The offense will slow down- especially when we reach the post-season. However, you can never have enough pitching. I don't believe in Gonsalves and think he should be our biggest chip for Will Smith or Doolittle (whom we need). Then we have to be careful that we don't lose both Gibby and Odorizzi though neither is a #1. I'm not sold on Gordon either but some guys who are hot now (like Arraez) may not sustain it. What bothers me is that Rochester has no pitcher ready for the majors and, after seeing them last weekend, they do not look very good. At least the next few months will be interesting.

     

    I'm really not worried about that in the short term. We cannot trade for someone and stash Pineda in Rochester.  It's an issue if multiple pitchers go down for extended periods of time, but not so much otherwise.

     

    Granted, the depth has been hurt there. Wells is having TJS. Gonsalves has been hurt all season and currently has forearm issues (which is often a precursor to TJS).

     

    Thorpe, Littell, and Stewart are fine. Stewart can hold his own here. Yeah, I'm not starting him in a playoff game, but he's kept us in games, which is what you want from your AAA depth. I still think Thorpe could surprise by year end, and I'm somewhat curious if this Littell to the pen thing is permanent. Graterol is a wild card too. He's hurt at the moment, but he's another one that could be added if needs be since he has to be added this offseason. Once we hit August timeframe, that one is much more likely.

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    Lewis, Kirilloff and Graterol still have a lot to prove. Lewis and Kirilloff have not shown that they dominate AA. Graterol has just.200 minor league innings in a career starting in 2015. Anyone of them should be available for a pitcher at the top of the rotation.

     

    Completely agree, though that's not to say I think they should be actively looking to trade them. However, if Washington - just as a made-up example - were willing to give up Strasburg for one of the three plus a mid-tier prospect, wouldn't that be pretty appealing? Or even one of them straight up for Scherzer (or some real reckless speculation here: Strasburg and Scherzer for 2 of the 3, plus 2-3 mid-tier prospects). Our lineup backing up Scherzer/Strasburg, Berrios, Perez in a short playoff series inspires a lot more confidence than Berrios, Perez, Gibson/Odo. 

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    Completely agree, though that's not to say I think they should be actively looking to trade them. However, if Washington - just as a made-up example - were willing to give up Strasburg for one of the three plus a mid-tier prospect, wouldn't that be pretty appealing? Or even one of them straight up for Scherzer (or some real reckless speculation here: Strasburg and Scherzer for 2 of the 3, plus 2-3 mid-tier prospects). Our lineup backing up Scherzer/Strasburg, Berrios, Perez in a short playoff series inspires a lot more confidence than Berrios, Perez, Gibson/Odo.

    The Pohlad's aren't authorizing a $189 million payroll, which is what adding Scherzer AND Strasburg would bring us to.

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    Completely agree, though that's not to say I think they should be actively looking to trade them. However, if Washington - just as a made-up example - were willing to give up Strasburg for one of the three plus a mid-tier prospect, wouldn't that be pretty appealing? Or even one of them straight up for Scherzer (or some real reckless speculation here: Strasburg and Scherzer for 2 of the 3, plus 2-3 mid-tier prospects). Our lineup backing up Scherzer/Strasburg, Berrios, Perez in a short playoff series inspires a lot more confidence than Berrios, Perez, Gibson/Odo. 

     

    I don't see Washington trading either... They are having a bad year, but I think they are more likely to get rid of expiring contracts... But let's say one is on the market, yeah, we're sending one of the top 3 their way. No way around that. I guess the question is who.

     

    I'd side with sending Kirilloff away personally, though I wouldn't lose sleep over Lewis or Graterol. My preference though would be to keep them. If I were to create an untouchables list, it would probably be starting pitching candidates such as Blazovich or Graterol… Flip side on Graterol though is that he's always hurt, so perhaps he's the guy to send packing. I'm a bit leery of pitchers who have great upside but cannot stay healthy. 

     

    The nice thing about the way this team is composed is that I don't think they will need to raid the farm system to strengthen themselves for the playoffs. They can sign Kimbrel if they think he can contribute (and I've got to think he'd be interested in coming here right now too). That's just cash. I think they should pick up one more reliever via trade. Will Smith or someone like that would certainly work. He won't come cheap, but he won't cost one of the top prospects. 

     

    I do think that some of our AAA pitching gets sent away. I'm fine with that too. None of them are going to be top pieces in a trade, but we have too many and they are still useful as 2nd/3rd pieces. Plus, a tanking team can develop a guy like that in the majors and potentially flip him for prospects in a few years even if he turns out to be mediocre. 

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    Every time I read people say so and so is untouchable,I look at Romero's numbers this year..... And wonder why anyone thinks anyone is untouchable....

    Every time I read people say we should go out and acquire a controllable ace, I look at Syndergaard's numbers this year..... And wonder why anyone thinks anyone is a sure thing.... :)

     

    I don't have the numbers, but perhaps prospects do flame out in greater numbers than established veterans suddenly fizzle - and then either one bounce back. But that's why you have bundle more than one of the good youngsters to get the good veteran. There just aren't any sure paths to acquiring the top-end talent we all want.

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    I have questions about Bumgardner. In a trade or in free agency we would be paying the price for the Bumgardner that was the world series MVP, which is to say it will cost a lot. He currently carries a mid 4 ERA in the national league and doesn't seem to be getting past the 6th inning. Has he just been pitching in bad luck or has age started to take its toll? 

     

    Few other things against Madbum, i would expect most of his starts this year are not against teams with a DH and he would be happy on a contender to try to turn it into a huge contract this offseason but being here would limit him being able to hit.
     

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    The Pohlad's aren't authorizing a $189 million payroll, which is what adding Scherzer AND Strasburg would bring us to.

     

    Yeah, you're likely right. Though, to be fair, due to pro-ration it would be a lot less. Additionally, I'm guessing Strasburg opts out this offseason, so the future allotment would also be a lot less. With that being said, it was just a pie-in-the-sky thought...

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    Every time I read people say so and so is untouchable,I look at Romero's numbers this year..... And wonder why anyone thinks anyone is untouchable....

    Agreed. I would say Graterol / Balazovic are off limits. Everyone else is in play including Lewis

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    Yeah, you're likely right. Though, to be fair, due to pro-ration it would be a lot less. Additionally, I'm guessing Strasburg opts out this offseason, so the future allotment would also be a lot less. With that being said, it was just a pie-in-the-sky thought...

    Pro-ration would only matter for 2019 -- although even just a half-season of those two pitchers would add $35 mil to our 2019 payroll, putting us up around $155 mil. 

     

    Strasburg and Scherzer are due a combined $61 mil AAV over the next 2.5-4.5 years. If Strasburg didn't opt out, we'd either have to slash significant payroll elsewhere or we'd be up over $180 mil for 2020. Even without Strasburg, Scherzer would push it to $155 mil.

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    If you trade for an ace that is being paid ace like money you better be sure he will continue to be an ace.

    Ace money in average annual value, sure. But if you're trading for a guy, you're getting a significant discount in terms of years -- aces on the open market get 6-7 year guarantees, as opposed to the 2.5 years remaining on Greinke's deal.

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    Ace money in average annual value, sure. But if you're trading for a guy, you're getting a significant discount in terms of years -- aces on the open market get 6-7 year guarantees, as opposed to the 2.5 years remaining on Greinke's deal.

     

    True.  It's also true that historically SPs receiving those contracts have performed much better the 1st 3 years than the last three years. The Verlanders of the world are in the minority. Sherzer's contract is also heavily back end weighted. There is no way the Twins are taking on this year and two more at an AAV of $42M, especially given he is already 34 y/o.

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    True. It's also true that historically SPs receiving those contracts have performed much better the 1st 3 years than the last three years.

    Sure, although the context of my post was that a 2.5 year contract isn't really "paying for an ace" as compared to the FA market. So we don't necessarily need to receive ace performance, or equal performance to the last 3 years, to make taking on the remaining 2.5 year deal worthwhile. The Astros didn't need Verlander to be an ace to justify their cost, for example.

     

    Although I'd guess the year 4-6 forecast is a bit better for guys that have been great over years 1-3.

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    Sherzer's contract is also heavily back end weighted. There is no way the Twins are taking on this year and two more at an AAV of $42M, especially given he is already 34 y/o.

    It's a little backloaded, but the salary figure is only $35 mil AAV for 2019-2021. (The Nationals are responsible for any future signing bonus payments.)

     

    With deferrals, the present day value might even be about 10% lower. (MLB valued the original $210 mil deal at $191 mil for luxury tax purposes.)

     

    https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/national-league/washington-nationals/

     

    Still a lot of money, but worth it to a number of clubs (including Washington, which is why I wouldn't expect him to be traded).

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