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    Nick Nelson

    For weeks, the Minnesota Twins and Los Angeles Dodgers have been in an apparent stalemate regarding a Brian Dozier trade.

    What's keeping these talks from reaching fruition?

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    Over the past month or so, we've seen reports from numerous outlets suggesting that the Dodgers are making prospect Jose De Leon available as the main piece in a potential deal, and that the two sides are in disagreement over what would come packaged alongside the right-hander.

    The latest tidbit, a Thursday tweet from USA TODAY baseball scribe Bob Nightingale, affirms (unsurprisingly) that Los Angeles remains "heavy favorites" for Dozier but adds that the "Twins continue to insist they need more than Jose De Leon to move him."

    https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/817063331202678785

    Now, what Nightingale is probably saying is that the Twins are demanding at least one more top-tier prospect in addition to De Leon. But if we take the words at face value, there is an implication that the Dodgers are offering nothing beyond the 24-year-old. Nothing of note, anyway.

    And that... well, that'd be a bit ridiculous.

    Let's turn the clock back to the 2016 trade deadline. Seeking to bulk up for the stretch run, the Dodgers swung a deal with the Oakland Athletics to acquire starter Rich Hill along with outfielder Josh Reddick. In exchange, LA gave up three of its top pitching prospects: Grant Holmes, Frankie Montas and Jharel Cotton.

    Both Hill and Reddick became free agents at year's end, so in that instance, the Dodgers were willing to give up three coveted young arms for a pair of short-term rentals. Granted, no one among the aforementioned trio can quite measure up to De Leon, but they were pretty damn good prospects. And here we're talking about Dozier, an elite power hitting middle infielder in his prime with two full years of control remaining.

    With that context in mind, plus the return that the White Sox recently received when trading Adam Eaton to the Nationals a month ago, the Twins would be crazy to give up Dozier for one unproven player. Being that Derek Falvey and Thad Levine are both essentially newbies on the job, the last thing they want to do is get swindled when dealing away the team's best player.

    So, the reluctance to pull the trigger makes sense, in light of these facts. But time is running out.

    For Dozier, this has undoubtedly been an agonizing couple of months. He's not ignorant to the business of baseball, but hanging in a state of complete limbo as he is can't be fun. An article from Mike Berardino in the Pioneer Press earlier this week quoted a source as saying that a final decision would be coming soon "out of respect" for the veteran infielder.

    But what does that really mean? If another week passes and the Dodgers still haven't budged, Falvey and Levine say "OK, no deal" and that's that? Even if LA comes back at the end of the month – after futilely scouring for another decent option at second – and offers to meet the previous demands, the Twins are going to say no?

    It's a murky situation, to be sure. Signs still point to a trade being announced quite soon but with each passing day, the chances of Dozier remaining in Minnesota get a little bit better.

    I'm not sure how I would feel about that. I've been a vocal proponent of trading Dozier for De Leon since before the season ended. But if the Dodgers are truly set on low-balling the Twins for a premier player – and that would be inexplicable because LA truly needs Dozier – then I could hardly fault the new regime for standing pat.

    One way or another, it sounds like we'll have an answer within a few days.

    As we continue to play the waiting game, here are some diversions to keep you busy (and educated):

    • Whenever any significant news relating to this situation emerges, you can bet it will posted to the Dozier Trade Discussion thread in our forum. There are currently 73 pages of conversation, but skip to the end for the newest submissions.

    • Last month I wrote an in-depth profile on De Leon, who is all but certain to headline any eventual package. As you will see, there is much to like about the Puerto Rican strikeout machine.

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    The Twins have a very good player in Dozier and a straight up trade for De Leon would be insane.   The new management would be best suited to keep him if the Dodgers do not want to give equal value.   While I agree they would be better off trading Dozier if they could get a good return they are in good position either way because they are not desperate to have to sell low.

     

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    It seems to me that the Dodgers are pretty set on not trading to many minor league assets beyond DeLeon to improve their offense against LH pitching. I could see them soon shifting back to a trade for Braun which they match up very well with and filling their hole at 2B with a smaller move.

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      On 1/7/2017 at 5:59 AM, AlwaysinModeration said:

    Umm, Chicken, didn't we go over that?

    Umm, Always, read that again?

    The girl...it is Terry Ryan's granddaughter.  Falvey's way of keeping a link to the past.

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      On 1/6/2017 at 3:36 PM, Riverbrian said:
    The Braves added 28 million in Starting Pitching this off season and they were rumored to be having serious discussion about acquiring Chris Sale. I think the Braves may think they are closer to competitive than others do. 

     

    I understand that Colon and Dickey were one year contracts but they could have tossed Wisler and Blair into the rotation. 

     

    The offense would certainly look more formidable if they acquired Dozier and... how about Todd Frazier as well.

     

     

     

     

     

    The Braves also are moving into a brand new stadium this year, have to show a better product then what they had last year.

     

    I just have a hard time believing this trade rumor of Dodgers and Braves interested in Dozier. The only guy that initially reported it was I believe Jeff Passon. Since then, everybody took off with the story, saying "multiple sources". Seems its being cooked up for winter hot stove discussions.

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      On 1/7/2017 at 10:34 PM, Nick Nelson said:

    Over the past four years, Dozier leads all middle infielders in home runs by double digits. What's wrong with that description? 

     

    It's a little early to tag him as "elite".

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      On 1/7/2017 at 10:34 PM, Nick Nelson said:

    Over the past four years, Dozier leads all middle infielders in home runs by double digits. What's wrong with that description? 

    That lead exists because of 1 year -- last year --- when he hit 20 more home runs than usual. 

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      On 1/7/2017 at 11:44 PM, Riverbrian said:

    If you are going to remove Dozier's 2016... you gotta remove everybody else as well... To be fair.

     

    Dozier led middle infielders in home runs if you take 2016 away and just use from 2013 to 2015.

    Yep. It's not as if Dozier suddenly developed power last season. He was already at the top of the class when he was hitting a measly 28 home runs a season.
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      On 1/7/2017 at 11:25 PM, ashburyjohn said:

    So, a sentence construction begging to be misconstrued. :)

     

    Here we go; this.

     

    Certainly not worth arguing over. I read it as an elite, power hitting middle infielder. 

     

    Again, no matter what, I just don't think he's earned the term "elite". Lead a team to something that matters and then I'll call you elite.

     

     

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      On 1/8/2017 at 12:32 AM, jctwins said:

    Here we go; this.

     

    Certainly not worth arguing over. I read it as an elite, power hitting middle infielder. 

     

    Again, no matter what, I just don't think he's earned the term "elite". Lead a team to something that matters and then I'll call you elite.

    Soooo ... it's somehow Dozier's fault the team has had rotten pitching his entire tenure? If he gets traded to the Dodgers and they win a World Series, then he'll be elite?

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      On 1/8/2017 at 12:32 AM, jctwins said:

    Here we go; this.

     

    Certainly not worth arguing over. I read it as an elite, power hitting middle infielder.

     

    Again, no matter what, I just don't think he's earned the term "elite". Lead a team to something that matters and then I'll call you elite.

    FTR, I don't believe Dozier is an elite player either but he has an elite skill.
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      On 1/8/2017 at 12:32 AM, jctwins said:

    Here we go; this.

     

    Certainly not worth arguing over. I read it as an elite, power hitting middle infielder. 

     

    Again, no matter what, I just don't think he's earned the term "elite". Lead a team to something that matters and then I'll call you elite.

     

    So, Mike Trout, not elite?

     

    Just curious where we draw the lines of definition here.

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      On 1/7/2017 at 2:20 PM, Trueblue222 said:

    It seems to me that the Dodgers are pretty set on not trading to many minor league assets beyond DeLeon to improve their offense against LH pitching. I could see them soon shifting back to a trade for Braun which they match up very well with and filling their hole at 2B with a smaller move.

    Ryan Braun? The guy who is owed $80 million over the next 4 years?

    Well, of the teams that can afford it, your team is certainly one.

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      On 1/8/2017 at 3:49 PM, Doomtints said:

    But not by double digits.

    "Dozier led middle infielders in home runs in the period 2013 to 2015, and extended that lead to double digits over four years with his 2016 production."

     

    Falr?

     

    Why are we arguing about this? There isn't any controversy that home run power is the reason Dozier is a trade chip at all. There was a little mixup only when the word "elite" was applied, as to whether it meant the player as a whole, or just his home run power among second basemen.

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      On 1/8/2017 at 5:27 PM, ashburyjohn said:

    "Dozier led middle infielders in home runs in the period 2013 to 2015, and extended that lead to double digits over four years with his 2016 production."

     

    Falr?

     

    Why are we arguing about this? There isn't any controversy that home run power is the reason Dozier is a trade chip at all. There was a little mixup only when the word "elite" was applied, as to whether it meant the player as a whole, or just his home run power among second basemen.

     

    The original statement was, "Dozier leads others at his by position by double digits at HR." My response was, "But that double digit lead is only due to one year of unusual production." After that we went a circular route back to my original statement due to someone misinterpreting my point. So why are we arguing? I have no idea.

     

    The point is, his HR lead is not head and shoulders above his comps due to being a future HOFer. The big lead is due to his career year. This is worth pointing out. The distinction here is huge.

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      On 1/8/2017 at 6:00 PM, Doomtints said:

    The original statement was, "Dozier leads others at his by position by double digits at HR." My response was, "But that double digit lead is only due to one year of unusual production." After that we went a circular route back to my original statement due to someone misinterpreting my point. So why are we arguing? I have no idea.

     

    The point is, his HR lead is not head and shoulders above his comps due to being a future HOFer. The big lead is due to his career year. This is worth pointing out. The distinction here is huge.

    With all due respect...you don't have a point.

     

    If you are taking out Dozier's best year, then take out his competition's best year as well.

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