Twins to Retire Jim Kaat’s Number

That’s a tough one.  Frankly, I think the Twins retire too many numbers.  Kirby and Harmon are obvious. Tony and Joe are worthy.   However, Rodney played much of his career elsewhere (like Kaat) and TK was a manager.  Kent HrBek is the most questionable choice.    Sorry to be such a negative guy here.  Don’t get me started on lowering flags to half staff too much or I’ll be a complete pariah. 

I may be in the minority, but what took so long?

If this game actually takes place, I might consider attending.

I always thought it would be cool if the Twins had their own Hall of Fame (like they do), put those numbers up around the stadium (they do), but did not retire the numbers. Maybe then fans could watch player X wearing #6 and patrolling the outfield at Target Field and trying to live up to the number. Nothing real against #82, but I can't relate to that number. I also think former players would like to see someone doing their number proud.

Always loved Jim Kaat and very happy for him. Joe Nathan sure did the #36 proud playing for the Twins though too.

1 hour ago, Seth Stohs said:

Wait... Rod Carew shouldn't have his number retired by the Twins? His best years and most of his hits came in a Twins uniform. He's the all-time leader in WAR for all Twins players in 60+ seasons. Jim Kaat spent like 12-13 seasons with the Twins (and a few with the Senators). 

I struggled with Carew.   Frankly, I didn’t want to be accused of a double-standard when I used the “other teams” criteria against Kaat.  I’ll admit it’s hard not to retire Carew’s number, but it’s hard to see all the players who had their numbers retired by more than one team (I like Hank Aaron but the Brewers retired his number - really???)

8 minutes ago, strumdatjag said:

(I like Hank Aaron but the Brewers retired his number - really???)

Aaron played his first dozen years in Milwaukee and was a beloved player for baseball fans in the Midwest, especially Wisconsin and Milwaukee. This is the obvious explanation but I get your point. The Braves may have moved to Atlanta but Milwaukee never left Aaron.

Nothing against ANY of the number retirements. Hrbek was the local boy who did really good. Baseball Hall of Fame numbers? Sadly not close, but a strong presence for the Twins as a player and a Minnesotan. He is one of the top players in our history, as was Jim Kaat, who overshadowed ALL of his fellow pitchers in that same time frame as A MAN of the organization.

Others have been given legacy in the Twins Hall of Fame. Kaat is deserving of a number retiring. As is Hrbek, Carew and everyone else.

Long overdue, and well deserved honor. And a smidgen of happy news ? today

I am in the camp that says why did it take so long.  He was a Twin for 15 years as wsnydes noted and he excelled not only as a player but an announcer on the national scene.  He was the best fielding pitcher I ever saw.  Plus, he was a great pinch hitter and runner.  He was a fantastic athlete.  Are any of you old enough to remember how Halsey Hall used to love calling him "Kitty"?  I read once that his nickname was not only because of the last name but also because he was as quick as a cat coming off the mound to make a play.

Should Jim Kaat have his number 36 retired? Seriously? Well, consider…

• the fact that he was an original Minnesota Twin, part of the 25 man roster when the Twins first season commenced in 1961, and would be in the Twins organization for parts of the next 12 seasons
• that he was on the mound to pitch the complete game victory in 1965 that clinched the team’s first League pennant.
• that he would have been the team’s first  Cy Young award winner in 1966 with a 25 wins, but the retiring Sandy Koufax was the sole pick, as only one pitcher in both league was honored back then
• that he is among a small fraternity of players who have been active in 4 decades - beginning with the 1959 Washington Senators, and ending with the 1983 Cardinals. He pitched against both Ted Williams and Darryl Strawberry
• that his great durability and character, the huge number of innings pitched yearly, besides his well-publicized 16 Gold Glove Awards, etc, and stellar broadcasting career both locally and nationally…

…make him a beyond-worthy choice to have his uniform number retired. So, I could really care less if he pitched another 20 years in Japan or on Pluto, the guy’s got an incredible story and legacy. And he should be on the Wall.

I won’t complain much.  Kaat’s a stand-up guy with good numbers as a Twin.   He was also the best color guy on the tube ever.     I still think the Twins retire too many numbers. Fun to be the villain and I’m not even trolling. 

11 hours ago, strumdatjag said:

That’s a tough one.  Frankly, I think the Twins retire too many numbers.  Kirby and Harmon are obvious. Tony and Joe are worthy.   However, Rodney played much of his career elsewhere (like Kaat) and TK was a manager.  Kent HrBek is the most questionable choice.    Sorry to be such a negative guy here.  Don’t get me started on lowering flags to half staff too much or I’ll be a complete pariah. 

Carew won SEVEN batting titles as a Twin.  I think we can let him slide.

Why not?  I see no controversy.  Good players and good people need to be made examples.  New fans look at those numbers and wonder who they are which leads to baseball history and that is essential to the fullest pleasure the game can give.  Congratulations Kaat - like others I wonder why it took so long. 

Let’s look at the slippery slope created by retiring Jim Kaat’s number.    Does that mean that the Twins are now expected to retire Bert Blyleven’s number?   Kaat and Bert are both borderline Hall of Fane pitchers who spent a large number of years with the Twins (often in years where they were not the number one starter), and then continued to serve the organization as a color guy on TV.  On top of that, Bert helped the Twins win a World Series.  Then what about Johan Santana, Brad Radke’ …

Bert’s 28 is retired, judging by the illustration I see above on Twitter, so that horse has left the barn.   There is something to be said for retiring numbers of Cooperstown Hall of Famers who go in as Twins and played honorably there for a long time.   Others (like Hrbek) can be debated.   

(If you told me in mid-1976 that Bert’s number would be retired by the Twins, I would never have believed it.   It’s great that life is funny and unpredictable at times.)

Didn’t know that great fact that Kitty would have won the Cy Young in 1966 had it not been for the retiring Sandy Koufax (I didn’t become a fan until 1967).  

Kitty is the winngest  lefthanded pitcher in twins history ,,,, 

He was fun to watch weathercit was pitching or hitting ,,,

Not many pitchers can win a game with its arm and bat ,,  kitty could... 

End of story you youngsters,  kitty was a hall of fame caliber pitcher ....

What took so long 

In my humble opinion, Blyleven and Kaat were never "borderline" HOF'ers.  Had Bert pitched for the Yankees his career stats would have seen him elected YEARS ago.  Kaat, at minimum, should have had the Twins retire his number YEARS ago.  As was mentioned, in 1966 there was only one Cy Young Award winner for BOTH Leagues.  Koufax was "otherworldly" in his final big league season.  Look up the stats.  If the A.L. had named a CY Young winner as well, Kaat would have easily won.  Plus, add on SIXTEEN (16 !!!) Gold Gloves and with 283 career wins he EARNED his ticket to Cooperstown.  But yes, the TWINS should have put him in THEIR Hall of Fame YEARS ago.  What I'm NOT sure of is this:  When Joe Nathan is inducted into the Twins HOF, will we put up TWO #36's ???  

On 1/12/2022 at 1:06 PM, Nashvilletwin said:

I may be in the minority, but what took so long?

Same as Blyleven, it seems. They didn’t think either deserved it until they got into the MLB HOF. 

On 1/13/2022 at 12:42 AM, dxpavelka said:

On 1/12/2022 at 1:14 PM, strumdatjag said:

 

Carew won SEVEN batting titles as a Twin.  I think we can let him slide.

And speaking of sliding, he did a lot of that too...like into the plate when he was stealing home. 7 TIMES in one season...sheesh!

I was actually going to amend my quote to include that.  Well played.

On 1/15/2022 at 12:42 PM, TopGunn#22 said:

In my humble opinion, Blyleven and Kaat were never "borderline" HOF'ers.  Had Bert pitched for the Yankees his career stats would have seen him elected YEARS ago.  Kaat, at minimum, should have had the Twins retire his number YEARS ago.  As was mentioned, in 1966 there was only one Cy Young Award winner for BOTH Leagues.  Koufax was "otherworldly" in his final big league season.  Look up the stats.  If the A.L. had named a CY Young winner as well, Kaat would have easily won.  Plus, add on SIXTEEN (16 !!!) Gold Gloves and with 283 career wins he EARNED his ticket to Cooperstown.  But yes, the TWINS should have put him in THEIR Hall of Fame YEARS ago.  What I'm NOT sure of is this:  When Joe Nathan is inducted into the Twins HOF, will we put up TWO #36's ???  

They will post a “36A” and a “36B,” I predict!