Twins 3, Guardians 1: Ryan Pitches Twins to Series Victory, Winning Homestand

Good psychology putting Ryan out there for the 6th. He and the team needed a comeback start and stretching him out to 100+ to get it done restores confidence. 

Eventually all the starters should be able to throw 100 pitches if their performance is. good enough to reach 100 pitches.

Good series win vs a Cleveland club that could well contend for division title.

Also can Byron Buxton safely play 4 out of 5 games rather than 3 out of 5?

1 hour ago, Monticore said:

Good psychology putting Ryan out there for the 6th. He and the team needed a comeback start and stretching him out to 100+ to get it done restores confidence. 

Not to mention saving the bullpen an extra inning of work.

Man the bullpen chart looks a little busy. Maybe they bring someone up from AAA for the Oakland series?

It's really wonderful to watch a starting pitcher carry the team into the last three innings. It's the way it's supposed to be for all of us who have grown up with baseball from the '50s and 60s and 70s and 80s and beyond. I, like one of the other posters said, can't we let Buxton play more often. Sitting him on the bench isn't saving him from injury. He's going to get injured at some point no matter how many times he sits on the bench and does nothing. I just fear he'll fall off the bench from boredom and then what do we do. Call up somebody to sit on the bench with his number on?

A few observations, along with upcoming roster questions after a WINNING (5-4) homestand:

1.  Considering how horrible our hitters performed with RISP over the last 9 games (12-65 for a .185 avg), winning this homestand is something to feel good about.

Winning 3 of those 5 games while scoring 3 or less runs is a credit to our rotation, but namely our improving bullpen.

2.  Not sure how long the next homestand is, but I will bet that averaging  only 3 runs per game ( 27runs over 9 games), will NOT result in a winning record.

3.  Maybe something others have mentioned, but IMO, a big reason why this team is sitting in 1st place tonight is due to its defense.  We don't win the game today without those 2 excellent plays by Urshela!  

Not sure how this compares with other teams, but over this homestand, our defense committed only 5 errors.  Total of only 1 error in sweep vs. OAK and only 2 vs. CLE---both coming in 12-8 win on Friday.

Moving on with upcoming roster issues:

1.  As much as I love Miranda and believe he's a big part of our future-----how long can his sub . 120 avg and sub. 400 OPS be ignored?  He needs a re-set at SP.

2.  When is Larnach expected back from IL?  Would strongly prefer to see him in LF on a daily basis so Gordon can go back to super utility role.

3.  How much longer does Contreras last on active roster?  He hasn't got really any opportunity to this point.

4. Is it accurate that Ober is projected to be activated this week?  If so, what happens with Smeltzer? Cotton?  I'd prefer to keep Smeltzer as 2nd LH bullpen option or in long relief role.

5.  How much longer does mgmt stick with Archer in rotation?  His barely 4+ IP starts are putting much pressure on BP.

I'll grant Gio Urshela this - He's making a good case to keep him around, even after Correa gets back. Then the question becomes, what to do with Royce Lewis? Can the Twins really send down a player this obviously good, or do they find a place for him, like 1B while Miranda goes across the river for a bit more seasoning? New euphemism...across the river = down to the AAA Saints.

Maybe Miranda to the Saints, Lewis to 1B is the solution, for now. 

Pagán maintained and even improved his command on day 3 of three in a row. Encouraging to see today. A bullpen arm that can go three days in a row without drop off has value.

8 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

Garlick is meeting the team in Oakland. Someone isn’t going to be active (probably Contreras). Correa and Larnach are both on track to be activated in the coming week. Miranda and (gulp) Lewis would be the logical choices. These moves would mean nearly zero depth at first base. If Lewis stays, it would mean Celestino goes. 

Thanks for the update as I wasn't aware that Garlick was on verge of being activated. I would agree that Contreras is the likely demotion.  Now, if both Correa and Larnach are activated this week, I agree that Miranda should be demoted, but I'm in the camp of keeping Lewis on active roster. I say this for several reasons, but my main argument is why we have to remain at 14 pitchers? I'd make the argument that having 4 bench players, which may result in Lewis being in that group, is preferential.  Saying that, I'd argue that Lewis' bat, overall speed and solid defense helps this team to WIN games moreso than what Cano, Cotton and even Stashak, bring to the table.

51 minutes ago, jimbo92107 said:

I'll grant Gio Urshela this - He's making a good case to keep him around, even after Correa gets back. Then the question becomes, what to do with Royce Lewis? Can the Twins really send down a player this obviously good, or do they find a place for him, like 1B while Miranda goes across the river for a bit more seasoning? New euphemism...across the river = down to the AAA Saints.

Maybe Miranda to the Saints, Lewis to 1B is the solution, for now. 

If our lilliputian 1B Arraez can handle this position (0 career GP played at 1B before this season), then certainly a younger and more agile athlete like Lewis can play there when Correa returns.  Lewis, imo, has earned the opportunity to continue to get regular ABs.  Although its a small sample size, my "eye test" of Lewis indicates his confidence, maturity and talent show he's not only capable, but worthy of staying on the active roster. I know there's a viable argument to him getting more daily ABs leading off at SP, but with the inconsistency of this offense (3 runs scored or less in 20 of 35 games), Lewis' bat is needed now! 

Where does Lewis play and get regular AB's by staying on active roster?  Option 1- 1B-- which allows Arraez to DH or spell Urshela at 3B. Option 2:  3B- which allows Arraez to play 1B while Lewis can DH or spell Urshela at 3B.  I know those 2 options are similar, but I'm tired of seeing Jeffers or Sanchez in DH role.  I believe Arraez or Lewis are better options.  Option 3:  SS-spelling Correa for a needed day off or allowing Correa to DH. Option 4: DH; already covered, but Lewis' speed and more consistent contact rate offer more upside than the very occasional power that Jeffers or Sanchez offer.

What Lewis can do in Oakland will go a long way toward deciding the roster. Line drives > pop ups or lazy fly balls to the outfield. If Royce can stay disciplined and make consistent hard contact through the trips to Oakland and Kansas City, he should still be in the lineup for the next home stand.

Lewis will not be playing 1B. We don't want to stop his development on defense. He's got the talent but needs the reps at SS to improve after missing two years. I don't see him in the OF either for the Twins unless he first plays there for the Saints. Can you imagine the uproar if he were to play there and got seriously injured running into the fence because he hasn't played a game there in 3 years. We would have Buxton 2.0 on the injury side. When Correa returns, 3B would be the one option but Urshela would then move to 1B or DH. Since Lewis hasn't played there since 2019, our defense would we be worse as Urshela has played great D there. In the end, do you sacrifice the defensive development of our SS in 2023 and beyond in order to win in 2022 by getting Lewis bat in the Twins lineup and his speed on the bases?

I'm fully aware the following comment is "old school," but since I'm old (57) having followed this team since the early 70s, I'm still of the belief that scoring 4+ runs is a recipe for winning baseball.  I'm sure this is true for the vast majority of MLB teams for many years, but for those interested-----the 2022 Twins are 14-1 when scoring 4+ runs.  Yes, 14-1.

Saying that, turning to the "cup half empty" axiom, the Twins have played 35 games this season-----meaning they've scored 3 runs or less 20 times (57.1% of games played).  Not surprisingly their record in those 20 games is 6-14.

On the pitching side, I did find it interesting through 35 games-----that when our pitching staff allows 4 runs or less, which has happened in 25 games, the Twins record is 19-6.....760 win %.  (

My apologies to those younger fans who don't subscribe to such outdated facts.

Finally, for anyone wondering------at this point in 2021......the Twins record was 12-23.  This after a 5-2 start to the season.  With all the warts and deficiencies of this team to this point, an 8 game improvement (20-15) is significant.

Only 127 games to go.

Remain calm. All is well. (at least for today). 

Lewis wouldn't be the first SS pushed to another position by a superstar, not even the first one by Correa... 

5 hours ago, darwin22 said:

A few observations, along with upcoming roster questions after a WINNING (5-4) homestand:

1.  Considering how horrible our hitters performed with RISP over the last 9 games (12-65 for a .185 avg), winning this homestand is something to feel good about.

Winning 3 of those 5 games while scoring 3 or less runs is a credit to our rotation, but namely our improving bullpen.

2.  Not sure how long the next homestand is, but I will bet that averaging  only 3 runs per game ( 27runs over 9 games), will NOT result in a winning record.

3.  Maybe something others have mentioned, but IMO, a big reason why this team is sitting in 1st place tonight is due to its defense.  We don't win the game today without those 2 excellent plays by Urshela!  

Not sure how this compares with other teams, but over this homestand, our defense committed only 5 errors.  Total of only 1 error in sweep vs. OAK and only 2 vs. CLE---both coming in 12-8 win on Friday.

Moving on with upcoming roster issues:

1.  As much as I love Miranda and believe he's a big part of our future-----how long can his sub . 120 avg and sub. 400 OPS be ignored?  He needs a re-set at SP.

2.  When is Larnach expected back from IL?  Would strongly prefer to see him in LF on a daily basis so Gordon can go back to super utility role.

3.  How much longer does Contreras last on active roster?  He hasn't got really any opportunity to this point.

4. Is it accurate that Ober is projected to be activated this week?  If so, what happens with Smeltzer? Cotton?  I'd prefer to keep Smeltzer as 2nd LH bullpen option or in long relief role.

5.  How much longer does mgmt stick with Archer in rotation?  His barely 4+ IP starts are putting much pressure on BP.

 

1. I’m so with you that Miranda needs to be back at AAA. Needs some more time. Not too worried long-term.

2. Very excited for Larnach to be back. Should be this week. Who would’ve thought Larnach would be better than Kiriloff this pint last season?

3. Contreras should be optioned this week. Wish he would’ve gotten more of a chance. 
 

4. When Ober comes back Smeltzer will likely be optioned. 
 

5. I want Archer out of the rotation when Ober comes back. Winder should hold onto a spot and we’ll see how Bundy fares next time around. I’d rather have Smeltzer than Archer even though I’m not high on Devin. 

Good defense and no BBs by the pitching staff are extremely conducive to getting Ws. The Yankees just beat the Pale Hose 5-1 with only 2 hits, but they were the recipients of plenty of walks and wild pitches all in one inning and a two-run bomb later. Throw strikes and play good defense...I think the hitting will improve when we get a few more bodies healthy.

Based on the small pitch counts for the Twins relievers, the Indians Guardians must have been swinging early and often in the count.  This was a huge benefit to the Twins, especially with Smith and Pagan pitching three days in a row. 

What I liked best about this game is that Ryan bounced back and changed up his pitch selection.  The last two games he was walking guys and I think teams had adjusted to him not chasing pitches out of the zone.  So he pumped fastballs in the zone telling teams he will adjust if they do.  Then once he pumped a ton of fastballs in the zone, he started to mix in off-speed again.  

I agree with Justin when he said having a starter throw nothing but fastballs for like 20 pitches really messes with a hitters head.  They keep thinking when is something else coming.  It like in a multiple choice test, if each answer is the same letter, eventually you second guess your answer because no way would it always be B or whatever. 

Baseball is such a head game, and keeping hitters guessing will do that.  I think Joe was trying to get ahead too much with off-speed then pitch the fastball ahead in count, I could be wrong but just feel like that is what he was doing the previous two games.