Trade Talent Flies Off Board As Pressure Turns up on Twins

I’m not surprised the twins haven’t been able to land the big names.  Teams want major league ready controllable pitching.  Twins don’t have that at the moment with Winder hurt, Balazoic struggling, and Canterino injury prone.  Obviously we aren’t trading joe Ryan.  The twins do have major league ready hitting, but I don’t think they are trading Miranda or Lewis Teams may not be interested in Steer and Waller is off to a slow start in AAA.  The rest of the twins prospects are near, but not yet major League ready.

i a, thinking they pick up someone like Jordan Lyons for a pitcher.  My guess is they get Gallo but I don’t think they sound give up much of anything.

Yeah, as mentioned in the comment above the Twins are in a real tough place if they don't want to deal Lewis or Miranda.

I doubt the Twins land anyone noteworthy, probably a few no-name bullpen guys if anything. They really are between a rock and a hard place and I just don't see them having anything worth giving the Reds for Mahle.

And the Twins … ???

As long as we are in on guys, I'll be satisfied. 

In all seriousness this is maybe the only year I am okay with not selling the farm. This team is just not that close. 

You could make the '87 Twins chip and a chair argument, but that was a core that had grown together and had a rotation led by a Cy Young contender that could pitch three times in a seven game series and a future Hall of Famer for a second starter. 

While I am not personally holding my breath that it happens, I think you continue to let this core mature this season, get Maeda and Ober back for next season and spend some of that $36 million Correa money on pitching during the offseason. I can't see this front office shelling out for a legit pitcher, but that would be my plan. 

14 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

And the Twins … ???

That's not necessarily a bad thing, you know.

I'm frustrated.  I think the Twins could have beaten the Yankees offer for Montas and Trevino (I would have asked for Puk).

But I think Dave Overlund and others are probably more realistic than me.  Maybe what we have to offer just isn't tripping the trigger of other teams, although I think Steer and Austin Martin among others are certainly worthy pieces.  Maybe they'll come up with a deal for Mahle and get at least one bullpen arm.  Alcala is coming and I fully expect to see Maeda at some point being able to help the pen.  

I know EVERYBODY has issues with pitchers and injuries, but I can't help but think the Twins seem to have an inordinate number of injuries, especially with young pitchers.  At some point, Canterino and Balazovic just have to be able to go out there and PITCH.  

We don't have many minor league chips worth dealing right now for any number of reasons.  The FO could surprise, but methinks it's steady as she goes, ..., into third place. 

I thought we fixed our lack of top 100 guys when we  traded Berrios....

24 minutes ago, Nine of twelve said:

That's not necessarily a bad thing, you know.

It certainly isn’t a good thing, either. I’m not saying we should have thrown everything in for Montas or Castillo, but some relief help is most definitely needed if we want to be competitive into the final stretch

One reason our relievers suck. None and I mean None goe past the 5th inning. Putting a huge burden on our already ****** BULLPEN 

 

Trade for Mahle SP from Cincinnati 

53 minutes ago, dxpavelka said:

I thought we fixed our lack of top 100 guys when we  traded Berrios....

Where are the prospects we got for him?  Are they going to amount to anything?  All this talk of buying or trading for a top pitcher we when had a good one to start with.

I thought that guys like Effross or Diekman or even Will Smith could have been had without sacrificing any of our future. Maybe we will trade for Mahle if he's available. Maybe even Robertson. The only way we would get a big name starter like a Montas would have been to deplete the farm or give up Ryan. If Lewis were healthy, we might trade Correa for a package. Let's see what happens today. My wild prediction is the Yanks trade Gallo, Hicks and 2 minor leaguers plus lots of money (paying salary) for Soto or even more for Ohtani though I really don't think either would be traded. As always, today will be fun. And, like they say, sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make.

59 minutes ago, Scotts said:

One reason our relievers suck. None and I mean None goe past the 5th inning. Putting a huge burden on our already ****** BULLPEN 

 

Trade for Mahle SP from Cincinnati 

If they trade for Mahle, the Twins would get one, maybe two innings of a rest for the bullpen every fifth game.  To me, that is not worth the loss of prospects for a team that needs three starters, four relievers, a catcher, and an outfielder to actually be a serious contender.

The Vasquez trade irks me.  Twins need catching help badly and there was a one there for the taking.  They Twins didn't make the move, which scares me they aren't going to do much today.  I think the Twins are close to being very good but probably not this year.  However, a few supplements for this year and a starter that is controllable for next year is worth giving up some prospects to get into the playoffs where anything could happen.  

As much as I'd like to see some last minute hail Mary trade that gets them into the post season this year, I don't see it happening without giving up your future.  I'd be fine with sitting pat.  Maybe finding a RP or two if they don't give up too much.  Let's "plan" for next year and beyond.  Not just this season!

Mahle, Givens, and Robertson today please. Flexible on Mahle

Twins FO:  Do not bet the farm to extend the Major Sports League all-time playoff losing streak.

We ain't that good this year.

I also had the idea old friend Robbie Grossman would have been a nice little cheap pickup. 

Having a terrible season, but still controls the zone and isn't far away from above average offensive seasons.

We started Contreras and Gordon against a LHer last night, for Pete's sake. We put Kirilloff in the OF but had to substitute him out before an AB. What the heck??

Vazquez, Diekman, and Quintana also seem like very reasonable, very doable deals that would've absolutely helped this team.

Not to mention the Montas/Trivino deal. 

I couldn't be more disappointed in this FO right now.

 

3 hours ago, bighat said:

Yeah, as mentioned in the comment above the Twins are in a real tough place if they don't want to deal Lewis or Miranda.

I doubt the Twins land anyone noteworthy, probably a few no-name bullpen guys if anything. They really are between a rock and a hard place and I just don't see them having anything worth giving the Reds for Mahle.

A couple of no name relievers would probably be enough to win the division IMO. At this point I think that's probably the best we can hope for.

Think if Wolves new ownership had purchased the Twins. We would have had an Ace and a Closer by now!  Because the word "WINNING" is in their vocabulary! Instead we do nothing and have a Manager who says he is "Content" with what he has! Rocco is the perfect "Puppet" Manager for the Pohlads!! Seattle got Castillo for almost nothing. Yankees gave up prospects and got quality pitchers. As long as Twins turn a Profit in the Taxpayer provided stadium winning will never be a priority!

We got our man - Lopez to the Twins for Povich and Cano.

Padres need to clear some salary to help acquire Soto.

We could help by taking Snell off their hands for nothing but salary relief.

I think the Twins should target Anthony Bass as another reliever, also get Mahle and probably another starter, then likely some buy-low placeholder OFs and an ok catcher

Bass has gone to Toronto.

Padres don't know how to deal with their pitchers, T Rogers, Twins have discovered that they can't pitch him back to back. Padres didn't pitch him correctly, therefore Rogers exelled then crashed! I feel sorry for him. Brewers knows him and Rogers will do well w/ him.

NYY stole Montas much like SD stole Musgrove last year. Musgrove was offer to the Twins but failed to give a counter offer. I feel that FO dropped the ball also with Montas.

HOU made some creative trades that worked well for them. They picked up (c) Vazquez from BOS to filled that offense hole at that position. A trade that Twins could have easily made if they did their homework.

Twins has filled their biggest hole with closer Lopez, they still need to close on a front-line SP, catcher upgrade and a long relief pitcher to replace all those who have been injured due to being over extended at SP.

10 hours ago, MABB1959 said:

Where are the prospects we got for him?  Are they going to amount to anything?  All this talk of buying or trading for a top pitcher we when had a good one to start with.

Totally agree.  Said the day we traded him that we'd find ourselves looking for what we just moved. We got two AA guys for him who remain AA guys to this day.  Maybe they'll eventually pan out.  Also a pretty good chance that Berrios will return to form as well.  We could have had him and Buxton for half what the Padres will end up giving Juan Soto.

Fairly impressed with how they did in spite of all the pressure and the talent that had previously flown off the board.

18 hours ago, dxpavelka said:

Totally agree.  Said the day we traded him that we'd find ourselves looking for what we just moved. We got two AA guys for him who remain AA guys to this day.  Maybe they'll eventually pan out.  Also a pretty good chance that Berrios will return to form as well.  We could have had him and Buxton for half what the Padres will end up giving Juan Soto.

I am going to GUESS that Berrios did not want to spend his prime years here which could also have been a barrier the Twins could not overcome.  Players/AllStars at the top if their game most likely don't want to waste their time on a team that will not go all out.  Thinking Sano is hoping to get DFA'd so he can get out too.

6 hours ago, MABB1959 said:

I am going to GUESS that Berrios did not want to spend his prime years here which could also have been a barrier the Twins could not overcome.  Players/AllStars at the top if their game most likely don't want to waste their time on a team that will not go all out.  Thinking Sano is hoping to get DFA'd so he can get out too.

Had they offered him the contract he signed in Toronto I have no reason he would not have signed it here.