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  • The Twins Worst Trades: Wilson Ramos


    Cody Christie

    Matt Capps for Wilson Ramos is a trade that will live in infamy for many fans. Did the Twins have reasons for trading away the future All-Star?

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    Flags fly forever or so the saying goes. During the 2010 season, the Twins had a roster that seemed built for October success. Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau were in the middle of a powerful line-up that helped to open Target Field with a bang. One of the team’s biggest weaknesses was the bullpen and this meant Terry Ryan went shopping at the deadline to look for a “proven closer.”

    Minnesota’s bullpen wasn’t completely inept during the season’s first half as players like Matt Guerrier, Jesse Crain, and Jose Mijares fit into their designated roles. Jon Rauch was given the opportunity to be the team’s primary closer. Prior to the trade deadline, Rauch posted a 3.05 ERA as opponents hit .283/.321/.395 against him in 37 games. He was doing the job, but more bullpen depth seemed like it would bolster the team for the stretch run.

    Matt Capps served as Pittsburgh’s closer for parts of three seasons before being non-tendered and eventually signing with the Washington Nationals. During the first half of 2010, he’d make his first All-Star team as he had a 2.74 ERA with a 1.30 WHIP in 46 innings. His ERA was strong, but he gave up a lot of contact and didn’t strike out many batters (under 7.0 K/9 for his career) which can be cause for concern from a reliever.

    From the Twins perspective, they were acquiring a reliever with control over the next season and a half and their competitive window seemed to be open. He was worth 0.9 WAR during his Twins tenure, but it was more about what the Twins gave up acquiring that slight bullpen boost. To make matters worse, Minnesota doubled down on Capps and signed him to an extension. When that contract ended, he wouldn’t pitch in the big leagues again.

    Wilson Ramos and Joe Testa were the two players sent to Washington for the rights to Capps. Ramos was a consensus top-65 prospect in all of baseball entering the 2010 season. Before being traded, he also had an impressive big-league debut as he collected seven hits in his first two games. That being said, Minnesota had just signed Joe Mauer to the richest contract in team history and it seemed like he was going to be behind the plate for the foreseeable future. This might have made Ramos more expendable to the team.

    During his Washington tenure, Ramos turned into a solid piece of their big-league roster. He’d finish fourth in the NL Rookie of the Year voting after hitting .267/.334/.445 with 38 extra-base hits in 113 games. His final season in Washington was his best as he posted an .850 OPS with 22 home runs and 25 doubles on the way to winning the Silver Slugger award and being selected to his first All-Star Game. In total, he produced 10.5 WAR in his seven seasons of team control that the Twins let go for under 100 innings of Capps.

    It’s clear why Washington wanted to make this trade as Ramos became their primary catcher for most of a decade. For the Twins, Mauer was still the team’s primary catcher for the next three seasons before being forced to move to first base. Even considering this, it doesn’t seem like the Twins were able to maximize the value of one of baseball’s top catching prospects.

    Capps was very good in 2010 and there’s no question that he helped the Twins solidify their bullpen. There was no way the team knew what would happen in the playoffs. Minnesota is often criticized for not going for it and hanging on to their prospects when they have a chance to make a deeper playoff run. This was a time when the front office decided to go against this traditional mantra and the results speak for themselves.

    What are your thoughts after looking back at this trade? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion.

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    Was this a Terry Ryan move? I thought it was Bill Smith.

     

    I saw Capps implode against the Brewers at Target Field. Completely ruined my summer.

     

    Some trades are only bad in retrospect, but this one was a head scratcher from day one. They traded a blue chip prospect for Matt Capps. And it wasn't that was necessarily bad, he was just very average.

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    Yup, this was Bill Smith. I hated it at the time... and I still don't think it was good. That said, Capps was really good for the Twins that year. They may not have been a playoff team without him. Ramos had some good years, but he fought injuries too. There were certainly some question marks at the time. 

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    I agree with everyone. It was a terrible trade. Ramos was a very capable back up to Mauer. I can understand the idea behind the trade but the content is unbelievably imbalanced,they could have done much better.

    Trades like this helps to see why they are gun shy about going after big name relievers.

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    Mayer was set to catcher for years. The Twins were correct to get something for Ramos. Capps just ended out being the wrong guy in retrospect.

     

    Yup - the reports that Ramos was supposed to be the centerpiece to get a prime Cliff Lee from Seattle are the real stinger in this deal. Instead of pivoting to another frontline starter (or standing pat if there wasn't a fit anywhere else) it felt like the team made a knee-jerk reaction to get something done at an important deadline.

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    just I was not happy with this trade at the time, mostly because I wasn't a huge Capps fan (he did really well that first year) and more over I was already on the "don't over pay for reliever because he's a closer" train. And that applied to trade or free agency. I just didn't think Capps was worth giving up a guy who looked like he was going to be an excellent hitting catcher for a decade.

     

    Capps was actually better than I expected that first year, but went back to being just another reliever afterwards and his career ended early. But he was overvalued for what he actually did and people got fooled by small sample size a little.

     

    Ramos never really lived up to the hype; he made 2 all-star teams, but he didn't really deserve either of them and ended up being a good but not great catcher who struggled to stay healthy.

     

    This goes down as being a bad trade because Ramos' value was pretty dang high as a prospect and it felt like the twins panic-traded for an ok closer and didn't get the dominant arm they really needed. It could have been worse.

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    This trade is like Detroit's Doyle Alexander trade. He went 9-0 in 87 and they made the playoffs and he went 14 - 11 the next year then cratered .... but they gave up John Smoltz for him.

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    That said, Capps was really good for the Twins that year. They may not have been a playoff team without him.

    There is no evidence to support that latter claim, Seth.

     

    On the surface, it seems doubtful, since we won the division by 6 games and Capps, while good, was still just 2 months of a mostly 1-inning reliever, whose numbers weren't appreciably different than the guy he bumped down the depth chart (Rauch). But it actually looks worse when you examine it closely.

     

    Our only real competitor for the playoffs late that season was the White Sox, and indeed we were 1.5 games behind them when we acquired Capps. Maybe Capps' performance against the White Sox was responsible for our turnaround? Nope -- here's Capps first 4 games as a Twins against them:

     

    1. the last inning of a 5-run loss

    2. the last inning of a 5-run win

    3. blown save, we still won in extras (Jim Thome game)

    4. gave up a run in the 9th, putting the tying run in scoring position, but escaped with a save

     

    At this point, the Twins had already opened up a 5-game lead on the White Sox and were already in the driver's seat in the division -- the lead would never be smaller than 3.5 after that, and in fact grew to as many as 12 games in mid-September as the White Sox spiraled downward.

     

    Maybe Capps was clutch in our other games, to get to that point? Not really -- in his first 7 save opportunities for the Twins, Capps actually allowed runs in 4 of them. Only one of those outings was a scoreless 1-run save, and he only came into a tied game once in that period too. He wasn't bad or anything, but there just wasn't the opportunity or performance for him to be considered a main factor behind our 7-game swing in the standings over 3 weeks.

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    One of the team’s biggest weaknesses was the bullpen

    I'm not so sure about that. I'd say the pre-Capps bullpen wasn't that far behind the post-Morneau lineup, or the fully healthy rotation which featured Brian Duensing as our third starter in the postseason.

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    There is no evidence to support that latter claim, Seth.

     

    On the surface, it seems doubtful, since we won the division by 6 games and Capps, while good, was still just 2 months of a mostly 1-inning reliever, whose numbers weren't appreciably different than the guy he bumped down the depth chart (Rauch). But it actually looks worse when you examine it closely.

     

    Our only real competitor for the playoffs late that season was the White Sox, and indeed we were 1.5 games behind them when we acquired Capps. Maybe Capps' performance against the White Sox was responsible for our turnaround? Nope -- here's Capps first 4 games as a Twins against them:

     

    1. the last inning of a 5-run loss

    2. the last inning of a 5-run win

    3. blown save, we still won in extras (Jim Thome game)

    4. gave up a run in the 9th, putting the tying run in scoring position, but escaped with a save

     

    At this point, the Twins had already opened up a 5-game lead on the White Sox and were already in the driver's seat in the division -- the lead would never be smaller than 3.5 after that, and in fact grew to as many as 12 games in mid-September as the White Sox spiraled downward.

     

    Maybe Capps was clutch in our other games, to get to that point? Not really -- in his first 7 save opportunities for the Twins, Capps actually allowed runs in 4 of them. Only one of those outings was a scoreless 1-run save, and he only came into a tied game once in that period too. He wasn't bad or anything, but there just wasn't the opportunity or performance for him to be considered a main factor behind our 7-game swing in the standings over 3 weeks.

     

    Yup, it's just an opinion... I hated the trade probably more than anyone when it happened. But the Twins needed a new closer. Jon Rauch was absolutely horrible. Maybe he would have turned it around, but who knows? And Capps wasn't great either. I think the bigger issue is that he was re-signed. 

     

    Hated that trade probably more than  any other trade that the Twins have made, when it was made. But I don't put it near the Brunansky/Herr trade on the list of bad trades. 

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    All that said, Ramos wasn't really good enough with Washington to make this super-regrettable, although our organization was exposed as embarrassingly thin at catcher, just a few baseball months after trading him, so that was kinda bad. Then Ramos went on to have arguably his best year in 2016, still under team control, the exact same season where we swapped Aaron HIcks for John Ryan Murphy to shore up our catching...

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    Yup, it's just an opinion... 

    An opinion supported by what?

     

    Here's a fun game -- see if you can distinguish between Rauch and Capps' 2010 overall stat lines:

     

    3.12 RA9, 2.94 FIP, 1.301 WHIP, 9.5 H/9, 0.5 HR/9, 2.2 BB/9, 7.2 K/9

     

    3.33 RA9, 3.23 FIP, 1.260 WHIP, 9.2 H/9, 0.7 HR/9, 2.1 BB/9, 7.3 K/9

     

    Your opinion is that one of those pitchers may have been 6+ wins worse than the other, over a two month span?

     

    Their relief careers 2005-2010 look similarly interchangeable:

     

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2010&month=0&season1=2005&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=4788,1475&startdate=&enddate=

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    Acquiring Capps improved the Twins' 2010 bullpen, and this was a team that had legitimate postseason possibilities. That made it a good trade in the short term. Obviously, we now know that Smith overpaid and that made it a bad trade in the long term. Trades like that are risky and it takes excellent talent evaluation skills to make it work in one's favor. Smith seems to have been lacking in that regard.

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    Yup - the reports that Ramos was supposed to be the centerpiece to get a prime Cliff Lee from Seattle are the real stinger in this deal. Instead of pivoting to another frontline starter (or standing pat if there wasn't a fit anywhere else) it felt like the team made a knee-jerk reaction to get something done at an important deadline.

    Yep, that’s what hurts the most in hindsight. Ramos always felt like a trade piece to acquire that mythical ace to push them over the top in the playoffs.

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    An illustration of how much we overpaid:

     

    Rauch was a few years older but largely the same pitcher in terms of 2010/career performance as Capps (see my previous post).

     

    We got 1+ years of team control of Rauch during the 2009 August waiver trade period for basically nothing (sorry, Kevin Mulvey!). During those 1+ years, we paid Rauch about $3.5 mil in salary.

     

    To get 1+ years of team control of Capps in 2010, we gave up Ramos (MLB-ready catcher prospect, #58 on BA's preseason list) AND we had to pay Capps over $8 mil for his services during that time.

     

    Now, they were both useful pitchers in 2010 and there's nothing wrong with having useful pitchers, and not every useful pitcher can be acquired as cheaply as another, but that wide gulf in cost is problematic.

     

    Heck, a month after we got Capps, we got Brian Fuentes for basically nothing too (sorry, Loek Van Mil!). Fuentes was near the end of his line but still quite useful -- 11 games, 12.1 shutout innings for his Twins career -- and only cost us about $1.5 mil for the month/playoffs.

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