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    Nick Nelson

    In baseball, spring is a time of optimism, hope, and endless possibilities. With the regular season days away, and anticipation at its highest following a long and cold offseason, just about everyone is feeling the buzz. The potential. The freshness.

    This year, we should be feeling that vibe more than ever. Things are moving in a legitimately positive trajectory, in terms of upcoming young personnel, and this is the healthiest I can ever remember the team being at the start of April.

    Yet, when you scan the roster that Paul Molitor and his staff have settled on taking north, it's hard not to feeling a sense of puzzlement and deflation.

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    Shane Robinson. He's a 30-year-old career backup with a .612 OPS in the majors, and he hit .150 last year with St. Louis.

    Blaine Boyer. He's a 33-year-old who was out of big leagues for two years, between a trip to Japan and a brief retirement, before returning last year to throw 40 decent innings for San Diego.

    Chris Herrmann. He's a 27-year-old with a .196 average and .548 OPS in 276 MLB plate appearances. He plays a lot of positions, but none of them all that well, and he's a catcher who rarely catches. He's mostly been an emergency valve at the position, in fact.

    These are players that should generally be viewed as backup options, if not backup backup options. They are the guys who should be stashed in the minors or at the very end of the bench. But each has clutched a spot on the Twins' opening day roster and each is in line to play a fairly significant role from the get-go.

    Robinson, who struggled mightily in 47 games with the Cardinals last year before being released in November, is the only option in center field other than Jordan Schafer, who himself profiles as a backup. Paul Molitor has said he won't be straight-up platooning the two, but Robinson still figures to see some time.

    Boyer has a great story and an intriguing fastball, but there's not a whole lot of reason to believe he's going to be an above-average reliever. It's one thing to have a guy like that at the very bottom of your bullpen chain, but Boyer is not that. The Twins are also carrying Mike Pelfrey, who has zero experience as a reliever and whose usage will be tightly restricted early on. And also J.R. Graham, who hasn't pitched an inning in the majors or Triple-A. And also Tim Stauffer, who's been flat-out horrendous this spring. Boyer, at this point, looks like the No. 2 righty option out of the bullpen.

    Herrmann is not without value, and probably is a better hitter than he's shown in his altogether short big-league time. But with the rest of the bench looking rather thin, and with Herrmann's versatility, he's going to get some tread. As Kurt Suzuki's only backup, he'll probably start once a week behind the plate, where he played all of one inning in the majors last year.

    In fairness, it should be pointed out that there were some extenuating circumstances at play in all these cases.

    Herrmann may have only won his job because Josmil Pinto suffered a concussion late in camp that set him back. Chances are he won't be around long.

    Robinson was the fallback plan when Aaron Hicks was deemed unready. He was the best defensive option to complement Schafer and the Twins are trying to help their pitching staff, which is fair enough.

    Boyer probably wouldn't have stuck around if he didn't make the team, and for whatever reason the Twins want to get a look at him.

    I will say that much of the outrage about certain demotions this spring, often alluding to things like upside and age, strikes me as overblown. None of the moves mentioned above are permanent, and younger players like Trevor May and Michael Tonkin -- who were most likely better options than those that beat them out -- will head to the minors, where they'll wait in line and be available when the time comes.

    Still, the Twins are coming out of the chute featuring a roster that is overly dense with journeymen and long shots; players you expect to find on a last-place team. Like, say, the Twins in August. But, the Twins in April?

    Obviously, I hope some of these odd experiments work out. But if they don't, will Molitor show the same type of unwarranted patience that his predecessor tended to exercise in such situations?

    That could be a key area for the new regime to differentiate itself.

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    The roster doesn't have an exciting bench or back-end of the bullpen, but I thought Nick told the story well.

     

    Herrmann will catch maybe one out of 4 games until Pinto is deemed at 100% He probably won't show his versatility as much since he's the backup catcher.

     

    Boyer's looked fine, and as Parker showed in his story earlier in the week, there's reason to believe that he could be pretty solid.Obviously we'll find out.

     

    As for Robinson, I expect he'll make one start most weeks (maybe a 2nd start some weeks), and he'll be a late-inning defensive replacement a couple times each week. 

     

    The key to the Twins success isn't on the Fringes (As Nick calls them)... it's that starting lineup being able to score runs and help limit runs. And it's the starting pitchers being able to complete 7 innings most of the time so that just Duensing, Fien and Perkins need to be relied upon as Boyer, Pelfrey, Stauffer and Graham adjust to their roles.

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    I still like Herrmann. I also wonder if Nunez won't be the guy headed down after Pinto returns. 

     

    The bullpen looks silly right now. I am going to have an open mind about Boyer. It was interesting to watch the bullpen tonight. Boyer and Stauffer were the only good relievers tonight. There was legit movement and placement on 95 mph fastballs from Boyer. It was interesting to see how the Red Sox veterans *clearly* knew that Graham and Burdi were going to throw straight fastballs and they punished them badly. Napoli's homer off Burdi was monstrous. But they couldn't figure out Boyer at all. 

     

    A return of the Joe Mauer we know and the massive breakout of Oswaldo Arcia this year will be the two stories that will be most meaningful for the offense. Hughes and Santana will anchor the rotation and both could be AS-quality this year.

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    There is a possibility Shane is right when Pinto is 100%.  Nuñez could go and Herrmann could stay.  Herrmann has an option remaining, so he could move back and forth freely, while Nuñez does not.  At this point, Nuñez is pretty redundant to Robinson/Escobar, but one injury moves Escobar into regular status and makes Nuñez a pretty important bench player.  Beyond Nuñez, the next best utility infielder is.............Doug Bernier?   Despite his flaws, I think Nuñez needs to stay on the roster.

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    There is a possibility Shane is right when Pinto is 100%.  Nuñez could go and Herrmann could stay.  Herrmann has an option remaining, so he could move back and forth freely, while Nuñez does not.  At this point, Nuñez is pretty redundant to Robinson/Escobar, but one injury moves Escobar into regular status and makes Nuñez a pretty important bench player.  Beyond Nuñez, the next best utility infielder is.............Doug Bernier?   Despite his flaws, I think Nuñez needs to stay on the roster.

    I also believe Nunez stays on the roster, if for no other reason than a bat off the bench.  So far, in Hermann's limited ABs, he hasn't shown much.  Nunez at least poses the threat of getting a hit.  They could probably throw his glove away..

    As for the bullpen, I couldn't agree more.  If the old guys falter, I hope TR is on the phone quick.  I'd much rather see the young guys come up and get bloody noses in a learning experience than the old guys get bloody noses before they're knocked out of the league.  

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     Beyond Nuñez, the next best utility infielder is.............Doug Bernier? 

     

    Jose Martinez and maybe even Farris and Beresford.  Bernier is kinda of a future coach in waiting :)

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    As I stated elsewhere, it's not any one of the roster spots that is a problem, or can't be argued reasonably, it's the collection of them together that bothers me. But as SD states, this roster is not necessarily indicative of what the roster will be like June 1st, July 1st or August 1st. There is a very real chance that Stauffer, Boyer, Pelfrey, Milone and possibly Nolasco are place holders and/or trade commodities at some point. And I seriously doubt the CF situation remains the same more than half a season. Disappointing at this point? Yes. Bridge time? Nope.

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    There is a possibility Shane is right when Pinto is 100%.  Nuñez could go and Herrmann could stay.  Herrmann has an option remaining, so he could move back and forth freely, while Nuñez does not.  At this point, Nuñez is pretty redundant to Robinson/Escobar, but one injury moves Escobar into regular status and makes Nuñez a pretty important bench player.  Beyond Nuñez, the next best utility infielder is.............Doug Bernier?   Despite his flaws, I think Nuñez needs to stay on the roster.

     

    What Stringer said.

     

    I like Herrmann, and always have. I'm in the "if he had hit better when brought up to the Twins previously as he flashed In the minors you would like him too" club. And I would absolutely love to return to an 11 man staff and keep the extra bench player, Herrmann in this case. But the roster is unsettled just enough, primarily due to CF, that Nunez is a more important piece at this point.

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    Jose Martinez and maybe even Farris and Beresford.  Bernier is kinda of a future coach in waiting :)

     

    I might disagree with that. I think Bernier is pretty solid for a utility infielder, and he's not going to complain about not playing very often. 

     

    he's absolutely a future coach, but his baseball talent shouldn't be underestimated. He hasn't just hung around this long by not being really good. And, for me at least, a utility infielder's job (especially when the 3B, SS and 2B are all pretty established every day players) is defense first, and Bernier is terrific with the glove.

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    Hicks didn't seize the opportunity, and Rosario will be given some time at AAA. I wish CF were different, but Schafer was OK for us last year. Given all that AND that both Arcia and Hunter are feared to be terrible defenders, it makes sense to me to have Robinson as the 4th OF. Assuming Arcia and Hunter are 3-4 spots apart in the batting order, one of them should almost always be in a spot to be pinch ran for around the 7th-9th inning, getting perhaps 1-3 innings of improved defense for our (questionable) bullpen, depending on game situations. If Hicks or Rosario lights the world on fire in AAA for a month and Schafer struggles, then one of them comes up and Robinson goes down, and Schafer takes over Robinson's role.

     

    A question I would like to have answered is whether the position players have also been throwing their Neil Allen change-ups more often, in preparation for mop-up duty if the starter has an off day and the bullpen has to start pitching in the 5th.

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    For what it's worth, I don't think the roster stays like this for very long.

     

    CF features Schafer / Robinson until Hicks proves himself ready or Rosario forces his way up (my money is on Eddie achieving his part first).

     

    Stauffer, Boyer and probably even Graham and Duensing aren't "stuck" in the 'pen. If any of them start to falter, the farm is loaded with other options. I don't see the Twins being hesitant to pull the trigger here when necessary.

     

    Herrmann is a nice utility guy that can also function as the emergency catcher. I doubt he'll have to catch too much, as I think that Pinto is only going to be in AAA long enough to make up for missed time due to injury this spring. After that, Herrmann or Nunez can stick as the bench guy with the other cast of or demoted.

     

    As a whole, the roster is a bit disappointing - especially when we're all waiting for the youth movement. However, Molitor doesn't seem to be the type that's going to stubbornly stick with the veterans when everything they aren't earning their keep - hopefully we'll see that to be true as the season plays out.

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    Great job describing the team.  If the Twins are trying to generate the excitement at Target Field that has been lost the last four years - this is not the team to do it.

     

    So true. Thankfully for me, the birdwatching is spectacular during spring migration. I'll check back with you guys in late May when the kids start to get called up, the trade deadline rumors start to fly, and the prospects all begin to exceed our expectations down in Chattanooga.

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    Great job describing the team.  If the Twins are trying to generate the excitement at Target Field that has been lost the last four years - this is not the team to do it.

    "Wait, so Torii Hunter and new home uniforms weren't enough to get people excited and back out to the ballpark?"-Twins Front Office, probably

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    "Wait, so Torii Hunter and new home uniforms weren't enough to get people excited and back out to the ballpark?"-Twins Front Office, probably

    speaking of new uniforms, which ones did we say goodbye to?

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    Something that I think hasn't been said at TD yet--the most pissed off about Shane Robinson should be Eric Farris! Farris posted an .804 OPS against lefties in Rochester last year. He won the Twins OF defense award for 2014 in the minors. A true 4th OF (all three positions) and a second baseman. Emergency shortstop.

    Actually, how is Eduardo Nunez taken more seriously than Farris? Just this so-called "pop" that Nunez possesses?

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    Also, Herrmann's value as another catcher is going to be dependent on how far Suzuki regresses. Also, given Schafer/Robinson, it might be wise to use Pinto as a pinch hitter in absolutely every game that he doesn't start. Another reason for Herrmann to be on the roster instead of Nunez. 9th inning OF alignment of Schafer-Robinson-Herrmann is not bad.

     

    Of course Schafer-Farris-Robinson is even better. 

     

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    Robinson was the fallback plan when Aaron Hicks was deemed unready. He was the best defensive option to complement Schafer and the Twins are trying to help their pitching staff, which is fair enough.

    Of course, we've had two full calendar years to come up with a better CF plan.  And a better defensive OF starter would be a much better way to improve our defense than one backup.  (Even Schafer is generally regarded as stretched defensively as an everyday CF, no?)

     

    I will say that much of the outrage about certain demotions this spring, often alluding to things like upside and age, strikes me as overblown. None of the moves mentioned above are permanent, and younger players like Trevor May and Michael Tonkin -- who were most likely better options than those that beat them out -- will head to the minors, where they'll wait in line and be available when the time comes.

    I think when the Twins commit to an opening day roster, particularly a veteran without options on the opening day roster, it's permanent for at least 2 months, often longer.

     

    Looking back at the opening day rosters since 2010, here are the guys who haven't lasted 2 months and who were not optioned to the minors:

     

    Bartlett 2014 (retired)

    Sean Burroughs 2012 (DFA'd after a month)

    Luke Hughes 2012 (waived after a couple weeks)

     

    Marquis was released after about 2 months in 2012 too.

     

    And as we know, Schafer, Robinson, Nunez, Stauffer, Boyer, Pelfrey, and Graham cannot be optioned, so I don't expect any quick decisions on them.  It's basically Herrmann and Milone.

     

    How quickly would they option Milone at that salary?  They did release Marquis and option Slowey after about two months at a similar price, but Slowey was pitching out of the bullpen at the time (and both had more recent injuries?).

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    Also, Herrmann's value as another catcher is going to be dependent on how far Suzuki regresses. Also, given Schafer/Robinson, it might be wise to use Pinto as a pinch hitter in absolutely every game that he doesn't start. Another reason for Herrmann to be on the roster instead of Nunez. 9th inning OF alignment of Schafer-Robinson-Herrmann is not bad.

     

    Of course Schafer-Farris-Robinson is even better. 

    I get that Nunez is the most hated Twin on this forum but I can't get down w/ Eric Ferris being the answer. Nunez is rough but he's got more talent than Ferris and Hermann for that matter. IMO it's not very close either.

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    Yeah, I'm not understanding how the problem is that the roster is uninspiring and the solution is Eric Farris. I don't think people in Rochester get excited to see Eric Farris.

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    I'm ok with the position players providing Plouffe improves on his 2014 improvement and Hunter is not the defensive liability those debated D stats say he is.

     

    And Arcia strikes out less

     

    Umm

     

    And Mauer returns to a plus .300 hitter with increased extra base out-put

     

    With that... I'm Ok with the position players!!!

     

    Providing... Santana continues to play like he played last year at SS... And Escobor finds regular at bats as a utility type and carries on doing what he did last year.... And... Umm... Suzuki keeps delivering key hits to extend some innings.

     

    Oh Yeah and Vargas... We need him to lead the team in Dingers if he can do that... I'm Ok with the position players. That's about it...

     

    Unless you consider the need for Schafer to finally play like the highly ranked prospect he once was.

     

    Ummm... And Dozier... We need him to continue to hit Homers to make up for homers that Joe doesn't hit.

     

    As you can see... I clearly believe the Twins will go as far as the Pitching takes them.

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    Something that I think hasn't been said at TD yet--the most pissed off about Shane Robinson should be Eric Farris! Farris posted an .804 OPS against lefties in Rochester last year. He won the Twins OF defense award for 2014 in the minors. A true 4th OF (all three positions) and a second baseman. Emergency shortstop.

    Actually, how is Eduardo Nunez taken more seriously than Farris? Just this so-called "pop" that Nunez possesses?

    I suspect Farris's defensive award was more just an acknowledgement of taking on the task, when there was basically no healthy outfielders in our high minors (remember when AA Kenny Wilson snuck onto our CF depth chart?).  Also, the competition was thin.

     

    Nunez might not be a bad comp for Farris, though.  Their minor league lines are pretty close to identical, although Farris spent two whole season in the PCL so his line is probably worse.  (Although it appears Farris also skipped AA, which was by far Nunez's best level.)  I have no idea about Farris's true defensive rep.

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    I think when the Twins commit to an opening day roster, particularly a veteran without options on the opening day roster, it's permanent for at least 2 months, often longer.

    That was often the case under Gardenhire. I don't think we should assume it will be under Molitor. But as the article concludes, that remains to be seen.

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    That was often the case under Gardenhire. I don't think we should assume it will be under Molitor. But as the article concludes, that remains to be seen.

    Molitor has been in this organization the last 10 years.  Barring any evidence to the contrary, I think it's safe to assume he's OK with our general pattern of personnel decisions.

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    The roster doesn't have an exciting bench or back-end of the bullpen, but I thought Nick told the story well.

     

    Herrmann will catch maybe one out of 4 games until Pinto is deemed at 100% He probably won't show his versatility as much since he's the backup catcher.

     

    Boyer's looked fine, and as Parker showed in his story earlier in the week, there's reason to believe that he could be pretty solid.Obviously we'll find out.

     

    As for Robinson, I expect he'll make one start most weeks (maybe a 2nd start some weeks), and he'll be a late-inning defensive replacement a couple times each week. 

     

    The key to the Twins success isn't on the Fringes (As Nick calls them)... it's that starting lineup being able to score runs and help limit runs. And it's the starting pitchers being able to complete 7 innings most of the time so that just Duensing, Fien and Perkins need to be relied upon as Boyer, Pelfrey, Stauffer and Graham adjust to their roles.

    I'm not sure "we'll be just fine if the bench rarely has to play, the starters pitch more than is reasonable to expect, and only 3 of 7 relievers pitch any time the game is close" is a viable way to start the season.

     

    I guess we'll find out.

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    I'm not sure "we'll be just fine if the bench rarely has to play, the starters pitch more than is reasonable to expect, and only 3 of 7 relievers pitch any time the game is close" is a viable way to start the season.

     

    I guess we'll find out.

    Pfft, competent 25 man rosters are for suckers. Smart teams only use like 10 of those spots for good players.

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    I'm not sure "we'll be just fine if the bench rarely has to play, the starters pitch more than is reasonable to expect, and only 3 of 7 relievers pitch any time the game is close" is a viable way to start the season.

     

    I guess we'll find out.

    I am just waiting for the Dave St. Peter tweet, "Amazed at focus on 20th through 25th men on the roster."

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