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  • Supplementing The Twins: A Rotation Trio


    Ted Schwerzler

    Continuing with the series on supplementing the Twins this offseason, we’ll wrap up the starting pitching category. So far, both Lance Lynn and Tyler Chatwood have been considered. With the idea that it would be good for Minnesota to bring in a starting option or two, it’s never a bad idea to have a relatively lengthy list of names.

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    In looking at the final three pitching names, a certain level of brevity will be used. Given that both Lynn and Chatwood seem to be a bit better fit on the surface, the following trio would be nice complementary pieces to one of the top two options. Without any further explanation though, let’s get into it.

    Alex Cobb

    He turned 30 years old on October 7, and has exactly 700 big league innings under his belt. Through 115 starts, he owns a career 3.50 ERA and has compiled a 7.3K/9 to go with a 2.6 BB/9. Cobb missed the 2015 season due to Tommy John surgery, and made just five starts in 2016. This season however, he posted a serviceable 3.66 ERA and 4.16 FIP in his first “healthy” year since 2014.

    At one time, having looked like another darling of the Rays staff, Cobb is now well past the 2.82 ERA he posted across 49 starts in 2013-14. After making $4.2 million last season, he’ll enter free agency for the first time. With the opportunity to sign his first lengthy deal, the Twins could land a more-than-capable guy for the rotation.

    Throughout his career, Cobb has a relatively pedestrian strikeout rate. That said, he limits walks and has induced ground balls over 50% of the time. Home run rates have been in check, and this past season was really the first time he’s served up more than 1.0 HR/9. Working in the low 90’s, he’s a pitcher who works for his outs, and the sinker/curveball combination is one he utilizes often.

    I don’t know if Cobb can get back to his early career success. Injuries have taken place, and age is against him. That said, the floor is pretty safe here, and the ceiling may be ripe for the picking.

    Jhoulys Chacin

    After pitching the first six seasons of his big league career in Colorado, Jhoulys Chacin bounced around the big leagues a bit. With stops in Arizona, Atlanta, Los Angeles (AL), and San Diego, he’ll be joining his fifth team in the past four years.

    Over the course of 32 starts for the Padres in 2017, Chacin owned a 3.89 ERA with a 4.26 FIP and a 7.6 K/9 with a 3.6 BB/9. Those numbers, especially playing half your games at Petco, don’t make you jump up and down. Command jumps out as an issue, and in a pitcher’s park you’d like to see a better FIP number.

    Looking for positives, Chacin made just $1.75 million last season, and should be able to be had relatively cheaply. He’ll also be only 30 years old, and likely has plenty of juice left in the tank. Although he doesn’t generate quite as many groundballs as Cobb, Chacin also tends to give up fewer home runs.

    In 2017, Chacin was mainly a fastball/slider pitcher, mixing in the occasional curveball and changeup. His stuff sits low 90s, and his swinging strike rate has hovered around 8.0% for most of the past seven years. He’s far from flashy, but if the Twins are looking for a low-cost arm to round out the starting rotation, they could look in his direction.

    Andrew Cashner

    Finally, and in somewhat of a flipping-the-script move, we take a look at Andrew Cashner. The oldest and most expensive of this group, Cashner will be 31 in 2018 and made $10 million on a one year deal with the Rangers last season. Across 28 starts, he compiled a 3.40 ERA along with an incredibly odd 4.6 K/9 and 3.5 BB/9.

    Long the darling of many writers, Cashner’s allure has never been alluring to me. There’s a decent amount to like here, but we’ve just never seen it all come together. His 3.80 ERA over the course of his career is just fine, but there have been plenty of mediocre seasons sprinkled in between good ones. Whether or not he takes a step forward or back is anyone’s guess.

    Despite striking no one out, and walking too many batters in 2017, Cashner kept the ball in the yard. Playing home games in Texas, that’s a pretty tough task and he’s to be commended for that. The fastball is his pitch of choice, and he relies on secondary offerings of a slider, curveball and changeup almost equally. Despite once being an upper 90’s hurler, he’s since settle into the mid-90s at this latter half of his career.

    Compared to the other two options, Cashner is the greatest wildcard. The strikeout and walk numbers a season ago were baffling, and not getting hurt more with them also leaves plenty of room for exposure. With velocity on his side however, he might have the ability to unlock more value.

    In my thinking, signing someone like Lynn or Chatwood, along with one of this trio, seem to be intriguing options. Cobb represents the guy I’d most trust, and Cashner is probably the biggest flier. For the price, Chacin has appeal of his own as well. If you’re taking a look at it, how do you see them stacking up?

    Check back next week as we move to the relief side of supplementing the Twins.

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    My concerns with FA pitchers are much more around decline in performance rather than injury risk. You hate to pay a guy to sit on the DL, but having a high-paid starter who you're all but forced to keep rolling out there despite struggles is maybe even worse.

    Oddly enough, I agree. In recent years, a Twins starter going down meant some truly awful AAAA pitcher was slotted to pick up in his place. But the Twins are getting close to graduating some interesting arms. Nothing overpowering, but interesting. You have Gonsalves and Romero on the cusp. Behind them, you have Thorpe, Stewart, and the 2017 deadline acquisitions.

     

    I'm more worried about a Phil Hughes situation soaking up innings than I am a guy going down because I wouldn't mind seeing some of those guys get a chance early in 2018.

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    I also agree that running out a poor performer because of salary is the worst possible scenario. Counting on TrevorMay next year is not wise. I see him as a starter anyway because his body seemed to break down as a reliever. He can be a valuable starter but it will take a while. As for aquisitions I am all for spending money on free agents but trades not so much. Either is a crap shoot but the downside of FA is just money (the team is owned by bankers so I assume they are not with me here) and now that we have a good young nucleus we might actually be able to attract the attractive. Another thing in our favor is unlike the Wolves, Wild and Vikings the Twins play in the summer when Minnesota and Minneapolis might actually be a draw especially to the informed.

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    Some here are talking bullpen help as well.  So, here's a question for everyone.  Is Trevor May a solid enough addition to the 'pen next year to warrant allocating FA dollars to a starter or is that too much of a risk coming off TJ.  Can they trust him to be a setup man coming off surgery?  Or even the closer?

     

    The front office has repeatedly stated that May will be utilized as a starter going forward. Not saying that won't change but i wouldn't count on him in the pen.

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    I would be happy if the Twins signed Alex Cobb for anything at 4/60M or less.  I don't think they will win the bidding war for Darvish, but they should at least make an offer.  Arrieta's regression the past two years scares me.  Contrary to some things I've read here, I prefer Cobb to Lynn, especially if he is the cheaper option.  Their numbers appear quite similar and I prefer the pitcher who has thrown in the AL East vs the NL Central.  Santana, Cobb, Berrios plus two of Gibson, Meijia, Gonsalves, Slegers is good by me.  Then add 1-2 RP's.

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    Do not like any of these options, though if forced to pick one it would be Cobb.  A few higher ace types out there and many of the teams who would usually buy one need to get under the luxury tax limit for next year.  Go buy and ace.

     

    Who did you have in mind?

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    As far as having a rotation better than Boston, NYY and Cleveland, I'm not sure that is possible without major turnover throughout the roster.   I think it's possible our offense can make up some of the difference.   We were behind the Yankees, basically even with Cleveland and ahead of the Red Sox in scoring.   With continued improvement in our younger players (nearly every starter), it reasonable that we can be one of the top two or three in the AL.   If we get our pitching to allow between 700 and 750, we probably win 90+ games.   Cleveland gave up nearly 100 less runs than the #2 team in the AL.   What did that get them?   In my estimation we just need to get in the top half of the AL to have a good chance.   If this year's playoffs have shown anything, even really good pitchers can get ripped. 

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    If this year's playoffs have shown anything, even really good pitchers can get ripped. 

    Good pitchers can have bad games (Darvish going out there with zero command), but I've drawn almost the opposite conclusion to yours. We're seeing state of the art offenses, and only the best pitchers stand a chance. When those pitchers falter and have to come out, their replacements do even worse and you end up with double-digit scores.

     

    Our Twins' offense is good but not yet on a par with the best. Our pitching, OTOH, would be getting absolutely slaughtered in these series. Our front office has a lot of work to do, on multiple fronts, unless the hope is to win a championship on a fluke some year. Top-half in pitching isn't going to be enough.

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