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    Nick Nelson

    One advantage to falling out of postseason contention within the first two months of the season is that it enables a team like the Minnesota Twins to clearly establish itself as a seller well ahead of the trade deadline.

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    In this age of multiple wild card entrants, the vast majority of clubs around baseball are fancying themselves postseason contenders. This makes the market more favorable for teams in such a position as Minnesota's. Trade partners will generally give up a bit more to acquire help in June than July, for obvious reasons, and the Twins have no real reason to wait around.

    Unfortunately, in accordance with the "Total System Failure" framework of this 2016 season, nearly every player who looked like a potentially attractive trade chip has scuffled and drained his value. This is particularly painful in a few key spots, as we'll discuss below.

    It's not all bad, though. There won't be any blockbuster swap that brings back elite talent, but there are a few intriguing possibilities to be considered. Let's break down the roster and see where things stand as we head into June.

    CATCHER: It's possible that someone could take interest in Kurt Suzuki as a backup but the Twins have no usable alternative to fall back on and Suzuki's .570 OPS wouldn't fetch much anyway. This is a position where the Twins should solely be looking to add, not subtract.

    INFIELD: Eduardo Nunez is the hot name here. He is enjoying a very strong year, with a .314/.347/.482 slash line, and while it seems a bit flukish, he has continued to hit into late May and is also coming off a 2015 season in which he posted a career-high OPS. He doesn't turn 29 for a month. Combine the clear upward offensive trajectory with his defensive versatility, and Nunez could garner some real interest. Trevor Plouffe will be much discussed because he's on a one-year commitment and dealing him would open third base for Miguel Sano, but unfortunately he's playing terribly. Would Terry Ryan ship out Plouffe, a former first-round pick and a core veteran staple, for a mid-level prospect? At this point it's not unthinkable. Parting with Brian Dozier or Eduardo Escobar would open a spot for Jorge Polanco but neither has done anything to create a market.

    OUTFIELD: Ryan won't even think about giving up Sano, Byron Buxton or Max Kepler, and rightfully so. Trading Eddie Rosario over the offseason would have been a good idea if the opportunity arose, but now he has turned into a pumpkin. I actually think Danny Santana might attract some suitors as a bench piece because he can play several positions and offers plenty of speed, but he won't bring back anything special.

    ROTATION: The only rotation members who would have any credibility as trade candidates are Tyler Duffey and Ervin Santana, but the Twins can't really afford to lose either of them at this point considering how things have played out with the rest of the starters. It would have been really nice if Ricky Nolasco could have kept up his April pace and made himself appealing to a team needing a fifth starter, but alas, it looks like the only way he's leaving is by DFA.

    BULLPEN: This one hurts. There are many contenders looking for help in the bullpen, including the Red Sox (who just lost key setup man Carson Smith for the season) and the Rangers (who are second in the West but have the worst bullpen ERA in the AL). Depressingly, every reliever that might have brought back a decent haul has inspired no confidence. At the top of that list is Kevin Jepsen, who is pitching as poorly as he ever has, because of course. Trevor May has melted down this month, as has Ryan Pressly to a lesser extent. Michael Tonkin doesn't have a big-league track record. Fernando Abad has been the bullpen's best performer but as a lefty specialist with an uneven history, he's not the kind of arm that commands a meaningful return.

    SUMMARY

    Even in circumstances like these, where major shakeups are warranted, it's simply not good strategy to be trading assets with depressed value. That rules out the idea of flipping someone like Dozier or Glen Perkins (if he ever gets healthy). No one is taking those contracts and giving up anything. Nunez looks like a nice chip if he keeps hitting, and Santana might bring back a Single-A type, but there aren't many other opportunities to build a marketplace.

    Plouffe is going to be the most interesting case. On the one hand, it would be a shame to sell low on someone who's been a very solid player over the years. On the other hand, Sano needs to get out of right field, and it's not clear Plouffe is in the team's plans beyond 2016. It might end up being a "take what you can get" scenario.

    As it happens, the defending champs just lost third baseman Mike Moustakas for the year to a torn ACL. It wouldn't be a bad thing for Plouffe to get on a hot streak, as he is wont to do.

    What are your thoughts? If you were in the GM's chair, what would be your approach as the trade deadline draws nearer?

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    A Catch 22! If they play better Terry will again see them as part of solution remember the Plouffe led the team in RBI comment so why trade him comment last winter?

    If they continue to play poorly he'll have the nobody wants to give up anything of value for our bad players excuse.

    Sorry I just don't have any faith in Terry fixing this mess.

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    Now is not the time to make trades.  Or, should I say, waste your time trying to make one.  Sell high, not low.

     

    As the year goes on, more player will come up hurt.  Remember this?

     

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24655128/twins-trade-kevin-correia-to-dodgers-for-player-to-be-named

     

    Wait for other teams to have roster needs.

     

    Quoting Platoon:  Personally I think the trading criteria should be "how can I straighten out our own roster, and our 40 man" not what can I get in return.

     

    You can literally get something for everyone.  If it's an A-baller and a AA, in many cases on the Twins roster, that would be a great success.  In many others, a "Correa-like" trade for cash would still clear a spot.

     

     

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    Though I was opposed to the Ervin Santana signing and wasn't thrilled with his suspension, at this point I would like to see him stick around. It seems like I saw Berrios and Santana sitting in the dugout together a lot. Perhaps discussing pitching or just making it in MLB, though it's hard to know for sure. Isn't this the sort of mentorship or veteran leadership the Twins claim to value so much? So, I would keep Santana, and also Dozier. Dozier is struggling but my gut says keep him. All the other so called veterans can be released for a song and the team would be immediately improved, regardless of return. Like others say, we might need to throw in a prospect.

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    This is depressing...our best trade chips are the prospects like Buxton, Berrios, Gonsalves and Kepler. Dozier, Plouffe, etc. have little value.

     

    I think the answer is to package one of the big prospects, Plouffe and a couple of lower prospects for the best we can get...

     

    Keep Sano, Park, and Duffey--anybody else on the MLB roster can go.

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    I would trade Plouffe and Dozier, but I don't expect much of a return for either.  See if you can get a ML ready bullpen piece, or else some higher ceiling, lower probability prospect.  I think Plouffe would be an ideal Platoon partner at DH with Arica if Park gets traded, but his salary next year is too high for that.  

     

    I would definitely trade Nunez, wouldn't expect anything great for him but should get something. 

     

    If I can get good value for Park I trade him. 

     

    I really hope Jepsen remembers how to get ML hitters out and hope he has any sort of trade deadline value.  

     

    I would definitely trade Danny Santana but doubt he holds much value (Rosario is my 2017 4th outfielder)

     

    I would not trade Gibson, and would lean not trading Santana.  I would rather them in the 2017 rotation than Hughes (bullpen), and most of the pitching prospects outside of Berrios likely won't be a ML factor until 2018.  So you've got Berrios, Duffey, Gibson, Santana and May/Meyer.  

     

     

     

     

     

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    I don't need to get value back. All I want back are open 25 and 40 man roster spots.

     

    This team has prospects, let's worry about getting the ones they have playing time first.

    That's where I'm at. There's several candidates in the lower levels that need a promotion soon, so I would target young A ball players and see what happens.  

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    That's where I'm at. There's several candidates in the lower levels that need a promotion soon, so I would target young A ball players and see what happens.  

     

    Agreed, A ballers obviously hold less value than their counterparts who are in AA and AAA so they are often more attainable and they almost surely can be left off of the 40-man.

     

    I'm OK with more Miguel Sulbarans and Daniel Palkas.

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    Agreed, A ballers obviously hold less value than their counterparts who are in AA and AAA so they are often more attainable and they almost surely can be left off of the 40-man.

     

    I'm OK with more Miguel Sulbarans and Daniel Palkas.

    I would most certainly rather have a different GM trading people. But if it is Terry I prefer prospects that are in AA or AAA and have developed with another franchise. Here are just three examples from this year:

     

    -Baseballs top prospects inability to recognize and hit breaking balls

     

    -Duffey, a college reliever in our system for four years optioned to AAA to develop a third pitch

     

    -Dozier, a 29 year old veteran on a four year deal who is currently working on going the other way

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    It's really tough to get someone to bite on quantity when asking them to give up quality in prospect for prospect trades.  Rarely happens.

     

    and Vargas has about as much value as any other random player with AAAA upside...

     

    It changes somewhat if these prospects in return are very young and raw. Other than a close-to-ready catcher, there is really no reason to expect or go after prospects over 20.

    I imagine that Vargas would be an improvement over Kendrys Morales right now.

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    Don't think they can afford to trade Gibson or E Santana as they have nothing MLB ready in the cupboards. I don't think anyone cares how Nolasco is sent packing just so long as he's gone and Hughes might be better off in the pen but not sure they have a better option at SP than him either. Until they have some legit pitching it matters little who they run out there in the field so might as well be the young guys. If you can't take pennies on the dollar for your veterans then let them sit on the bench.

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    Mind you, things could be easier in these deals if the Twins agreed to just pay the rest of the year's salary for someone like Plouffe. Or Suzuki, etc. Suzuki for free (option is likely not happening anyway) might be very attractive to a playoff team looking for a backup.

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    So much damage is happening this year to the veterans and the top minor leaguers that the horizon should be another three years. An example would be the 2003-2006 Detroit Tigers, who went from horrible to the World Series.

     

    Trade Park, Plouffe, Dozier, Nunez, Gibson, Santana, Nolasco and any other veteran who's not nailed down (Mauer and Hughes are likely untradeable). Yes, some of these are good players, but the team needs to clear salary and reload. If you can get something of value for Abad, trade him. If a big contract like Nolasco can't get anything of value, still include him as a salary dump, like the trade of Bronson Arroyo last year, even if all that is received in return is a competitive balance pick. Some players in the minors should also be available, including Meyer, Stewart and Vargas, mostly for reload purposes but also because the team might as well get some value from them before they go to waste.

     

    Not all will be traded by the deadline. After that, bring in a replacement GM or president around August, like the Phillies brought in Andy McPhail last summer, and let him figure out the next steps.

     

    The South Coast Boutique is having a fire sale.

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    Here's the problem; the Twins best prospects are stuck in the minors because of deadweight in the majors. So the solution is to clear out the deadweight, bring the kids up and let them learn how to play while the fans are enjoying beer and food in the stadium. Cut the price of the brewskis and the "fans" won't even watch the kids make mistakes. They'll be too busy sucking up the "stadium experience". That's a euphemism for "drinking too much beer". They'll also willingly buy 2018 Twins jerseys which the club can sell for outrageous prices. There will be numbers on the jerseys, but no names... maybe blanks the fans can fill in with magic markers - the kind that can be erased.

     

    So how do we clear the roster? Keep in mind we really don't want any players in return because what we're doing is creating room for the "utes" in the minors. So put Bill Smith in charge of trading the deadweight. If anybody can can empty a roster and not get anything in return, Smith's the man.

     

    "Go Twins" will have a whole new meaning.

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    The Twins best prospects aren't "stuck", they just haven't played their to the majors. There's a huge difference between earned promotions and "open mic" promotions. I'm reading "promote [him] because we need help, I like [him], and I can't stomach [who is there now]". 

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    The Twins best prospects aren't "stuck", they just haven't played their to the majors. There's a huge difference between earned promotions and "open mic" promotions. I'm reading "promote [him] because we need help, I like [him], and I can't stomach [who is there now]". 

     

    Miguel Sano isn't stuck?  Jorge Polanco hasn't earned a look? Jose Berrios hasn't been largely dominant in almost 20 AAA starts? Alex Meyer doesn't deserve a shot at some point? 

     

    Buxton and Kepler don't need a few months of steady playing time so you know what you have for 2017?

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    Neil Allen suspended for a DWI.  Add that to the long list of things that have gone off track this season.

     

    Trade chips?  Well, when the guy across the table knows exactly what cards you're holding, it's tough to win the hand.  The reality is that everyone in MLB knows that Plouffe is blocking Sano and that Sano in RF is not an option for the future.  So, if you were an opposing GM who really needed a 3B, what would you offer for Plouffe?  If you're smart, not much.  What we need is a really dumb GM...where is Kenny Williams when you need him?

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    Miguel Sano isn't stuck?  Jorge Polanco hasn't earned a look? Jose Berrios hasn't been largely dominant in almost 20 AAA starts? Alex Meyer doesn't deserve a shot at some point? 

     

    Buxton and Kepler don't need a few months of steady playing time so you know what you have for 2017?

    No, he isn't blocked. First, he is in the major leagues.  Second, he will be replacement value defensively at 3B like he was in the minors, and third he is preventing himself from being a top-hitter--not Plouffe. Sano is the future Prince Fielder (at best)--refer to todays thumbnail about fielder and TX.

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    No mention of Park? He may be the most valuable trade chip this team has, if he can prove he can adjust out of this recent slide.

     

    I don't think anyone can be considered off limits at this point, given the state of the team. There is something toxic in that clubhouse. My guess is the veteran leadership -- or lack thereof (Mauer, Plouffe, Dozier).

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    No, he isn't blocked. First, he is in the major leagues.  Second, he will be replacement value defensively like he win the minors, and third he is preventing himself from being a top-hitter--not Plouffe. Sano is the future Prince Fielder (at best)--refer to todays thumbnail about fielder and TX.

    I would agree with your general premise, that a lot of the frustration this season is based on prospects not performing and gets taken out on the veterans also not performing.  

    You lost me at the Prince Fielder comparison, although it is interesting.  Would I take a Fielder like career from Sano?  (a few good years and then ship him off)  Probably.  Plus remember when Lew Ford lost that pop up?  



    http://www.theonion.com/graphic/prince-fielder-dies-of-inside-the-park-home-run-9910

     
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    The Twins are so bad, that Billy Beane probably couldn't trade anyone away if he was general manager of the team. Trader Billy may be trading on his own team, but at least there is some demand for some of his assets. Whew!

     

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    At least a couple teams would jump all over Trevor Plouffe. He's a solid hitting and fielding 3rd baseman. Nunez is hot, so a real contender could use him as their utility guy. 

     

    Don't trade Trevor May. The team that grabs him will instantly make him a 5th starter, and then he'll work his way to the middle or top of their rotation for the next eight years, winning between 12 and 15 games each year. We must see the difference between Twins mismanagement and May's ability. He can be very good, if the organization doesn't screw him up. Same goes for several young players. Hi, Alex Meyer!

     

    Oswaldo Arcia wouldn't get much, but he looks like a far better player today than he did a year ago. Some team might want a young lefty corner outfielder with some power who is improving all aspects of his game. 

     

    Agreed that Hughes and Nolasco wouldn't get much of anything right now, which is why it's better to stash them in the bull pen and figure out something in the off season. Gibson should be worth something in trade. He's still looks the part of a useful middle ro guy. 

     

    Most of these contemplated moves are not an attempt to grab a pirate's haul of prospect booty. This is just flushing out the bilge of a stagnant roster. Har, bring me a bucket of fiery new blood, so we can have a round of fresh new misadventures! Har!

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