REPORT: Twins Investigating Giants Over Sam Dyson Trade

Yes. Something is rotten here. Is it just Dyson? I mean, why wouldn't he bring it up? Did he just want to get out of San Fran for some reason? Something is fishy, if not rotten. Rotting fish, maybe.

Weren't the Giants trying to compete at the deadline? If they knew Dyson wasn't going to contribute so they decided to flip him.

If it can be proven, the Twins should get 1 of their prospects back.

“Dyson, however, informed the Twins shortly after joining them on July 31 that he has been pitching with some discomfort, dating to a July 15-17 series against Colorado. He said he’s had aches before and ad pitched through them.”

If Dyson sought treatment while with SF and it was omitted in his medical records the Twins have a case here. If he told the Giants staff about his soreness and that he was fine pitching through it as he had in the past, and treatment wasn't necessary, then the waters become murky. I suppose you could argue that morally the Giants are shady by not disclosing that Dyson had some discomfort but I'm not sure they're obligated to disclose that if Dyson himself isn't claiming any aliment. 

It doesn't seem like the Giants are at fault, at least from what I've read. It sucks that this injury has developed when it did, but I'd just chalk it up to bad luck.

That this became public is going to have repercussions. It could make it harder for both teams to make trades in the future. If teams think the Giants are peddling damaged goods, teams might be reluctant to deal with them. In the same vein, if teams think the Twins are going to make a stink to deflect attention from the fact that they didn’t do their due diligence they may be reluctant to deal with Falvine.

That this became public is going to have repercussions. It could make it harder for both teams to make trades in the future. If teams think the Giants are peddling damaged goods, teams might be reluctant to deal with them. In the same vein, if teams think the Twins are going to make a stink to deflect attention from the fact that they didn’t do their due diligence they may be reluctant to deal with Falvine.

This....This...and........oh yeah.....This

Teams that are in the chase at the deadline, as the Giants were, don't usually trade away one of their better relievers for prospects. I know from reading posts from Giants fans that many were shocked to see Dyson traded....I think the Giants suspected something was amiss.

I'm going to give the front office a mulligan over this. Simply because they have done fantastic work putting this team together. They've made mistakes on Lynn and Dyson, but for the most part, they've been a solid front office. 

They have been  a bit lucky but Lynn and Dyson were actually two very good moves that were unlucky.   Dyson was going to immediately be one of our top relievers but for the injury.  Lynn was 11-8 with a 3.43 ERA the year before he got here and has a 15-11 and 3.75 ERA right now with the Rangers.   If by mistake you mean they should have kept him then yeah, he would look pretty good as our 3rd starter right now.

The article didn't say anything about 'the Twins investigating Giants'. You make that sound like there is an official ongoing investigation when the article you linked said this:

 

"The situation led to discussions between the Twins and Giants to determine what they knew about Dyson’s condition before the deal was made. The Twins have been unable to find any evidence that the Giants had knowledge of an injury.

 

So Dyson and the Twins are bracing for surgery — and the possibility that Dyson, who’s arbitration-eligible for next season, won’t return to the mound until the middle of the 2020 season."

 

So, how is this some major REPORT? It doesn't sound like there is anything more than they made inquiries and found nothing intentional on the Giants' part and are moving on.

If I am unable to find any evidence, that means I was looking for evidence, which I haven't found (yet, perhaps), which to me (and the Cambridge online dictionary), is a definition of investigation = "the act of examining something carefully, esp. to discover the truth about it."

I want Jaylin back, and we'll call it a wash.

Weren't the Giants trying to compete at the deadline? If they knew Dyson wasn't going to contribute so they decided to flip him.

 

If it can be proven, the Twins should get 1 of their prospects back.

I think Wei Tang should be returned to the 36 chambers.   36 chambers has ALWAYS been my nickname for the Twins. 

It turned out to be a bad trade, but did we lose anyone who was going to make a difference for the Twins in the next two years?  

If I were the Twins I would simply go after SF paying Dyson's salary and close the books.

Seems like it should be pretty simple to ask Dyson, "did you tell the Giants your shoulder hurt? tell us everything about that conversation." If he says anything like "they said not to worry about it" or anything else that dissuaded him from making a big deal out of it, then you have something to take to MLB for a third party to make some sort of judgment.

That said, the judgment isn't going to be "let's give the Twins their prospects back." That's not happening unless what Dyson tells them is they gave him a series of cortisone shots and other medical treatments and scans and none of that appears in his files. And if I had to wager my house, I'd wager that's not what Dyson will say.

If I'm the Twins, I'm discussing this with the League Office. If Rocco can detect that Odo is warming up a little weird and pulls him for precautionary reasons, how is it the Giants staff didn't have any idea Dyson was pitching for weeks with discomfort? I'm not buying it. I want compensation.

I don't see any problem with what the Twins did, assuming their medical staff did review whatever the Giants forwarded to them.  When deals are made minutes before the deadline, a physical isn't practical.  None of us has seen those records and don't know what they say.

And the Giants also probably aren't at fault, unless there was knowledge he was more than aching and didn't include it in the reports.  

Don't know what the league does in situations like this.  Probably would be best if they could work something out between themselves and not get the league involved.  Should they return one of the pitching prospects, I would be happy.

With Buxton's future always up in the air, Davis most certainly did figure into the Twins future, particularly the way his second half went. while he didn't do anything with his September call-up, thats no big deal. The guy was in AA half the year and wouldn't have come to AAA had it not been for injuries. He was slated to go back to AA, but then he started hitting (in much the same way Arraez did) making it impossible to send him back down. The kid is a huge talent. Giants thought so too. I watched him play for 41 games, mostly with mouth wide open in awe. We all felt he was going to be a good insurance policy against Buxton. (we also mused that the Twins have a history of letting good CF'ers go!)

Shenanigans with the Giants? No one will ever know. I have felt from the start that he was damaged goods, whether the Giants knew or not. The player knew. You don't pitch as poorly as he did when he got here if there wasn't something wrong. And if he looked like that while in SF, Twins wouldn't ever have given him a sniff. The way he pitched here was indicative of someone who had something wrong...and it didn't 'just' happen when he donned our jersey.

The Twins should ask for Kai-Wei Teng back.