Ranking the Trade Value of Twins Corner Outfielders

I understand that Kepler & Gallo bring many of the same things to the value table making moving him enticing.  However, one of those things each brings to the table is actually showing up at the  table.  Each of them has played more games the last two years than Larnach & Kirlloff combined.  The prospect of trading Kepler and having to run guys like Gordon, Garlick or Contreras out to the corner outfield spots is not appealing. Unless that goal is something other  than winning baseball games.

I think Kepler is the most likely to be tradded.  Walner is young and inexpensive right now.  Martin hits from the right side and has a fairly high cieling, so I wouldn't trade him at least not this year.  Kirilloff and Larnach have high cielings. That leaves a Kepler package for pitching or a right handed OF bat.  I don't see him being traded for another OF lefthanded bat.  That wouldn't make sense to me.  We have some very nice prospects that could be added in a package deal but I would hold firm on the other four outfielders for now.

While Kirilloff and and Larnach have more value they also haven't been much worse or better than Kepler at the plate and they have a lot more years of control left.  The Twins thing to do would be to move the higher salaried player IMO.  Also Keplers ceiling appears to be known while Kirilloff, Larnach and Wallner are somewhat unknowns at this point. Certainly they could trade anyone of those players for the right deal I just think Kepler makes the most sense.

BTV is interesting for fans. I wonder how it compares to the evaluations of a team. The oft-stated match between the Twins and Marlins or the Twins and Padres may be a myth if Miami and San Diego have zero interest in any of the players on the Twins roster or vice versa. We have seen the value of Martin, Kepler, Kirilloff, and Larnach totally crash on BTV in less than one year. Thus, I'm not sure there is any value whatsoever in these players until they show their skills and health are still relevant. It seems like Miami could use a talent like Trevor Larnach or Max Kepler and the Twins could benefit from a player like Edward Cabrera. San Diego seems like a match as well. However, there has not been anything tangible yet to emerge regarding the players from this post and I'm left feeling like these guys might still be Twins in June.

IMO the only player who makes the most sense right now is Wallner because I agree with you that his trade value is close to his ceiling and that always makes the most sense.

The other mentioned are at a low ebb of their trade value & I wouldn't trade any of them right now. Only possibility is if we can trade Kepler for front-line SP like Marquez (CO) or Montas (NYY) that'll bounce back. I'd never trade Kepler for a couple of poor players & or poor lotto tickets.

June we can trade Kepler & Gallo, hopefully for something.

I, for one, do not want to give up on Martin yet.  He has been highly touted most of his career as someone who can be an impact player.  While yes, he has not yet met those high expectations - he also is still young.  Sounds a lot like Gordon who we were pretty happy to have last year.

In regards to values,  I think Kirilloff and Larnach are low due to their injuries.  Kepler is low due to his performance so these are accurate.  Wallner is about right.

As for trades, I like keeping potential with lots of control years remaining.  Therefore, I'd be for trading Kepler first as his value will probably not improve unless they feel he will take a jump with the shift changes.

I would not trade Kirilloff or Larnach and am open to trading Wallner.  Let's let Kirilloff and Larnach regain their value this year, assuming they are healthy, and then revisit them at the deadline.

the trade values site is garbage

1 hour ago, bloggymcbloggerson said:

the trade values site is garbage

No, it's not. Compare their trade values on recent trades. Most of the mock trades are garbage.

Cody, you left out Nick Gordon and Eduard Julien. Gallo can replace Gordon in CF.

I agree that Wallner might be at his peak. He's Gallo without defense. 

If the Twins trade Kepler, who plays right? I guess that what spring training is all about.

Teams know the Twins have (currently) too many outfielders. What can they actually get for Kepler, compared to his worth to the team.

Sadly, barring breakout spring trainings, I would just as soon see Larnach, Celestino and Kiriloff start the season in St. Paul to get back up to speed and worry about Kepler (and maybe Gallo) shining enough to be seasonal trade bait.

Of course, we suddenly have a logjam at St. Paul. Wallner is also in the mix and would be nice to play him in the field instead of making him a permanent DH. And is Martin or Lewis an outfielder, or shortstop. Twins, make decisions on players and where you truly want them to play AND succeed. Going forth.

Kepler has the least amount of teams looking to deal for him.  No rebuilding team would give up much for him, as he would not fit their timeline.  That leaves playoff level teams, but they are less likely to deal from their MLB roster, outside of bullpen, or back of rotation guys.  Maybe, if they near MLB ready guy at a position of depth.  So if you are looking for someone to help out this year for Kepler, you will be limited to mid pen guys or back end rotation guys most likely.

For the other 4, all could be traded to either rebuild teams, or competing teams.  If they are for rebuild teams you could get someone ready to help now, but still not likely for ready to help now guys from teams looking to compete.  

I get we have a ton of depth, and not enough playing time.  Kepler is most likely out the door, but do not expect much for him in my opinion. 

If Larnach has that much value I would be looking for the teams or teams that believe it.  He doesn’t look anything special to me and I’m the same mold as the others, but plays the worst defense of them all.

I believe Kepler is going to thrive with the shift ban.  I’d actually like to see a Kepler Gallo and Buxton OF with Kirilloff and Gordon sprinkled in and Garlick against LHP

38 minutes ago, High heat said:

If Larnach has that much value I would be looking for the teams or teams that believe it.  He doesn’t look anything special to me and I’m the same mold as the others, but plays the worst defense of them all.

I believe Kepler is going to thrive with the shift ban.  I’d actually like to see a Kepler Gallo and Buxton OF with Kirilloff and Gordon sprinkled in and Garlick against LHP

It would have looked neat had you put sprinkled after Garlick.  ?

I look at it like this, what good does it do to trade someone with no trade value?  So after looking at the trade values I'd trade Kirillof or Larnach.  I mean if you trade Larnach then you still have Kirillof; if you trade Kirillof then you still have Larnach.  They are worth the most, so then we'd get the most from them??  Kepler is still under contract for this year and next because of an option.  So you can go with Gallo, Buck, and Kepler in the OF with Kirillof/Larnach whoever stays splitting time in the OF, 1B, and DH and Gordon also splitting time between the OF and a little INF, and you have Garlick also sitting on the table.  Walner and Celestino are both strong depth pieces in AAA than can come up in case of injuries.  If they are going to trade someone, might as well trade someone that can actually bring something back??

8 hours ago, dxpavelka said:

I understand that Kepler & Gallo bring many of the same things to the value table making moving him enticing.  However, one of those things each brings to the table is actually showing up at the  table.  Each of them has played more games the last two years than Larnach & Kirlloff combined.  The prospect of trading Kepler and having to run guys like Gordon, Garlick or Contreras out to the corner outfield spots is not appealing. Unless that goal is something other  than winning baseball games.

Gallo is our new RF. Pretty sure Gordon starts 100 games in LF. Another 30 in CF.

Larnach will play some LF & will DH. Kirilof some LF but more at 1B & some DH. Walner may beat out Gallo by August.

Kepler - Pagan - López for a starter would be super!! 

Please remember Kiner-Falefa - and trade Gallo.  I hate that signing so much.  We can and should do better. 

3 hours ago, Lonestar said:

No, it's not. Compare their trade values on recent trades. Most of the mock trades are garbage.

nah, i still think it's pretty bad. the site says caleb thielbar and byron buxton have the same amount of trade value.

2 hours ago, Twodogs said:

I look at it like this, what good does it do to trade someone with no trade value?  So after looking at the trade values I'd trade Kirillof or Larnach.  I mean if you trade Larnach then you still have Kirillof; if you trade Kirillof then you still have Larnach.  They are worth the most, so then we'd get the most from them??  Kepler is still under contract for this year and next because of an option.  So you can go with Gallo, Buck, and Kepler in the OF with Kirillof/Larnach whoever stays splitting time in the OF, 1B, and DH and Gordon also splitting time between the OF and a little INF, and you have Garlick also sitting on the table.  Walner and Celestino are both strong depth pieces in AAA than can come up in case of injuries.  If they are going to trade someone, might as well trade someone that can actually bring something back??

Agreed, letting Kepler go for little or nothing makes no sense. Can’t realistically think playing Kepler every day instead of Gordon every day in our outfield makes good sense offensively. Signing of Gallo (not thrilled about) means Kepler has to go - no question. I’d prefer to keep Kepler & have never heard of the Gallo signing!! Not real.

Celestino - Walner - Kepler - Sands - Winder - Pagan - López - Jeffers are all pieces we can put together for pitching or a RH bat or both.

I’d like to see Walner develop into a masher in MN - love to see Jeffers hit .245 & improve defensively in MN - Seeing any of these 4 pitchers become effective would be great in MN……….can’t all happen & probably none of it happens with guys in front of them.

Please use multiple trade pieces together so the return really has value!!!

I'm going to play devils advocate here.  Why is no one talking about the possibility that Gallo plays LF and Keper stays in RF?  Kiriloff and Larnach are going to have to prove they're healthy.  Gordon is a utility guy.  Kiriloff will play plenty of 1B if healthy.  I've also heard the FO thinks Gallo can be very good 1B.  I'm not sold that Kepler has one foot out the door.

Everyone of these guys besides Kepler has more value to the twins than any other team at this point. Don’t trade away great young talent! 

6 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

Gallo is our new RF. Pretty sure Gordon starts 100 games in LF. Another 30 in CF.

Larnach will play some LF & will DH. Kirilof some LF but more at 1B & some DH. Walner may beat out Gallo by August.

Kepler - Pagan - López for a starter would be super!! 

Gordon starting 130 games in the outfield has the ring of another 78 win season.  Can't wait.

Kepler should be traded, Gallo might be shipped at the deadline if Larnach/Kirilloff/Gordon/Wallner are all healthy and major-league ready, I could see one of that foursome being shipped for pitching at the deadline or next off-season (most likely Larnach) but they should be kept until we see a full healthy season of each of them.

16 minutes ago, Karbo said:

IMO Gordons playing time will be decided by how well he plays. Was last year a "career" year or the beginning of his turning into an above avg. hitter? Only time will tell.

He's and infielder masquerading as a corner outfielder--with limited power.  That's got disaster written all over it if you're expecting a hundred starts as such.

Is it just me, or did we have this conversation just a few years ago?  When we had Kepler, Buxton, and Rosario and Cave as the 4th, with plenty of prospects like Kirilloff, Larnach, Garlick, and Celestino chomping at the bit waiting for a chance.  Wasn't that the reason we felt we could let Rosario walk away for nothing?  We had more than enough prospective replacements?  And how many of those guys have taken the job and ran with it, establishing themselves as an integral part of the OF?  Now we have a new crop of great prospects coming up?  Do we really?  If so, why would we possibly need a Gallo to supplement the roster?  Or is this 2020/2021 all over again with the glut of outfielders and what do we do with them?  Just asking...........?

41 minutes ago, Karbo said:

Do you remember Michael Cuddyer?

hold on you're not comparing nick gordon to michael cuddyer are you? 

WE MUST TRADE!!!!!  sorry mob, 

Be prepared for your Opening day starting OF to be Gallo, Buxton, Kepler.

There has been zero discussion on this being the best defensive OF in baseball.  You don't think that will help our SP?

Our FO seems to build a roster with hope ,,, you can't succeed in building a team with hope that they can find away to make them perform differently  for us then they did with other teams ... 

THE FANS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT SHOULD HAVE THE HOPE ...

GALLO was not the right choice to add to the roster but if the front office  hopes he produces they can maybe trade him at deadline  ...  

We got a catcher at a position of need  , we haven't fully filled the other holes the right way ...

We lost a few of our better hitters in trades or free agency so the younger players are going to have to stay healthy and produce ....

That's my story and I'm sticking to it  ....