Organizational Misstep or Market Inefficiency? How The Minnesota Twins are Betting on Older Stars

The initial year of using a system to keep players fresh was quite encouraging. 

Ironically, the Twins were really banged up in September. The entire outfield was injured. Buxton was out, Rosario played on one leg, and Kepler had a bum wing.  Polanco played through an injury and Cron was nearly incapacitated with his thumb hurt. Injuries happen. Let's hope for the best down the stretch this season.

If anything, the ‘inefficiency’ is the incredibly horrible job of drafting and developing pitching that goes back several years now. Once enough bats arrived to produce a competitive club, this regime has been forced to get creative in putting a pitching staff together...especially given the financial parameters they are required to work with.

I'm adding a nap room to my office at work. Great idea!

“With all of this analytical evidence showing that major league baseball is trending younger and teams are shying away from signing older players, why have the Minnesota Twins been pursuing aging stars over the past couple years? What value is there in acquiring these aging stars?“

They’re probably signing them because they’re good, and the overwhelming majority of their roster is a good deal under 30.

It's probably not an inefficiency if you're spending $92 million for it.

I agree older experience, leadership & values are invaluable. I believe we wouldn`t have accomplish close to what we did w/o Cruz. Puckett was great in creating a tradition of great center fielders by his mentoring. Good investing isn`t always chasing after a commodity that everyone else is after. But seeing the value of what isn`t

As you mention, it appears the Twins are adding all these old guys.  Yet, looking at the likely starting 9 hitters on opening day, seven are young and/or just entering their prime. 

The starting rotation is another story, or is it?  Just may have two young guns firing off the mound to start the season.  Once there, they may not want to give their jobs back to the older guys when ready.

The Nationals did it. Worked.

Free agents are old. If they are high caliber you are either signing them old or giving them a contract well into their 30s.

Want a younger team less expensive team? Don’t sign free agents.

In my opinion the age issue is that baseball never figured out who was a player that knew how to play versus a player that was just that athletic in their young years and prime.  What do I mean by this?  Every player eventually reaches a point where they cannot get by on their individual athletic talent, but they can still learn to win.  

Pitchers are normally the biggest ones that run into this issue.  Once they lose velocity they do not know how to actually pitch, ie mixing location, speeds, movement.  Some learn how to do this an become a great junk ball pitcher late in their 30's and early 40's.  Speed helps, but really keeping hitters off balance is key to pitching well.  So if the pitchers they are bringing in at late age can do this, then go for it.

Hitters, I believe, is more about work off the field that keeps them being able to play.  If they can stay in shape they can keep playing late into career.  The biggest problem is some do not put in the work needed, or their body just cannot keep up if they are putting the work in.  They did not forget how to hit, but they may lose some bat speed.  I think to know if a player can play late into their 30's is what kind of work ethic do they have, and how did they get by early in career.  It was mentioned long ago on this site, but Buxton is a guy that really should not be extended, unless he can show that he can hit without using his speed as main attribute.  This is because he will lose that speed when he ages, everyone does, and since he gets by on that mostly I would expect big drop off. 

It is not about signing and going for young players, but it is seeing through the number and figure out who will make the adjustments as they get older.  

25 free agents age 34+ have signed contracts this offseason. 20% of them have signed with the Minnesota Twins.

 

Have the Twins signed a proportionally greater number of free agents also?

Why 34? Why not 36 or 32? Would it look the same?

On the Twins current roster -- 8 players have been acquired via free agency. 5 of those 8 were 34 years or older. 7 of those 8 players were age 32 or older.

 

The only current member of the Twins who was signed as a FA under the age of 32 is Michael Pineda.

 

The young crop of players have all been home grown talent.

Sure, but the majority of the roster is quite young. They’ve signed a few guys to contract extensions—why not suggest that’s their M.O.?

I just don’t think there’s a meaningful trend here. If anything, these veteran signings tell us that they view free agency mainly as a way to supplement their homegrown core.

It’s not a deliberate action to sign older free agents as part of a greater strategy. It’s just that these are the only types of free agents they choose to be involved in because of cost.

A high-end player in his prime (Cole, Strasburg, and Rendon this year) is just never going to happen. But, once that star player crosses the age 30 threshold and accumulated a few injuries, the price may be in the wheelhouse of the Twins’ budget.

I don’t think it’s a great way of doing business. You’re going to get burned more often then not, probably, and the self fulfilling prophecy of “small market team” just keeps running a circular course, as we’ve seen here for decades.

I heard somewhere recently that the Astros made $60M just in the postseason in 2017. A couple of good postseason runs basically recoups the majority of any of these huge contracts. It’s when you go half-assed like the Twins historically have, when you can’t win a playoff series and corner yourself with financial constraints.

If anything, the ‘inefficiency’ is the incredibly horrible job of drafting and developing pitching that goes back several years now. Once enough bats arrived to produce a competitive club, this regime has been forced to get creative in putting a pitching staff together...especially given the financial parameters they are required to work with.

This team has been absolutely horrendous at raising its own starting pitching.  I challenge anyone to make a list of the three best starting pitchers we drafted and developed over the last 20 years.  We are among the worst teams at doing this, possibly the worst.

I think they are doing a fine fine job. Cruz was a marvelous oldster choice, and it ha been a series of single year contracts. Hill brings playoff experience. Donaldson will hopefully be the vet leader. Maybe didn't need both Clippard and Romo in the pen, but both showed signs of being viable relief arms. Both are on single year contracts and can be moved aside if younegr arms prevail.

You never ever know with prospects. The Twins MAY have a homegrown rotation come 2021, or probably in 2022 (depending on Berrios). They actually are set up to give multiple pitches a shot at major league starts to beging the season, then exile to the minors to learn to improve, and then back again. Last year the Twins five starters performed beautifully starting the majority of games. We got see see enough of Thorpe and Dobnak that they could be the short-term mix. Smeltzer, Poppen could still be swing arms or more. Graterol has the real stuff, just needs seasoning and time...but watch out 2021 with him.

Looking at the oldsters: Donaldson, Cruz, Romo, Clippard, Hill and even Bailey...are any of them preventing a youngertalent, today, at the moment, from getting playing time in the majors. Sadly the answer is "no." There are guys that could be worked into the picture, pushing some of them aside towards the end of the year (depending on the standings). And except for Donaldson, none are expected to contribute beyond this season. If they do, hopefully the Twins experience will see them come back.

I've got two thoughts on this.  First, this 52-year old die-hard Twins fan wishes you all would stop referring to 34-year olds as "old guys"!!...lol.  Second, there are 24 days until pitchers and catchers report!!

Call them missteps when they sign the wrong players that are old. So far, the signing of Nelson Cruz last year was the best in baseball. He was fantastic. 

Donaldson is the other one. He was studly last year and likely is again for another few seasons. 

The rest of that list is low risk IMO. They aren't paying them much and they are on short term deals. Besides that, they are players that aren't what I would call "main" players they are counting on anyway. If they bomb out, DFA and move on. They are basically place holders with experience that may or may not work out. 

It's a calculated and smart strategy, for the most part, in the various FA they have signed. (And let's be fair, not everyone signed the past few years has been over 30).

Don't have a DH or someone we want to move there at this time? Sign an outstanding bat and team presence for that role.

Really like some of the young arms for the pen but want some proven experience without locking up a long term deal considering the volatility of the life of a RP? Add Romo and Clippard with proven results and no long term comitment.

We can argue about Donaldson. We can argue about the value of 30yo or over SP available this past offseason. But the plan and results are pretty clear to me; fill in and augment holes, or add to the team in general, without handcuffing $ for extensions, guys next offseason, or block some of the bright kids getting close.

It's not like MLB was having an over 30yo blue light special and we backed up the truck to build a team.

I like the way the new regime will put an injured player on the injured list right away and bring up a replacement player. It used to drive me crazy when they'd have an injured player sitting on the bench, wouldn't put in on the IR list, but then Gardy would complain about being shorthanded.  A head shaker...

That was definitely not unique to the Twins organization. What is different is the rule change from the 15-day minimum to the 10-day minimum for the injured list that took place before the 2017 season. That rule has been modified for the 2020 season. The minimum for pitchers on the IL will be 15 days so there won't be as much use of the IL to manipulate the pitching staff in the future. Adding the 7-day concussion IL also has come into play.