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    Seth Stohs

    On Tuesday morning, the Twins made four roster moves leaving their roster at 25. The Twins optioned LH RP Ryan O'Rourke and RHP Tyler Duffey to Rochester. They also re-assigned LH RP Logan Darnell and RH RP Brandon Kintzler to minor league camp.

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    In dropping four players and getting the spring training roster to 25, the Twins most likely have their Opening Day roster. That said, with five days until Opening Day, anything can happen.

    LH RP Fernando Abad has not yet been added to the Twins 40-man roster. The Twins theoretically could still take Michael Tonkin off of their 40-man roster if there is someone else they would like to add from another organization.

    There were a couple of big stories in today's transactions.

    First, Ricky Nolasco "wins" the 5th starter job. Tyler Duffey was optioned to Rochester where he will work through some things. It was clear that he would need a third pitch (probably the change-up he's been working on to be a viable long-term starter. He was asked at the beginning of spring training to work on it. He did, and he struggled. So it makes sense to send him to Rochester where he can continue to work on that pitch. But it was more than that. Duffey noted that in some games hitters were sitting on his curveball, and hitting his fastball. While fans (and in my opinion, the Twins) wanted Duffey to be in the rotation to start the season, it is clear that he needs to work through a couple of things. I expect Duffey will be back with the Twins within four to six weeks, though Jose Berrios will likely factor into the timing as well.

    As for Nolasco, it is my opinion that his salary got him an opportunity to be in the rotation, but it was more about Duffey's issues that allowed him to actually be in the rotation. His numbers were certainly not inspiring in spring training. Then again, he's healthy and his curveball is terrific. It would be nice if he could return to the form from his days in Miami. I don't know that I would expect it. (I wouldn't.) His leash could (and should) be short.

    The other possibly controversial decision is keeping Michael Tonkin on the roster. While he is out of options, he really struggled for the first month of spring training. However, he has been very good his last three or four outings. He throws 94-96 and he does have a slider that can be effective. He's certainly not a guy who you would want to lose for nothing.

    As their roster is currently set, the Twins really don't have any relievers who can throw more than two innings. If the starters do their job most times out, that shouldn't be an issue, but a couple of consecutive sub-four inning starts and it could create issues. Then again, they are fully capable of calling down to Rochester and calling guys up in those scenarios. Brandon Kintzler is a veteran who will go to Rochester. No word on whether he's got an opt-out at some point in the season.

    It does appear that Fernando Abad has made the roster. He will still need to be added to the 40-man roster before Monday. Two weeks ago, Mike Strong was removed from the 40-man roster so there is a spot. Abad is the only left-hander in the bullpen aside from closer Glen Perkins.

    Ryan O'Rourke and Logan Darnell had very solid camps. O'Rourke did what O'Rourke does. He gets lefties out, and did better (in the small sample) against right-handed bats. Logan Darnell would have been the options as a long-reliever.

    So, as of right now, the Twins Opening Day roster looks like this (subject to change):

    SP - Ervin Santana, Kyle Gibson, Phil Hughes, Tommy Milone, Ricky Nolasco

    RP - Glen Perkins, Kevin Jepsen, Trevor May, Casey Fien, Michael Tonkin, Ryan Pressly, Fernando Abad

    C - Kurt Suzuki, John Ryan Murphy

    IF - Joe Mauer, Brian Dozier, Trevor Plouffe, Eduardo Escobar, Eduardo Nunez, Byung Ho Park

    OF - Eddie Rosario, Byron Buxton, Miguel Sano, Oswaldo Arcia, Danny Santana

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    Not too bad, pretty much expected.  Let's see if the starting rotation can build from the big improvements last year.  (Specifically ERA)  A full season of Santana and Gibson looking sharp should increase the K/9 marginally right?  We all know Nolasco can't be relied on for a full season.  When do people see Berrios coming up, assuming he starts out strong in AAA?

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    Duffy's performance is a huge bummer to be sure. Maybe I'm naive, but I didn't expect it. It could be quite the battle in AAA as to whether he or Berrios is promoted first. And contract or not, you're right, Nolasco has to have a short leash. The Twins would be better off tossing money at nothing than money at poor start after poor start.

     

    Never saw Tonkin making the club until his recent hot streak. I sincerely hope he keeps it going. Sure seems like Darnell or O'Rourke really deserved a spot.

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    Would this be the right time to slide Tonkin through waivers in the hopes that he doesn't get claimed? Considering other teams are settling in with their 25 man rosters and trades are rarely made during this time of year... I get it, he's had a couple of good outings lately. I'm still going to beat that drum that he's not going to be someone the Twins miss if he's let go. 

     

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    I'm not going to hate on this move. I hope Ricky Nolasco has a sub-3.00 ERA and 15-20 wins and is in the Cy Young conversation. 

     

    I hope he does well, period. Because players who do well are good for the team. Even if they're not on the team over the long term because they can become trade bait come the All Star Break. 

     

    I'm not the biggest fan of basing decisions off a limited ST performance. But I also understand that Ricky Nolasco will cost the Twins $25 million over two years and there is no way the Twins can recoup that if he is a long reliever. If you're going to make a decision based on ST, give the first nod to the guy making $25 million in the hopes he performs at least well enough to become trade bait so you can open up a spot for Duffey or Berrios. 

     

    Do I think the Twins should have signed him in the first place? Nope. Do I think the Twins should have traded him over the offseason? Yes. But I also believe the Twins tried to trade him and couldn't come to a deal. And I believe that if he remains injury-free and pitches up to his capabilities he could become a trade candidate at some point this year. 

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    So many people on this site predicted Nolasco would make the rotation.  I really hope he does well.  On the other hand, I really would have preferred to see Berrios in the rotation from the start.  If Nolasco does poorly for 4-5 starts while we confirm that Berrios is too good for AAA four more times, and the Twins end up 2 wins from making the playoffs, I'll be very unhappy with the front office.

     

    What happens to Nolasco gets rocked?  Does he go to the bullpen?  AAA? Released?

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    This is about what I predicted from the start, but I really thought they might waive Tonkin to add Kintzler, but I am grateful they didn't.  I guess they could still pick up another veteran cast-off this week, but I'd be rather surprised.

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    Would this be the right time to slide Tonkin through waivers in the hopes that he doesn't get claimed? Considering other teams are settling in with their 25 man rosters and trades are rarely made during this time of year...

    I don't think there really is a right time to slip someone through.  There are always enough teams looking to snag a player, even if only to put him through waivers themselves a few weeks later.  Tonkin should be able to collect MLB paychecks from someone for the next month or two, at least.

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    Would this be the right time to slide Tonkin through waivers in the hopes that he doesn't get claimed? Considering other teams are settling in with their 25 man rosters and trades are rarely made during this time of year...

    ABSOLUTELY the right time, if not next Monday. Get Tonkin through waivers and bring back O'Rourke as a second situational LHRP. If Tonkin goes, life goes on. Zach Jones will be back in the Twins system by then.
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    Duffey "needed" a third pitch?  He didn't before--and this 'advice" can from perhaps the worst pitcher-development franchise in baseball (if 15 years of statistics are useful).  Instead of wasting himself on what doesn't work--Duffey should focus on what does work.

     

    Not gonna argue with your assessment that the Twins have not been one of the better teams in developing their own talent.   However, it should be pointed out that Neil Allen, only has one year of service with the team, and by all accounts it was pretty decent.   Utilizing the change up is kinda Allen's thing, as many Rays' pitchers can validate.   So with that in mind, I'm ok with Duffy working on this 3rd pitch.   Last year was a pretty small sample size, so this is one of those times you have to leave it up to the coaching staff, that they know best.

    Hopefully they are right.

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    ABSOLUTELY the right time, if not next Monday. Get Tonkin through waivers and bring back O'Rourke as a second situational LHRP. If Tonkin goes, life goes on. Zach Jones will be back in the Twins system by then.

    Why O'Rourke? Picture Casey Fien facing David Ortiz with bases loaded and two outs and no LHP available.
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    ABSOLUTELY the right time, if not next Monday. Get Tonkin through waivers and bring back O'Rourke as a second situational LHRP. If Tonkin goes, life goes on. Zach Jones will be back in the Twins system by then.

    Not so fast on Jones.  The Brewers are putting him on the DL.  They still have plenty of time to evaluate him.

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    I would guess they'd just release Nolasco.

    Obviously it depends a bit on the shape of the performance, but I have a hard time thinking they'd release Nolasco right from the rotation.  He'd still likely do a stint as a long reliever like Edwin Jackson did, at least until his replacement established himself and we didn't need him for depth anymore.  If another player got injured around the same time, we wouldn't even have to drop anyone from the roster for him.

     

    That said, I don't think Nolasco is likely to pitch that poorly.

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    I can't believe they actually ended up giving Nolasco the last spot, I mean, good lord, if you needed any more proof that Terry Ryan is a poor choice to be GM of a team that wants to compete for championships this is more than enough.

     

    Shame on Terry.

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    Or maybe Duffey should go back to the bullpen, where two pitches works....though his 2 and 4 seamers are really two different pitches, imo......I don't know, but I hope they make the decision some time this year, because he's not young

     

    I would be 100% on board with Duffey to the pen and May to the rotation.

     

     

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    Not so fast on Jones.  The Brewers are putting him on the DL.  They still have plenty of time to evaluate him.

    "Jones, Zack (P) Right shoulder soreness Expected to begin season on disabled list as of March 25 update".

    Thanks, I missed the "March 25 update"

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    Interesting to note this is the second year in a row where a bad veteran starting pitcher told hte media they basically would refuse to goto the pen if the team asked them to, and the second year in a row we have given a rotation spot to these bad veteran starting pitchers (Pelfrey and now Nolasco)

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    So no one figured out Duffey last year in AAA or during the pennant race in the fall but that is small sample size while a mediocre spring while working on a pitch is somehow a decider?      I am not against working on the third pitch but his curveball was pretty special last year especially all the variations on it and his fastball was decent.    What did you mean sitting on his curveball and hitting his fastball?    If you meant they were letting it go that is a fairly easy solution of simply throwing his curveball for strikes which he showed he was able to do last year.  I think Nolasco was overrated when they signed him but probably underrated now so it would not surprise me if he did a decent job in the 5 spot but I had higher expectations than that from Duffey.

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    My only real concern is that the rotation and the bullpen are made up almost entirely of guys the team can't send down.

     

    What happens if/when any of Berrios/Duffy/Burdi/Chargois/Meyer/Rogers/Melotakis et al., out pitch the guys in the majors? I'm not sure the team will feel comfortable DFA'ing anyone other than Abad or Tonkin. I don't like the corner they are painting themselves into, are we going to have to wait for injuries to see the young guys?

     

    We shouldn't assume an injury, and it would be even worse of us to wish for one.

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    It is a safe roster - not losing players without a minor league option, putting the highest paid players in the rotation.  Okay - what will this team look like in July?  I hope Nolasco pitches well enough to be traded, but that would have him in the rotation until trade deadline - not to my liking.  Duffey had a gimmick - a curveball that fell off the table, but nothing else.  The evaluations that TD does exceeds everything that was in baseball two decades ago and the majors have to have even more tools.  So a gimmick has to be backed up with other talent and Duffey is going to need all year to put the other pitches on a major league value.  Berrios, has talent, talent comes through and he will be the young pitcher in the rotation as soon as someone blows out something or just blows up.

     

    In the American League the bench is just not essential so they have a nice mix, but the question is how they keep young players interested when they are primarily sitting?

     

    The bullpen really does need May because I am not excited about what is there.  I fear Tonkin is AAAA and Fien, Abad, Pressley are fillers.  I am anxious for the young studs to move in and these guys to move out.   

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    My only real concern is that the rotation and the bullpen are made up almost entirely of guys the team can't send down.

     

    What happens if/when any of Berrios/Duffy/Burdi/Chargois/Meyer/Rogers/Melotakis et al., out pitch the guys in the majors? I'm not sure the team will feel comfortable DFA'ing anyone other than Abad or Tonkin. I don't like the corner they are painting themselves into, are we going to have to wait for injuries to see the young guys?

     

    We shouldn't assume an injury, and it would be even worse of us to wish for one.

     

    Yes.  There will be some opportunities due to injuries, doubleheaders, etc., but not necessarily the long-term openings that folks seem to assume (i.e. "Duffey up around May 10th, Berrios around June 10th").

     

    It's most problematic in the rotation.  If Nolasco stays around career averages (90 ERA+), he could easily last most if not all of the season.  And he's the guy with the shortest leash.  They have demoted Milone before, but never to the bullpen.

     

    In the bullpen, Tonkin is out of options, and I am somewhat surprised that they didn't waive him this spring, so they could do it in-season.  Technically Fien and Pressly still have options, but I don't see them getting demoted.  I think Abad is pretty safe as a veteran lefty if he's around his career average 105 ERA+ too (the "Duensing effect").

     

    Of course, given the team we brought into spring training, and how they performed, this was probably the team I would have taken north too.  I just want to see a quick hook with some of these guys -- league/career average shouldn't be enough to keep a spot for too long.

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