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    Seth Stohs

    We are now just over a week from Opening Day. As we get closer to Opening Day, I somehow feel much less certain about my predictions for the roster. The questions that were there at the beginning of the camp, to some degree, remain. In the meantime, a couple more have presented themselves.

    This morning, the Twins optioned Max Kepler to Rochester, and Ryan Sweeney was given his release from the organization. There are now 35 players remaining at big league spring training. That’s nearly half of the number that began big league camp, but within a week, the Twins will have their final roster by dropping nine or ten more players (depending upon DL needs).

    So, I thought it would be a good time for one final Roster Projection before Opening Day to discuss some of the remaining questions. Share yours below.

    Image courtesy of Tyler Duffey (by Evan Habeeb, USA Today), Byron Buxton (by Jerome Miron, USA Today), Michael Tonkin (by Tim Fuller, USA Today)

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    (As always, this is just a projection, a prediction of what a roster could look like on Opening Day. It is fully my opinion based on observation, reading, and too much time thinking about such things. Names in bold are givens, in my opinion.)

    Starting Pitchers (5):

    Ervin Santana, Kyle Gibson, Phil Hughes, Tommy Milone, Tyler Duffey (remaining: Logan Darnell)

    The top three pitchers have been announced as the Twins opening series starters. They have yet to name the fourth and fifth starters, so there are some questions. In my mind, Tommy Milone has been a given all along, even if they haven’t said it yet.

    So, it really comes down to Tyler Duffey and Ricky Nolasco. Nolasco has pitched better, especially of late. Duffey has, frankly, struggled. They each have one more start to go before a decision would be made, and maybe they could both go to Washington and make starts before a final decision is made. I’m going to leave it at Tyler Duffey, but I feel very little confidence in that right now. In my mind, the Twins brass needs to ask this question; Is it better to have a two-pitch Duffey in the rotation right away, or better to send him to Rochester for two months to attempt to improve his change-up? Frankly, if he doesn’t develop the change-up as a quality third pitch, his long-term future is likely to be in the bullpen.

    Relief Pitchers (8):

    Glen Perkins, Kevin Jepsen, Trevor May, Casey Fien, Fernando Abad, Ricky Nolasco, Michael Tonkin, Ryan Pressly (remaining: Ryan O’Rourke (40), Brandon Kintzler, Dan Runzler)

    First, I think if Tyler Duffey is not named the fifth starter, he will be optioned to Rochester. However, if Nolasco is not a starter, they will have to move him to the bullpen. That’s just the reality. We will see how that goes. So, that’s either zero or one roster spot.

    The first five names listed above are givens. No question about that in my mind. Though Abad hasn’t been great, I feel that he is going to be given a spot. Removing Mike Strong from the 40-man roster makes that even more likely.

    So there are five givens, and since I show Duffey as starting, that would make Nolasco a given as well. That puts us as six, and I think that Ryan Pressly has earned a job. I bolded his name above as a given, but not 100% certain.

    The elephant in the room remains Michael Tonkin. When I was there eight days ago, he was not good, and I was certain that he would not make the roster. In his most recent outing, he threw two terrific, perfect innings. He still throws 95. He has a slider. It just hasn’t translated well to the big leagues, though he was better last September.

    The other option, and the option that I’m projecting today, is going with a 13-man pitching staff. That isn’t ideal in the middle of the season much less at the beginning. No one wants that. Molitor and Ryan know that isn’t ideal. But, if they have any belief in Michael Tonkin, they won’t let him go for nothing. (Note – I also think that Terry Ryan may be trying to make a trade.)

    Catchers (2):

    Kurt Suzuki, John Ryan Murphy (likely sent down yet: John Hicks (40), Juan Centeno)

    Coming into spring training, it was pretty much a given that Suzuki would start and Murphy would be his backup. They added some quality AAA depth in John Hicks and Juan Centeno, a couple of 26-year-olds. 24-year-old Murphy has just two hits in 25 at-bats and has thrown out just one of six base stealers in camp. We all know that spring stats don’t mean much at all, and Murphy is someone they believe in. He needs to work with the big league pitchers. That said, you could argue that if Duffey, Berrios and Meyer are in the Rochester starting rotation, you could send him down for four to six weeks and have him work with those guys. If that were to happen, Hicks would be the Opening Day backup.

    I still expect John Ryan Murphy to back up Kurt Suzuki to start the season.

    Infielders (6):

    Joe Mauer, Byung Ho Park, Brian Dozier, Eduardo Escobar, Trevor Plouffe, Eduardo Nunez (sent down yet: James Beresford)

    These spots are pretty much already set. Beresford is still around, showing that he is likely in line for that Doug Bernier role that we’ve seen the last three years. If there is an opening for a backup infielder, I think Beresford is that guy. If there is an injury and they would need more of a starter (at SS or 2B), they would likely call up Jorge Polanco.

    Not a lot more to say with this group. These have all been givens throughout the spring, and also remember that Danny Santana can play three infield spots as well.

    Outfielders (4):

    Eddie Rosario, Miguel Sano, Danny Santana, Oswaldo Arcia (sent down yet: Byron Buxton (40), Darin Mastroianni, Carlos Quentin)

    All- right, here is where things get interesting for Twins fans, and more so, for Twins pitchers. Byron Buxton came to camp given the opportunity to win the starting center field job. He missed a couple of games with illness and one due to rain. He has been good, as expected, in the outfield. He has had a couple of good offensive games. Most of the time, he’s had a couple of bad at-bats each game, and one or two OK (or even good) at-bats as well when getting three or four plate appearances. I am starting to wonder if Buxton could start the season in Rochester. As we have said above with Duffey, or as we see with the Kepler demotion, there has to be a fine line between wanting to have the players on the big league roster with doing what is best for the players and the team in the short term and long term. It might be ideal for him to go to Rochester for a month and lead off every game. Get him as many at-bats as possible. Right now, I feel like the odds of Buxton being on the Opening Day roster right around 50/50.

    If this is the outfield that they went with on Opening Day, there would be two possible outfield configurations lineups:

    1.) Rosario (LF), Santana (CF), Sano (RF), or

    2.) Arcia (LF), Rosario (CF), Sano (RF)

    Obviously Arcia would be able to play right field as well to give Sano a day off if needed. Santana can at least cover some ground in the corner spots as well.

    If Buxton is sent down, I don’t think it would be for very long. The Twins aren’t going to want to stay at 13 pitchers for very long. They want his defense and speed patrolling center field for the big league pitchers.

    I’d also add that I think if Terry Ryan could trade Michael Tonkin before Opening Day, then Buxton would be in the big leagues and the Twins would have 13 hitters and 12 pitchers.

    The Twins have just a few really tough decisions to make in the next seven days. I see there being 22 givens to be on the roster (pending injury, unexpected trade, etc.). That means three roster spots are up for grabs between these players:

    (Tyler Duffey, Michael Tonkin, Byron Buxton, John Ryan Murphy, John Hicks, maybe Ryan O'Rourke)

    YOUR TURN

    Let’s see your rosters for Opening Day and what you would do.

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    Here is how I see the Opening Day roster....

     

    LF-Rosario, CF-Buxton, RF-Sano, 3B-Plouffe, SS-Escobar, 2B-Dozier, 1B-Mauer, C-Suzuki, DH-Park

     

    Bench: Nunez, Santana, Arcia and Centeno (I think Murphy gets sent to AAA for a month or so to gain confidence)

     

    Starters: Santana, Gibson, Hughes, Milone and Nolasco (Duffey goes to AAA to team with Berrios and Meyer)

     

    RP: Perkins, Jepsen, May, Fien, Abad, Pressley and Runzler (who has had an "ok" run in the majors so far).

     

    13 Position players

    12 Pitchers

     

    Buxton needs to be in CF and learning to the majors.  I actually feel kind of bad for Quentin as he hasn't done anything to NOT make the team, but faith is still held for Arcia to break out.  Problem is, by next year we could have Rosario, Buxton, Sano, Arcia and Kepler...can't keep them all.

     

    As for the Nolasco/Duffey debate, Nolasco is a .500 pitcher, which works well in the 5th spot of the rotation.  Then add in the money he is being paid.  Let Duffey figure out a change-up at AAA.  The hope can be that Nolasco has a better than decent year and is tradable at the deadline.  And actually, who would you rather have pitching, Nolasco, Duffey or Berrios?  But I also think Nolasco will be on a very short leash.

     

    Then the bullpen....ugh.  Ok, Perk, Jepsen, May (I actually prefer him in the BP), Fien, Abad and Pressley are pretty much givens.  That last spot is the only real spot I see open.  And I would like another lefty, and will give the nod to Runzler, who has been ok in the majors so far in his career.  O'Rourke had a taste last year, but realistically, he hasn't even chewed up AAA yet, so maybe he needs to cut his teeth there a little more.  The dream would be that O'Rourke figures it out quickly and Fien loses it, that would make 3 righties and 3 lefties.  My only problem with this BP then is that there is no long man, unless May or Pressley take that spot.

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    Here is how I see the Opening Day roster....

     

    LF-Rosario, CF-Buxton, RF-Sano, 3B-Plouffe, SS-Escobar, 2B-Dozier, 1B-Mauer, C-Suzuki, DH-Park

     

    Bench: Nunez, Santana, Arcia and Centeno (I think Murphy gets sent to AAA for a month or so to gain confidence)

     

    Starters: Santana, Gibson, Hughes, Milone and Nolasco (Duffey goes to AAA to team with Berrios and Meyer)

     

    RP: Perkins, Jepsen, May, Fien, Abad, Pressley and Runzler (who has had an "ok" run in the majors so far).

     

    13 Position players

    12 Pitchers

     

    Buxton needs to be in CF and learning to the majors.  I actually feel kind of bad for Quentin as he hasn't done anything to NOT make the team, but faith is still held for Arcia to break out.  Problem is, by next year we could have Rosario, Buxton, Sano, Arcia and Kepler...can't keep them all.

     

    As for the Nolasco/Duffey debate, Nolasco is a .500 pitcher, which works well in the 5th spot of the rotation.  Then add in the money he is being paid.  Let Duffey figure out a change-up at AAA.  The hope can be that Nolasco has a better than decent year and is tradable at the deadline.  And actually, who would you rather have pitching, Nolasco, Duffey or Berrios?  But I also think Nolasco will be on a very short leash.

     

    Then the bullpen....ugh.  Ok, Perk, Jepsen, May (I actually prefer him in the BP), Fien, Abad and Pressley are pretty much givens.  That last spot is the only real spot I see open.  And I would like another lefty, and will give the nod to Runzler, who has been ok in the majors so far in his career.  O'Rourke had a taste last year, but realistically, he hasn't even chewed up AAA yet, so maybe he needs to cut his teeth there a little more.  The dream would be that O'Rourke figures it out quickly and Fien loses it, that would make 3 righties and 3 lefties.  My only problem with this BP then is that there is no long man, unless May or Pressley take that spot.

    I think Abad, Centeno, and Runzler would all have to be added to the 40-man, and it's at 39 right now. I would guess they just go with Tonkin for the last bullpen spot. Centeno is probably behind John Hicks on the depth chart too.

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    Starting Pitchers (5):
    Ervin Santana, Kyle Gibson, Phil Hughes, Tommy Milone, Ricky Nolasco

    Relief Pitchers (7):

    Glen Perkins, Kevin Jepsen, Trevor May, Casey Fien, Fernando Abad, Ryan Pressly, Dan Runzler

    Catchers (2):

    Kurt Suzuki, John Ryan Murphy

    Infielders (6):

    Joe Mauer, Byung Ho Park, Brian Dozier, Eduardo Escobar, Trevor Plouffe, Eduardo Nunez

    Outfielders (4):

    Eddie Rosario, Miguel Sano, Byron Buxton, Oswaldo Arcia

    Utility (1):

    Danny Santana

     

    Tyler Duffey - AAA to battle for next man up when one of the starters gets injured

    Michael Tonkin - wherever fate takes him - traded, lost on waivers, or AAA

    John Hicks/Juan Centeno - AAA to start, then part of a 3-headed John/John/Juan rotation of backup catchers running back and forth between MLB and AAA with Murphy

    Ryan O'Rourke - AAA...which I think is kind of too bad. I think he's a good piece.

     

    I'm not sure how that all works out with the 40 man though, so maybe this is all nonsense.

    Edit: too many relievers

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    I've seen two posts predicting Dan Runzler making the team, and I'm not sure why. He had a 5.26 ERA in about 37 innings at AAA (PCL, but still) with almost 7 BB/9 last year. He's also only got 2 Ks in 8 innings this spring.

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    Starting Pitchers:Ervin Santana, Kyle Gibson, Phil Hughes, Tommy Milone, Ricky Nolasco
    Relief Pitchers:Glen Perkins, Kevin Jepsen, Trevor May, Casey Fien, Fernando Abad, Ryan Pressly, Michael Tonkin
    Catchers: Kurt Suzuki, John Ryan Murphy
    Infielders: Joe Mauer, Byung Ho Park, Brian Dozier, Eduardo Escobar, Trevor Plouffe, Eduardo Nunez
    Outfielders: Eddie Rosario, Miguel Sano, Byron Buxton, Oswaldo Arcia
    Utility:Danny Santana

     

    It's a lock.

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    Also the Twins usually have 2 or 3 off days in February making me think the Twins will start the season with 7 relievers instead of 8

    The Twins usually have a lot more than 2 or 3 off days in February. :)

     

    Actually, during the season, 3 off days per month is standard.  The only months that don't have 3 off days are July (all-star break) and August (2).

     

    But I agree, 7 relievers is by far the likeliest configuration.

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    I've seen two posts predicting Dan Runzler making the team, and I'm not sure why. He had a 5.26 ERA in about 37 innings at AAA (PCL, but still) with almost 7 BB/9 last year. He's also only got 2 Ks in 8 innings this spring.

    Yeah, I'm not understanding the Runzler predictions either.  Unless they mean Kintzler?  :)

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    I think Buxton sticks in CF.

     

    Nolasco in the rotation, Duffey to AAA.

     

    Jetttison Tonkin from the 40-man. If he clears, fine. If he doesn't, well, he doesn't really fit in long-term with Burdi, Reed, Chargois on the horizon. 

     

    More importantly, grab a 3rd lefty for the pen...either Runzler or O'Rourke. Here's why: Look at the early schedule for the first month and all the big-stick lefties we'll need to face.  First two series - Chris Davis, Pedro Alvarez, Mike Moustakas, Alex Gordon, Eric Hosmer. There's a little gap where the Angels and Brewers don't have a scary LH hitter. But then we run into the Nats and Indians. Bryce Harper, Michael Brantley and Jason Kipnis. Early season screams for an additional one-hitter, situational lefty out of the bullpen. Can't burn Abad for one hitter every game.

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    My gut tells me Buxton will continue to struggle at the major league level - but will get the opening day spot.  I do think he will be on a relatively short leash however.  If he is not producing by mid-May he could get sent down.

     

    Not sure what this all means for Tonkin. The Twins seem to be stacked with right handed relievers in the minors.  While it would be a shame to run the risk of losing him through waivers - it may be what they are faced with to get Buxton on the roster.  

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    My gut tells me Buxton will continue to struggle at the major league level - but will get the opening day spot.  I do think he will be on a relatively short leash however.  If he is not producing by mid-May he could get sent down.

     

    Not sure what this all means for Tonkin. The Twins seem to be stacked with right handed relievers in the minors.  While it would be a shame to run the risk of losing him through waivers - it may be what they are faced with to get Buxton on the roster.  

     

    Huh? Buxton is a center fielder, Tonkin is a relief pitcher

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    I think Quentin has a chance to make the team. Sano will have to be yanked out of the lineup almost every game for defensive reasons and Molitor is going to need a bat for the late innings after he's forced to pull his cleanup hitter. They will start the season with Sano, Rosario, and Buxton with Quentin and hopefully Arcia. Mastroianni has a decent minor league deal so he's probably the first guy called up even before Kepler in my opinion. Honestly they have a number of good options right now in the outfield. I wish they weren't trying to stash Sano but my guess is that sorts itself out in the first 2 months of the year.

     

    Ryan seems to have found a way to make the bullpen worse than last year which is kind of impressive considering how many options he had to make it better. They could have almost complete turnover over the season. I only trust Jepsen and May at this point. The closer is a question mark and the rest of them are replacement level on a good day. I would start with Pressly, Fien, and Tonkin (since he's out of options) and maybe Abad although he's looked pretty average. O'Rourke is useless. Hopefully we see a number of prospects by June or July.

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    Huh? Buxton is a center fielder, Tonkin is a relief pitcher

    You need to read the story.  Seth was discussing whether the team will carry 13 pitchers or 12.  If they give Buxton a roster spot, along with Sano, Santana, Arcia and Rosario - they will need to make a choice on the number of pitchers they carry.   If they send Buxton down, they can keep Tonkin. 

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    I hate to even ask this, but...

    If there is some wavering on Buxton as the Opening Day CF, how long would he have to be in AAA to gain another year of control? Late July-ish?

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    I have serious questions about whether Nolasco's difference between FIP and ERA is based on 10 years of bad luck or rather his skill in pitching with runners on base. His career splits with runners on base are very different than with bases empty. Maybe he only has bad luck with runners on base or maybe it is a skill. If it is a skill, it is one that shows up in ERA and not FIP.

     

    In either case, the starting rotation is the spot. He is the last pitcher I want coming in with runners on base. I would suggest the Twins start him and give him a very short leash with runners on base innings 5 and later. Let's see how he does his first 8 starts. If he doesn't perform well, release him and go with Duffey or Berrios. If Nolasco can pitch as a mid rotation starter this year, it will go a long way toward a successful season.

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    Is there a discernible difference? 

     

    Different throwing arm, about 5 inches in height and a good 40 lbs.

     

    You don't want the lefty around if you are cooking in your back yard...

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    Yeah I was going to comment, I'm not sure how he sees Arcia and Quentin making the team.  

     

    Quentin has hit the ball ok this Spring, I don't think that changes anything that everyone said back when he was signed. He doesn't fit the roster in the least... I could see him making sense if Park was so overmatched in Spring they needed to send him to AAA, but that's obviously not the case

    Both Arcia and Quinten can make the team if they carry 12 pitchers to start the season

    I do see Quinten as DH insurance.  Kind of like a Jim Thome when he was here (the second season he was here) .  but when I made my comments earlier I was looking at each one on their own merits.  meaning Quinten hasn't done anything to not deserve to make the team at this point.  and Arcia wasn't showing the results needed to make the team either.  so either could make the team and is justified or both. 

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    Buxton will travel north with the team. The 'out of options 3' all go north as well but the leash is short.

     

    If this team starts cold like last year plan B goes into full effect. Plan B might be some young flame throwers, Polanco, Quentin, Duffey, and Hicks.

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    I think starting Buxton in the majors could be a mistake, I think if they could have him start in AAA for a month or two and gain some confidence at the dish it would do a World of good for his game. Unfortunately, plan B is to have either Santana in the OF everyday, or Arcia and Sano in the OF every day, yikes.

     

    Tonkin needs to be cut. He just doesn't have the upside warranted to give him a major league roster spot and "wait" to see if he figures it out. Let him TruTV catch on somewhere else and maybe he ends up being an ok 6th inning type.

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    I've seen two posts predicting Dan Runzler making the team, and I'm not sure why. He had a 5.26 ERA in about 37 innings at AAA (PCL, but still) with almost 7 BB/9 last year. He's also only got 2 Ks in 8 innings this spring.

     

    Yeah, I'd be shocked too if he made it.

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    I hate to even ask this, but...
    If there is some wavering on Buxton as the Opening Day CF, how long would he have to be in AAA to gain another year of control? Late July-ish?

     

    A long time... which means that this decision, whatever they decide, is solely based on baseball reasoning, not any of that business, service time stuff.

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    You need to read the story.  Seth was discussing whether the team will carry 13 pitchers or 12.  If they give Buxton a roster spot, along with Sano, Santana, Arcia and Rosario - they will need to make a choice on the number of pitchers they carry.   If they send Buxton down, they can keep Tonkin.

     

    1) Tonkin is not in a competition with Buxton, never has been, never will be.

    2) I would put the odds of carrying 13 pitchers to start the season somewhere between 0 and 1%, but lean much closer to the 0 side of that.... It's absurd to even discuss the possibility

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    If Buxton starts the year in AAA, which I don't think will happen, I could see Mastroianni getting the start in center.

     

    Then Ryan would have learned zero from 99+96+96+92

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    Buxton starts the season and bats ninth? Or lead-off?

     

    Arcia is the bat off the bench. In a pinch, Nunez and Santana can supposedly play the outfield, too.

     

    Tonkin gets the magic coupon and stays on the roster. But if he doesn't produce, and the Twins need to flip out Buxton for, say, Mastro, then Tonkin is the odd body to go.

     

    Barring an injury, the Twins really don't have many names to remove on the 40-man roster. Tonkin is one. Pat Dean is another. Then you start getting into Landa, O'Rourke, Pressle, Graham, Rogers or letting go Fien if he doesn't stay consistent. Or even Polanco or Vargas. But besides the first two mentioned, you pretty much WANT to keep everyone else, barring a trade. (The Twins have some hard 40-man decision for 2017).

     

    So picture some of the raw talent pitchers seeing action if someone goes on the short-term DL. And Polanco, Vargas and Kepler are it for minor league position player call ups!

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    My guess would be

    Santana

    Gibson

    Hughes

    Milone

    Nolasco

     

    Perkins

    Jepson

    May

    Fien

    Abad

    Pressley

    O'Rourke or Tonkin

     

    Mauer

    Dozier

    Plouffe

    Escobar

    Nunez

    Park (dh)

     

    Buxton

    Rosario

    Sano

    Santana

    Arcia

     

    Suzuki

    Murphy

     

    Id actually like to see Centino or Hicks as that backup catcher for the first month of the season just to get Murphy regular PT.  Then bring him up in May.  Suzuki wont be all worn down the first month of the season, so he wont need as many days off until they get into the warmer months of the season.  Also Centino looks pretty good stat wise, 4 extra base hits in 15 at bats.  Not bad

     

    Also, there will be tons of turnover during the season, there always is.  Heres to hoping that Buxton doesn't need to be sent down halfway through the season a la Aaron Hicks, etc....

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