Luis Arraez, Carlos Correa, and Max Kepler Named Gold Glove Finalists

2 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

This can't be real. Arraez and Vlad Jr? What are we doing here baseball world?

1st I'd like congratulate Arraez, Kepler & Correa.

And Bogaerts at SS, What do they use to rank these players for GG?

Well, batting average always used to be a big part of it…

I though Arraez metrics were not good at first base, did they improve that much?  I know in the past offense played a huge roll, but I thought now they actually looked at the metrics. 

oof, guess they're struggling to figure out 1B defense? or maybe it was just particularly uninspiring this year?

Luis is weirdly a decent choice out of these finalists, but he only played 65 games there. Vlad played more games there, but wasn't terribly good, but was better than Rizzo? I guess it's better than the year that Palmeiro won it while spending 80% of his time at DH...

Here is the process for determining the GG winners:

https://www.rawlings.com/gold-glove-criteria.html

Arraez and Kepler would both be deserving.

As much as I bash Kepler's hitting, especially grounding into the shift, he is A+ in RF and deserves the gold glove.

Somebody must have bribed the committee. 

4 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

Here is the process for determining the GG winners:

https://www.rawlings.com/gold-glove-criteria.html

Thanks Fire.

Selected by managers and coaches. I'm impressed.

Take the recognition and say, "Thank you very much."

ONCE AGAIN WE SAY - GOLD GLOVE IS MEANINGLESS.  RIDICULOUS. 

Hmmm...  my defense calcs give the 1B Gold Glove to Paul Goldschmidt (STL) and Ryan Mountcastle (BAL), Luis very middle of the pack, but better than Miranda. Vlad for a GG . . . really? I've got Vladdy pegged for the worst "D" at 1B for any player playing more than 250 innings. Worst of the worst? Harold Ramirez (TBR).

I could see Kepler winning it, but Arraez is a 'heck no', and Correa is a probably not.

8 hours ago, mikelink45 said:

ONCE AGAIN WE SAY - GOLD GLOVE IS MEANINGLESS.  RIDICULOUS. 

The process of selecting the winner seems like a good combination of old school and new school, at least on the face of it. Seven coaches from each team vote and they also use the ABR Defensive Index (SDI).

Voting Rules

The Rawlings Gold Glove Award® represents overall fielding excellence, and it is not an award based solely on fielding metrics and statistics, nor does it factor in offensive production.

Only the manager and six (6) coaches for each Major League Baseball team vote, for a total of seven (7) votes per team. Each person must sign the completed Ballot in order to be considered valid.

Managers and coaches cannot vote for their own players and can only vote for players in their own League.

Managers and coaches cast votes for players at particular positions, not in general terms; i.e. qualified LF instead of three general OF.

Eligibility for a Rawlings Gold Glove Award closely follows qualification standards set forth in MLB Rule 10.22 (Minimum Standards for Individual Championships). Only players listed in the resource guide are eligible for a Rawlings Gold Glove Award at the specific position listed. For rules on player qualification for a particular position, please see the “Notes & Glossary” section of the resource guide. Qualified players are sorted in alphabetical order.

The votes are confidential between Major League Baseball and Rawlings Sporting Goods Company, Inc.

SABR Defensive Index

The SABR Defensive IndexTM (SDI) is a measure of the number of runs saved by a player's defensive performance over the course of a season, compared to the average defensive player at that position. The SDI combines measures from six (6) different defensive data sources and includes factors that rate the defenders arm strength and accuracy, range and his sure-handedness, along with the number of “excellent” and “poor” fielding plays he makes. The SDI also incorporates a rating for a player's ability to turn double plays (2B and SS), fielding bunts (primarily P, C, 3B, and 1B) and scoops of throws in the dirt (1B). For catchers, blocking balls in the dirt and stolen bases/ caught stealing are also included. For pitchers, the SDI includes his ability to hold runners on base and control the running game.

A positive SDI number indicates that a player was above average compared to other players at his position this season. Conversely, a negative SDI number means the player performed below the league average at this position this season.

I'm with Mike Link on this one.  I know offensive stats have ALWAYS found their way into this calculus.  How else can you explain Rafael Palmiero winning one when he was the Orioles primary DH years ago??  But the Arraez nomination just floors me.  He's basically still learning position.  Would anyone ever confuse Luis with Hrbek, Mattingly or Wes Parker ?  Luis had a great year with the bat.  An "O.K." year with the glove.  Not bad, but not Gold Glove worthy.  That's my assessment after watching 160 of the Twins 162 games this past season.

Happy for Max.  He deserves it.  Correa is a premium glove at SS.  He should be there because few are better throughout ALL of baseball.  Watch Bogaerts win it.  That would be laughable.

1 hour ago, TopGunn#22 said:

I'm with Mike Link on this one.  I know offensive stats have ALWAYS found their way into this calculus.  How else can you explain Rafael Palmiero winning one when he was the Orioles primary DH years ago??  But the Arraez nomination just floors me.  He's basically still learning position.  Would anyone ever confuse Luis with Hrbek, Mattingly or Wes Parker ?  Luis had a great year with the bat.  An "O.K." year with the glove.  Not bad, but not Gold Glove worthy.  That's my assessment after watching 160 of the Twins 162 games this past season.

Happy for Max.  He deserves it.  Correa is a premium glove at SS.  He should be there because few are better throughout ALL of baseball.  Watch Bogaerts win it.  That would be laughable.

Hrbek, Mattingly and Parker are not eligible for a Gold Glove this year.

21 hours ago, Trov said:

I though Arraez metrics were not good at first base, did they improve that much?  I know in the past offense played a huge roll, but I thought now they actually looked at the metrics. 

Arraez's metrics are rather amazing at 1B.

Of the three Twins players, he likely has the highest odds of emerging the victor, particularly if voters pro-rate a bit to give him credit for a full season, considering the circumstance in which he became the team's 1B.

Max might have a chance.

These awards are a joke. Arraez? It is like when Dozier actually won a GG. Comical.

And have you seen on the official Twins page that Correa wins almost all of them that weren't pithing? What a suck up. If Correa would have been producing in the first half of the season ... then we might have been up to 20 games over .500 instead of peaking a 11. Total suck up joke. Awards are worthless and all about markenting and not about actual important performance, especially in at bats that really counted.