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    Greggory Masterson

    Fans who were frustrated by the lack of a competent multi-inning reliever in 2022, and also are bewildered that Emilio Pagán is still on the team, may want to look away from their screens.

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    Gone are the days of Terry Mulholland. At least in Minnesota, you will rarely see a strange man sitting at the end of the bullpen bench who will, five times a month, run in to pitch four or five innings of low-leverage relief, only to retreat into the shadows until the next week, when his arm is needed again.

    The Twins tried to employ such a pitcher in 2021 when Randy Dobnak broke camp with the club as a long reliever. However, the team struggled to find him regular work, which had two adverse effects—it used a bullpen spot, and Dobnak (who was very much in their plans fresh off his five-year extension) could not continue to develop with the erratic schedule.

    That is not to say that the team doesn’t send guys out to eat innings occasionally; it simply works differently in the modern game. Instead of retreating to the end of the bench, they typically ride the green line back to St. Paul in favor of a fresh arm.

    The bullpen seems set in most people’s minds, with some hierarchy featuring Jhoan Durán, Jorge López, Griffin Jax, Caleb Thielbar, Emilio Pagán, Jorge Alcala, Jovani Moran, and Trevor Megill—each of whom has seen a good deal of Major League work. However, all are considered short relievers to one degree or another.

    This concentration of short relievers became a point of consternation in 2022, as the bullpen was stretched to cover four to six innings most nights. The team tried not to throw players on back-to-back games either, and you don’t need to be a math major to understand why that’s untenable with an eight-man bullpen.

    Twins Manager Rocco Baldelli doesn’t want to face that again this year, and a long reliever is a big part of that. “I personally think our best bullpen has, and always has, one option that can give you 50-75 pitches out of the bullpen. I’d like to carry someone like that at all times.”, Rocco said Friday to Twins Daily’s John Bonnes and the other Twins beat writers.  “Is that going to be the case? No, we probably won’t be able to do that in all 162. But I think having someone like in the vast majority of our games will be very helpful. I also think we have those guys.”

    Given that, we may see the likes of Cole Sands, Josh Winder, Jordan Balazovic, Ronny Henriquez, or Brent Headrick called up to do something similar. Sands, Winder, Henriquez, and Headrick may be prime candidates, as they seem most likely to be relievers eventually (though Henriquez is also dealing with a sore elbow.). Calling a player up like this is more the exception than the rule when it comes to divvying up innings, though.

    Although the Twins could roster someone like Dobnak or Sands to be a-low leverage option, it’s debatable whether that will happen practically. I’m interested in speculating on how the Twins might get bulk work from this group—even if that doesn’t mean employing a true fulltime long reliever. I dug through 2022 usage patterns for Twins relievers with more than 15 innings and five relief appearances.Four types of usage profiles emerged in doing this. 

    Short Relief
    The first is true short relief. Players like Joe Smith, Thielbar, López, and Michael Fulmer rarely threw more than an inning, and none had an appearance of two or more innings. They were also the most likely to be used on back-to-back days, with each over 20% of their appearances on zero days’ rest.

    Long Relief
    On the other side of the spectrum were pitchers predominantly used in long relief. There were two of those guys—Sands and Aaron Sanchez. Sanchez threw five relief outings, pitching 5, 3.1, 3, 3, and 1.2 innings. Had he been on the roster all season, he would have been a true long reliever, but he only filled this role in September after rosters were expanded. However, the Twins signed him as a minor league free agent this winter, so he is another option to fill this role at least partially.

    Multi-Inning Relief
    Then we get to the guys who were used somewhere in the middle, which is probably the modern version of a long reliever. Some of these guys were green line regulars, like Moran and Jharel Cotton. They threw more than one inning between 25% and 50% of the time, often when ahead by more than four runs or trailing.

    Although Moran and Cotton were sent down after multi-inning appearances several times, Trevor Megill remained on the roster after his initial call-up in 2022, despite having options remaining and throwing more than an inning 30% of the time. Megill’s usage was a bit all over the place in terms of leverage, and he may present the biggest question mark regarding his role for the 2023 bullpen, assuming he breaks camp with the team.

    Role Changers
    Finally, we have a group of pitchers that fluctuated between groups. The most pleasant surprises last year were Durán and Jax. Both players began the season as freshly-converted starters pitching multiple innings in the middle innings, but they transformed into predominantly one-inning guys.

    Both threw more than an inning about a quarter of the time, but most of those appearances came at the beginning of the year. For example, Jax recorded more than three outs just thrice in the last 100 games of the season.

    In the opposite direction, Emilio Pagán and Tyler Duffey began the season as single-inning options. They were converted into Cotton-esque innings-eaters by the end of the season due to performance reasons. Pagán, in particular, was an interesting case, as he took on more innings but was also relied on to throw in back-to-back games quite often. If there is one positive trait most can agree on, it’s that Pagán possesses a rubber arm.

    So What Will We See?
    At the beginning of the season, at least, the betting money would have to be on Megill, Moran, and Pagán being run out for multi-inning appearances. Suppose Pagán continues his improvements from late in the year (ironically in his new, low-leverage role). In that case, he may be in line for a hybrid role, lower on the bullpen hierarchy, but still trusted in some close games, depending on the rest status of other arms.

    Many fans are clamoring for Moran to be used as a second lefty rather than a long reliever, and if he develops control, he may be more suited for that role. Similarly, if Megill stops leaving balls middle-middle, he can ride his 100 MPH fastball a long way.

    Bulk innings may be given to whichever arm is freshest from that group, and if one emerges as a primary or secondary setup man, they may actually lead the bullpen in innings, taking the Griffin Jax path.

    There may be a rotating cast of waiver claims, semi-prospects, and minor league veterans at the end of the pen, soaking up innings before returning to St. Paul, or being jettisoned into the sun, never to be seen or heard from again. However, between Pagán, Moran, and Megill, the Twins may have a group who can fill multiple innings at a time while also seeing a moderate amount of medium-to-high-leverage innings.

     

     

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    I was hoping Griffin Jax was going to be that go-to guy for long relief.

    The Twins don't have the roster spots to do regular switch outs of fringe pitchers this season, so if they truly want long relief in the bullpen, they get to use up options on folks like Sands, Winder, Henriquez and anyone else on the 40-man, but listed as a starter.

    Of course, the secret is to get AT LEAST six innings out of four of the five rotation arms. Happily THIELBAR and MORAN can both go into a second inning. 

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    35 minutes ago, Rosterman said:

    Of course, the secret is to get AT LEAST six innings out of four of the five rotation arms. Happily THIELBAR and MORAN can both go into a second inning. 


    THIS!

    I understand--and like the research behind--the analytics on pitchers facing an order a third time.  But since I've been watching the game--1966--pitchers went deeper into the game with regularity if they weren't getting shelled.  

    JcS

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    I think Aaron Sanchez and Cole Sands are the right picks for a multi-inning relief role. I would like to see regular starts for Ober, Varland, SWR, Henriquez, Winder and Dobnak at AAA, maybe even in a 6 man rotation. That would keep the backup starters available without blowing too many innings in AAA when we know we will need most if not all of them in Minnesota this season. That leaves Sands out but he looks like a reliever at the MLB level. He also leaves Balazovic in AAA but at this point that may be where he best belongs. I especially don't want to make Henriquez a multi-inning reliever yet. He's young, has velocity and is developing his secondary pitches. We should let him start as long as we can. Same for the other 5 guys. Let's not forget, we only have 2 of the projected 5 starters signed for next year. 

    I'd like to see them use Sands and/or Aaron Sanchez in the multi inning bullpen role. That may create some issues with 40 man spots but I think both could be effective. I would start with Sanchez on the Twins and Sands as a multi-inning guy in AAA, knowing that there will be movement in that role.  

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    Not long ago teams carried long relievers mainly for garbage time in blow outs.  Generally those guys were long-time minor league starters who couldn't crack a major league rotation.  Now with starters only going 4 or 5, there is a greater demand for long relief, but contracts haven't caught up to that demand.

    Most long relievers, I'm sure, would rather be starting or working in short relief where the money is.  

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    The Twins have suffered for many years with a chasm between comfortable innings for SPs and short relief. The result has been over depending on some short RPs and over extending them , then going to poor secondary short RPs options & finally over-extending the SPs.  Resulting in blow outs of primary BP and rotation going into the post season with 0 post season wins for how many years?

    The solution has always been long relief which has never been correctly incorporated. Dobnak entered the '21 season with a great ST & new SO slider. Dobnak talent was his high GB rate but they wanted to convert him into a SO pitcher. Instead of having him slowly incorporate that new SO slider in key SO situations they had him use that pitch on a constant basis. He couldn't maintain that firm grip & left that pitch hanging & got hammered until it totally screwed up his middle finger. 

    I'd debate that Dobnak should've been brought in as a SP (w/o the focus on his new pitch) or at least bring him in a long relief situation where he could win a game not as mop up or high leverage in the experimental "ghost runner". Mop up should should be designated to losers which can not be trusted with any other situation, where Pagan would be a good candidate. Until they can show otherwise.

    '22, FO suggested a piggy-back strategy (a form of long relief) which was a great idea because of probably our greatest chasm ever between short relief and SPs. But it was never incorporated which resulted again in injuries, ineffectiveness & lost games.

    Now we probably have the smallest gap we've had for years but long relief is still a good idea to be a safe guard. & coming from Baldelli, I'm more hopeful that it'd finally happen. Winder & Sanchez has proven to be a good long relief/ spot SP and Sands in a less demanding role. If Ober, Varland or SWR can adapt to long relief it'd be a good spring board to get extra MLB innings in. 

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    IMO we need pitchers in the long relief role who don't make mistakes, have live arms & good action on their pitches. With the pitch clock, the Twins can't afford to have marginal guys as long relievers, or else the game will get away from them. They need to be good like Ober. I'm not confident about Jax pitching more than 1 inning. Sometimes he's got it but other times he doesn't. I wouldn't want guys who have already been passed over as starters. Moran is another guy that I don't have enough confidence in. He's a lefty but doesn't pitch enough strikes. Pitchers that rely on pitches way out of the zone for K's are bound to produce more BB's. Once they start letting guys on base then Rocco will need to go back to the BP which defeats the purpose of long relief in 2023.

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    4 hours ago, Rosterman said:

    I was hoping Griffin Jax was going to be that go-to guy for long relief.

    The Twins don't have the roster spots to do regular switch outs of fringe pitchers this season, so if they truly want long relief in the bullpen, they get to use up options on folks like Sands, Winder, Henriquez and anyone else on the 40-man, but listed as a starter.

    Of course, the secret is to get AT LEAST six innings out of four of the five rotation arms. Happily THIELBAR and MORAN can both go into a second inning. 

    It’s interesting you mentioned Thielbar—he rarely threw more than an inning, and never more than two in a game. However, he was the most likely player to throw back-to-back,  other than Joe Smith, which is almost like throwing more innings, because this team tries its darnedest to avoid back-to-backs. If the pen was full of guys who could pitch back-to-back like Thielbar, the lack of bulk innings wouldn’t be as big of a deal. Of course, many of those back-to-backs involved only getting a couple of lefties out on one of the days, but still.

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    After seeing what I did last year, I was baffled why the FO decided to let Astudillo go and keep Pagan. The Turtle not only was a better pitcher, but he could catch in a pinch and was an okay hitter. Again baffled this year why they are keeping Pagan when Astudillo is available.

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    I see no reason Jax can't go two or three innings now and then. Moran should be able to do that, too. Sands keeps his heater low, and Dobnak is a ground ball machine, when his finger isn't hurt. Both those guys came up as starters, so they could go multiple innings. 

    If the Twins are going to keep experimenting with Pagan, for goodness sakes get it done early. Same with Megill, who with Pagan is in the running for giving up the longest tape measure home runs. Except Pagan walks a couple guys before giving up a hit... whew!

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    Who knows what their magic 8 ball spreadsheet will tell them.  It’s currently telling them guys like Pagan and Megill are good pitchers.  It’s becoming one of the more flabbergasting things I’ve seen as a Twins fan…and that’s saying something after seeing every 42 year old ball player that can still roll out of bed play for the Twins during the Ryan years.

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    While I think the rotation is more than capable of producing way more in the way of 5-6IP...occasionally 7....per start, there will games where a long/medium guy will be needed. I think Rocco wants one.

    Jax is NOT going to be that guy. He's now part of late relief, as is Thielbar.

    At the end of 2022, in lower leverage spots with his "new" pitches/approach, Pagan was often used for 2 IP. That's his role again to begin this year. I like some of what I've seen from Megill, and for whatever reason, nobody else available maybe, he threw a couple innings per appearance at the end of the year. But his spot in the pen is tenuous to me, and not because of his horrific 1st ST game. To me, the 8th spot in the pen is still wide open.

    So who else might fill that last spot, and potential role? Not Dobnak. He needs consistent IP after missing so much time. Henriquez makes a ton of sense, but is being slowed a bit right now. Same with Winder, though I don't know either is serious right now. But so young, I think they want Henriquez in the rotation at St Paul to begin the season. 

    Sands could be a smart choice. He's healthy. He's used to multiple IP. He's got some ML experience, so he's over some of those initial "introduction" nerves. Recent signing Santana might be an option as well, and he's got enough time to ramp up still, if he can show control. Not so sure about Hoffman. I want to say he's been more of a 1IP guy in his career thus far.

    I wouldn't be shocked if someone like Sanchez, with ML experience, didn't have a good spring and end up in that role as a surprise that would be able to handle the spot mentally. 

    Part of the issue is the guys who might fit best in the long/middle role are very young, or being stretched out slowly, and might be better served remaining as starters for now. So give Pagan the early role as the 2 IP middle man and keep the next best guy for the 8th and final spot and re-visit the situation a month or two in. Things might, and probably will, change by then.

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    19 hours ago, Joey Self said:


    THIS!

    I understand--and like the research behind--the analytics on pitchers facing an order a third time.  But since I've been watching the game--1966--pitchers went deeper into the game with regularity if they weren't getting shelled.  

    JcS

    Guys like Catfish Hunter…..Jim Palmer……Dave McNally…….Louis Tiant………Gaylord Perry……Jim Kaat!!

    Bad news is Palmer threw as hard as anyone in the game and he probably maxed out at 92-93 for a few short years. Perry & Tiant were very much multi pitch, spin guys. A good slider was 82 MPH…….now it’s 88-89MPH - harder on arms.

    Guys today are brought up to “protect their arms”……..coaches are instructed to “protect young guy’s arms.” They don’t get leaned on to throw “too much” their entire lives. Can’t expect them to shift gears at 26 years old. Also, if one doesn’t throw 91-92 minimum, targeting 96-97MPH one isn’t a real major league pitcher. There’s very little “pace” thinking in any pitching today with 8 relievers in Pen……..hell, relievers cannot even throw more than 20 pitches many days!

    It’s not a Baldelli thing - it’s not a Twins thing. Average length of start last year in MLB is less than 5.4 innings (from memory - no higher) so with Archer going 3 2/3 & Bundy going 5 1/3 the other 3 guys have to last above league average to get to 5.0 inning average per start. Gray was on IL 3 times - Ryan recovering from Covid & a protected Rookie Arm - Mahle bad shoulder - Ober, oft hurt - Winder, oft hurt…….Paddack & Maeda out for the year after surgeries. What’s the manager supposed to do?

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    The best solution to the long reliever problem is for the offense to take command of games so the Twins don't need long relievers.  Especially in the playoffs.  During their current 18-game playoff losing streak, they have averaged only 2.5 runs a game (1.5 since 2017).  That doesn't win many games regardless of how the bullpen is constructed. 

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    19 hours ago, sun said:

    IMO we need pitchers in the long relief role who don't make mistakes, have live arms & good action on their pitches.

    If our whole bullpen fit this description we would have a top three pen.🙂 I agree with others here about the starting rotation going longer in games.

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    9 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

     

    It’s not a Baldelli thing - it’s not a Twins thing. Average length of start last year in MLB is less than 5.4 innings (from memory - no higher) so with Archer going 3 2/3 & Bundy going 5 1/3 the other 3 guys have to last above league average to get to 5.0 inning average per start. Gray was on IL 3 times - Ryan recovering from Covid & a protected Rookie Arm - Mahle bad shoulder - Ober, oft hurt - Winder, oft hurt…….Paddack & Maeda out for the year after surgeries. What’s the manager supposed to do?

    Uh, not start Archer or anyone else that you know is not able to go a starter's load? 

    If the order came from above him, then it's on the GM.  

    That said, I traveled 15 hours last September to see the Twins play the Guardians Guardians in a five game set.  When I made my plans to go, it was quite possible that the winner of the series would be in the driver's seat for the division title.   In those five games, I saw Ober, Winder, Ryan, Gray and Varland start.  I'd been watching all year, seeing how the starters were hurt and guys that didn't need to be there, were.  Add to that an outfield of Cave, Celestino, and Wallner, and I knew the Twins were in trouble (they lost all but Ryan's start).  

    And THAT said, my thoughts were directed more to 2023 than 2022.  The mindset when the game starts needs to be to get as much from the starter as the game dictates, and not to use players that can't go deep.  One exception is when an opener is appropriate, but even that presupposes the next man up is going to burn up some innings. 

    JcS

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    2 hours ago, Joey Self said:

    Uh, not start Archer or anyone else that you know is not able to go a starter's load? 

    If the order came from above him, then it's on the GM.  

    That said, I traveled 15 hours last September to see the Twins play the Guardians Guardians in a five game set.  When I made my plans to go, it was quite possible that the winner of the series would be in the driver's seat for the division title.   In those five games, I saw Ober, Winder, Ryan, Gray and Varland start.  I'd been watching all year, seeing how the starters were hurt and guys that didn't need to be there, were.  Add to that an outfield of Cave, Celestino, and Wallner, and I knew the Twins were in trouble (they lost all but Ryan's start).  

    And THAT said, my thoughts were directed more to 2023 than 2022.  The mindset when the game starts needs to be to get as much from the starter as the game dictates, and not to use players that can't go deep.  One exception is when an opener is appropriate, but even that presupposes the next man up is going to burn up some innings. 

    JcS

    That was a brutal series. Contreras also got into the outfield.

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    The best thing for the bullpen would be success from the current deep and relatively experienced rotation. Two things the Twins FO and field staff had to like about Pagan were his willingness to take the ball on consecutive days and ability to throw multiple innings. I hope that Pagan is infrequently used in high-leverage situations.

    The last two or three in the bullpen already look a bit shaky (I know it's early!). Alcala gave up several base runners, Megill got knocked around and both Winder and Henriquez are dealing with arm ailments. 

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