Josh Donaldson Continues to Call Out Umpires, Is He Right?

I think Josh is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I think the Twins will soon be regretting that contract.

I think they have always been guessing poorly. Worse? I don't count, but I remember and see far too many wrong calls. If they used the tools that have been developed to get better, and actually reviewed their work for an hour after a game, it seems it would show. But why use a guesser, when you can use the tool that teaches the guesser? It was time years ago..... 

If bad calls decline every year for 12 years, then:

1) there are skills that can be learned to be more accurate

2) those skills are being learned by MLB umpires

It’s because there are good umpires that we know there are bad ones. Call them out.

“Tighten it up!”

The problem isn't only the bad call, rather, how it affects the outcome of the game. A bad call that doesn't change an at bat or lead to a run scored or not scored is a bad call that you can live with. But, a bad call making the count 0-2 rather than 1-1 in a close game with no outs and a runner on first can be huge.

The difference this year is that I remember way to many bad calls that led to shutting down an inning the Twins were looking at potentially scoring. For that reason, I believe MLB must go to robo umps as soon as 2022...assuming there is a 2022. Hopefully, there are enough Donaldson's out there so that the players union will push for this change in the next CBA. 

Until MLB moves to automated pitch calling, I think it should implement standards for umpires. If Joe West and Angel Hernandez fall below a minimum requirement for correct calls, they are sent to the minors or fired. Borderline "incorrect" calls that may have nicked the edge of the plate can be tolerated. But it's the pitches clearly within the strike zone called balls or pitches three or four (or more) inches off the plate that are called strikes that have to be eliminated.

The problem isn't only the bad call, rather, how it affects the outcome of the game. A bad call that doesn't change an at bat or lead to a run scored or not scored is a bad call that you can live with. But, a bad call making the count 0-2 rather than 1-1 in a close game with no outs and a runner on first can be huge.

 

The difference this year is that I remember way to many bad calls that led to shutting down an inning the Twins were looking at potentially scoring. For that reason, I believe MLB must go to robo umps as soon as 2022...assuming there is a 2022. Hopefully, there are enough Donaldson's out there so that the players union will push for this change in the next CBA. 

I agree. Umps are human so they make mistakes & are bias (some more than others). Some favor hitters, some pitchers, some players & some  even teams & many times Twins get the short end of the deal. It`s hard to make the umps accountable so why not go w/ robo umps? 2020 would`ve been the political correct thing to do. I know there are bugs to work out but w/ the hyped will of distancing there should`ve been a way. Robo umps is the fair way, so everyone knows what to expect & no bias

It make no difference if Donaldson is right or wrong on bad calls. The problem is that his reaction to these calls is hurting his team particularly when he or another player is ejected because of it. In addition, no matter what umpires may say, it is human nature that calls that they make "assuming that all things are equal" will go against Donaldson's team.

Side thought. I've noticed this year how much the fatter, out of shape umps contrast with the younger, fitter umps. I don't believe the fatter umps can keep a good, steady base behind the plate. Their bodies do a lot more leaning. Also, umps getting bad looks at steals of second. Not being in a good position to see tag. Thank god nobody steals anymore

I'm fine with the "human factor" involved with umpiring. It's when it becomes biased or when a pitch that has been called one way all game suddenly changes late in the game. Call it the same for both teams the whole game.

I believe it was Joe West that once told a young player that he hadn't earned that call yet. That's the stuff that has to go.

Yes he’s right.

We can find ruins buried in the jungle that are tens of thousands of years old from space. There are cars driving around by themselves as we speak. Most of you are probably wearing a watch that can tell you the oxygen levels in your blood.

There’s no reason to sit and watch these umps butcher games anymore.

Also, it’s kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth if you’re a purist that needs people umping, but gets bent out of shape about people arguing calls and getting into it with the ump. Lou Pinella, George Brett, etc. That’s as much a part of “old school” baseball as anything.

I'm fine with the "human factor" involved with umpiring. It's when it becomes biased or when a pitch that has been called one way all game suddenly changes late in the game. Call it the same for both teams the whole game.

 

I believe it was Joe West that once told a young player that he hadn't earned that call yet. That's the stuff that has to go.

Bias and error are the only two components of the “human factor” that differentiate it from a computer. There isn’t a human being walking the planet right now, or ever, that is free from bias.

I'm tired of the mistake calls. It use to be that Umps stood directly behind the plate thus giving them a better perspective of the entire plate. Now they stand over the inside corner and can't see the outside part of the plate, so they guess. I would venture to bet that 90% of the wrong calls are on the outside part of the plate. Too bad they can't move back over 1 foot so they are centered behind the plate like they use to be. 

As for being biased we only have to look back to the playoffs this year where the 1st base ump called 2 consecutive Astros runners safe at 1st base only to have both calls reversed on replay. 

Take your "human factor" and shove it you know where. If the umps aren't going to be held accountable then it's way past time to go with computer technology. When the announcers and the fans can tell within an instant after the pitch crosses the plate if it was a strike or ball then there is no excuse NOT to use it. Something as simple as a red and green light on the scoreboard, red for ball, green for strike, that lights up after each pitch could be used by an Ump sitting behind a monitor screen/TV making the call. The homeplate Ump would only have to work the plate like the other base Umps work the bases. Problem solved. 

I'm tired of the mistake calls. It use to be that Umps stood directly behind the plate thus giving them a better perspective of the entire plate. Now they stand over the inside corner and can't see the outside part of the plate, so they guess. I would venture to bet that 90% of the wrong calls are on the outside part of the plate. Too bad they can't move back over 1 foot so they are centered behind the plate like they use to be. 

 

As for being biased we only have to look back to the playoffs this year where the 1st base ump called 2 consecutive Astros runners safe at 1st base only to have both calls reversed on replay. 

 

Take your "human factor" and shove it you know where. If the umps aren't going to be held accountable then it's way past time to go with computer technology. When the announcers and the fans can tell within an instant after the pitch crosses the plate if it was a strike or ball then there is no excuse NOT to use it. Something as simple as a red and green light on the scoreboard, red for ball, green for strike, that lights up after each pitch could be used by an Ump sitting behind a monitor screen/TV making the call. The homeplate Ump would only have to work the plate like the other base Umps work the bases. Problem solved. 

So let's just have the managers sit in separate rooms with their xbox's or playstations and play the games that way. 

One question I ponder: how fair is it to the history of the game to start robot umpires for today's players? Some random guy went out there and hit .265 in 1982. Another dude hit .216 in 1935. They had bad calls go against them also, as did the hundreds of thousands of other guys. It's not like umpires have just gone downhill all of a sudden - in fact they might be better than ever with the current scrutiny. 

The main problem I have is do you tarnish the game's history by making this huge change? I suppose the argument could be made in the NFL with the instant replay as well. I think in the end, getting the call right is the most important thing....but in the NFL, you really are only using replay for catches/fumbles, maybe a couple times per game. Even in the MLB's replay system, we're only using it once or twice.

The ball/strike thing would be used on every play. I'm not sure we comprehend exactly what would happen here. Would guys hit better? Worse? Way worse? Way better?

One question I ponder: how fair is it to the history of the game to start robot umpires for today's players? 

OK, well then let's go back to the rules as they were in 1869, which is when professional baseball began.

The point I'm making is that the game evolves, the rules evolve and technology evolves. How fair is it to the future of the game to use an inferior method of calling pitches just because "that's how we've always done it"? It is my understanding that electronic pitch calling is more accurate than human pitch calling, and for that reason alone it should be implemented.

And by the way, I think it's wrong to refer to these systems as "robot umpires". It's inaccurate.

The ball/strike thing would be used on every play. I'm not sure we comprehend exactly what would happen here. Would guys hit better? Worse? Way worse? Way better?

The better hitters would hit better, the worse hitters would hit worse, the better pitchers would pitch better, and the worse pitchers would pitch worse. Exactly as god intended.

The better hitters would hit better, the worse hitters would hit worse, the better pitchers would pitch better, and the worse pitchers would pitch worse. Exactly as god intended.

I doubt it.