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    Parker Hageman

    When the Minnesota Twins called Jose Berrios up to the big club in late April, the fan base was abuzz with excitement.

    Berrios represented the system’s best hope for producing a top-of-the-rotation starter in over a decade. He had the velocity many of the Twins’ previous starting pitching prospects lacked and was able to put hitters away with one of two nasty secondary pitches. Minor league reports raved about his stuff and his numbers at the upper levels were highly encouraging.

    Unfortunately, like so many other promising prospects, Berrios did not immediately live up to expectations. Major League hitters blasted him around the ballpark. Over 11 starts, they posted a .988 OPS off of Berrios while tagging him for 12 doubles and 10 home runs.

    The laundry list of what Berrios needs to do in order to improve is long, but there is one that might be a quick path to having immediate success: Stop tipping his pitches.

    Image courtesy of Brad Rempel // USA Today

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    How is it that one pitcher’s change-up can go from a major weapon in the minors to such a crushable pitch overnight?

    In September 2015 MLB.com’s Bernie Pleskoff, a former scout for the Astros and Mariners, called Berrios’ change-up his best pitch. “I believe his change-up is his best overall pitch,” Pleskoff wrote. “It's the pitch that can gain Berrios a great advantage over the hitter. He is especially tough on left-handed hitters when his change-up sinks and he changes the eye level and balance of the hitter.”

    This year in AAA Berrios struck out 125 in 111 innings in part because of the devastating nature of his change-up. Hitters said the arm action mimicked his fastball’s release and dropped precipitously, inciting tons of missed bats in the minors. In fact, Baseball America said it was the best version of that pitch in the International League in 2016. And yet KABOOM.

    Scouts and hitters raved about the action of Jose Berrios’ change-up so the current results are clearly not based on it being an inferior pitch. So why is it that hitters are not chasing it out of the strike zone and obliterating the ones that do stay in the zone to pieces? Why has it worked at lower levels but not the big leagues?

    When a pitcher is tipping his pitches, there usually is a tell of some sort. Sometimes it is small like a different turn of the glove at the set position or a slightly different hand break. During the 1987 World Series, the scouting report on Frank Viola was that he held his fastball high in the glove and his change-up down. Other times it is hard to ignore, like holding the ball in the set position differently (such as holding it up by the face for a fastball or down at the belt for a breaking ball). After watching all the available video at BaseballSavant.com of him throwing his various pitches on loop for several weeks, I was stumped. Berrios did not exhibit any of those traits.

    Another possibility was how he delivered it. Last season Chattanooga’s manager Doug Mientkiewicz noted that he thought Berrios was telegraphing his change-up too much in 2014. Fast forward to this season, PitcherList.com did a high definition GIF breakdown of his first MLB start, categorizing each pitch type. With his change-ups, you notice deceleration of his body and he cuts off his finish differently than for his fastball and curve ball. Although I did consider this phenomenon as a potential source for tipping, ultimately Berrios’ deceleration happens after he releases the ball. Hitters would not be able to see this cue and adjust at the same time.

    As I stared at the computer screen trying to see the 3D sailboat in the video, it was only after seeing a still photo of Berrios pitching that the answer was so obvious. Let’s see if you can figure it out. Take a look at these two grotesquely blurry zoomed in images. Do you notice anything different between the two?

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    Give up?

    On the one on the left, you will see a finger (his pinky) sticking up above the ball. That’s his change-up. On the right, you see all of Berrios’ fingers wrapped behind the ball. That’s the fastball. Take a look at a more high quality image from a front angle:

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    Berrios has been alerting opponents to what pitch he is going to throw behind his own back.

    Naturally, this seems too easy. After all, I’ve paused everything at the right moment. Would batters really be able to pick up that tell in the fraction of a second Berrios flashes the ball behind his back?

    Watch Berrios’ bullpen session from March (

    ) and see if you can pick up on the quick flash:

    For hitters who have elite vision -- the same that claim they can pick up the red or white spin of the ball quickly -- this brief flash of color provides that all-important cue on which pitch speed to expect. For an experienced player like Torii Hunter, who was calling out Berrios’ pitches during a spring training live BP session, this seems easy to pick up on.

    It is no small wonder Berrios’ change-up has been teed off on and it also explains why his fastball has been hammered as well. Given how quickly video at the major league level can be passed around, it makes complete sense as to why he has been exposed with the Twins versus in the minor leagues.

    The Twins have said that they want Berrios to work on bringing the ball toward center field instead of toward first base but the way it is presented through the media, the instruction sounds more like a mechanical adjustment in hopes of better command and less like keeping teams from picking up on his pitches. Then again, the Twins may be well aware of the situation and are trying not to draw attention to it from other teams. (If that is the case...sorry, yo.)

    To be sure, changing an arm path is not an easy task. Pitchers have been told for years that certain delivery styles can be dangerous but they rarely make that adjustment because their current model is so committed to muscle memory. Given his innings total, it is unlikely that Berrios will have any time in winter ball to work on that, so the best will be bullpen side-sessions and some additional work in the offseason before getting several much needed months of rest.

    Don't be fooled by the early results: Berrios possesses some outstanding stuff. His biggest priority is to wrangle in command of his fastball in order to set up his secondary offerings. Throwing strikes is critical but from the mental side, it can been frustrating to throw what you feel is a solid pitch in a good location only to have it redirected back twice as fast. If he is also able to keep from alerting hitters to which pitch may be coming, that would be a significant improvement as well.

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    This would be great news, if true.

     

    The games I have seen, he can't throw -- one of or both -- his curve ball, or his slide-piece, or his change-up for strikes, allowing batters to cross one or both of his other pitches off the list and sit on one pitch.

     

    He has to throw strikes.  Period.  Then he can expand the zone.

     

    The hitters know what's coming for sure.  How and why they know that is what Berrios needs to resolve.

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    Thanks for the insight, Parker.  

     

    Honest question.  Will adjusting the arm angle as he rears back also, at least potentially, change his arm slot on the forward throwing motion?  If so, could that impact the movement on the pitches?

     

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    This would be great news, if true.

     

    The games I have seen, he can't throw -- one of or both -- his curve ball, or his slide-piece, or his change-up for strikes, allowing batters to cross one or both of his other pitches off the list and sit on one pitch.

     

    He has to throw strikes.  Period.  Then he can expand the zone.

     

    The hitters know what's coming for sure.  How and why they know that is what Berrios needs to resolve.

     

    I mean...that's exactly what I said in the concluding paragraph. I know I can get long winded by try to stay 'till the end.

     

    The command issue/pitch tipping are not mutually exclusive either: A hitter who knows what they are looking for will also not chase the secondary pitches out of the strike zone in those pitcher's counts.  

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    Thanks for the insight, Parker.  

     

    Honest question.  Will adjusting the arm angle as he rears back also, at least potentially, change his arm slot on the forward throwing motion?  If so, could that impact the movement on the pitches?

     

    There is a lot that goes into adjusting an arm path. Timing, release point, etc, etc. It's not an easy process. 

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    I don't mean to be too negative here, but isn't this 100% on the development staff? Someone should have made the determination that he needed to get this fixed when he was in the minors. 

     

    This is another example where it seems that development and promotions are determined by minor league success and less by preparedness for the majors.

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    I don't mean to be too negative here, but isn't this 100% on the development staff? Someone should have made the determination that he needed to get this fixed when he was in the minors. 

     

    This is another example where it seems that development and promotions are determined by minor league success and less by preparedness for the majors.

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    So interesting. Nobody else had explained it, although it had been mentioned frequently. Also, I don't think it's the pinkie finger as much as the wrist angle and his "cupping" of the ball in his hand for changeup. I think that would be easier and more definitive to pick up on.

     

     

    Right, the hitter is not seeing the pinky/fingers in real time. The position of that hand presents a different look from his fastball grip. In real time (as shown in the video above) hitters will be able to pick up on the difference between the two, similar to being able to see the red dot of a slider only with more advanced notice.

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    I don't mean to be too negative here, but isn't this 100% on the development staff? Someone should have made the determination that he needed to get this fixed when he was in the minors. 

     

    This is another example where it seems that development and promotions are determined by minor league success and less by preparedness for the majors.

     

    To some extent yes, but Berrios certainly isn't the first major league pitcher to tip his pitches, and he won't be the last.  When it isn't obvious, it's the type of thing that can be overlooked, especially when he's doing well.  The other real problem is that since minor league hitters haven't figured it out, it certainly doesn't fall on the list of things that gets quickly fixed. He may have been getting away with it for a while.

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    I wonder what Rick Sutcliffe did... I remember watching him and his exaggerated hand-behind-the-back approach. When I saw the images of how different the pictures were of Berrios, Sutcliffe is the first thing I thought of. Maybe he just had a fastball/curveball and didn't have a changeup? From a hitter's perspective, I think that the fastball and curveball grips would look very similar whereas the fastball/changeup look (And have to look) different. I don't know, but this is definitely something hitters can catch. 

     

     

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    Nice article. There also looks like a slight wrist tuck to compensate for the finger.

     

    I noticed that as well. The wrist is bent more and the hand cups around the ball more. It adds up to a noticeable difference rather than just looking for the extended pinky.

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    I wonder what Rick Sutcliffe did... I remember watching him and his exaggerated hand-behind-the-back approach. When I saw the images of how different the pictures were of Berrios, Sutcliffe is the first thing I thought of. Maybe he just had a fastball/curveball and didn't have a changeup? From a hitter's perspective, I think that the fastball and curveball grips would look very similar whereas the fastball/changeup look (And have to look) different. I don't know, but this is definitely something hitters can catch. 

     

    Sutcliffe has been a pitcher someone else compared him too. Look over his mechanics, I don't think he's gone as wide as Berrios does with his arm. Berrios' action was much more like Dwight Gooden's arm swing.

     

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    Sutcliffe's early mechanics do look like he swung his arm out further but has brought the ball closer to his body as he aged. 

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    If this is true... the Twins helped Fernando Abad to stop tipping his pitches and he had a much better season. Maybe if they can help Berrios figure out how to stop tipping pitches, he could do a 180?

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    Some good stuff here, and definitely a contributing factor. But, I dont think I buy that this is THE difference, and correcting this will turn him into the ace everyone expects.

     

    So, there are no AAA hitters/coaches that are aware of this?

     

    He cant get anyone out at the MLB level. Hes probably seen some hitters in AAA

    that were just as talented as some of the guys in the majors. Its not just elite MLB hittera giving him fits. His big issue is still walking too many batters at the MLB level, which he seems not to do at AAA.

     

    Again, fixing this issue may help, but i still think there is an overarching confidence/mental issue that he hasnt

    figured out how to get over.

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    I don't know as it is this simple. Many pitchers show the ball behind their back without issue. I've always been told that hitters focus on the anticipated release point in order to pick up the ball at the earliest point. Even if he had a perfect circle change grip it would be visually different on the backswing. I think his biggest problem is just being in hitters counts all the time.

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    So if you can see that he's tipping his pitches, why can't the Twins coaches???!!!!!!!!! Head shaking...

    And if opponents didn't know before, they now know!  

    Did TD just make Jose's next start more difficult???

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    I don't buy it.  A guy dominates the minor leagues top to bottom and suddenly upon reaching the majors can't pitch anymore.  Smoke and mirrors if you ask me.  Sure the sample size is still small and he needs to adjust to being a major league level pitcher, but IMO I see more of a similarity between Duffey and Berrios.  

     

    Both have a great "out pitch", changeup for Berrios and curveball for Duffey.  Problem is neither one can control that pitch enough to keep it in the strike zone on occasion and keep hitters honest.  From the hitters perspective If its a fastball hack away, if you think it's a breaking ball don't even swing because it won't be close to the strike zone anyways.   

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    It seems to me that organizations should be able to have staff and software that focus solely on analyzing every pitchers (on ours and opponents) pitch And looking at every detail for tells. Seems like software might be able to detect this, especially with the help of trained staff dissecting it. This seems like it would be an advantage to have greater than any other analytical type. It would be painstaking, but I believe it would be worth it, especially in protecting our own pitchers.

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    That's interesting.  I didn't see the pinky finger but noticed the wrist angle right away.  But man, it would take some fantastic eyesight to see that and get back to the release point in a fraction of a second.

     

    Again, it's not the fingers itself that you should see, it's the action of what the hand looks like with that grip. Fastball hitters will see a smooth side while the changeup grip -- because of the fingers and the wrap action -- has different look. I keep referring to it as the red dot effect that hitters see with sliders. 

     

    We have to remember, baseball players have ridiculously good vision and are constantly looking for a tell prior to the release of the ball.  

     

     

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    Though this is probably associated with this idea in general, he definitely doesn't hide the ball in his motion. Puts it right out there in full view for the hitter.

     

    I definitely think MLB hitters are capable of noticing this and taking advantage.

     

     

     

     

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