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    Nick Nelson

    Shortly after they hired Paul Molitor as manager in November of 2014, the Twins invited me to Target Field for a one-on-one interview with him. They had asked if I'd write a feature on the newly minted skipper for their season preview publication, and I gladly accepted.

    Upon meeting Molitor, I was impressed with the man. That continues to this day. But I've never really been able to figure out how impressed I am with the manager. Right now, it's difficult to assuage the nagging doubts.

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    Molitor was still getting accustomed to his new office when we chatted in it that January afternoon. I don't think he'd done many media interviews yet, and his burgeoning excitement was easily detected.

    The hardball lifer genuinely enjoyed being asked thoughtful questions, and answering them thoroughly. I noticed – especially upon transcribing – that his responses were eloquent, intelligent, and enlightening.

    This would become a recurring trend in my experience with him.

    Molitor's intellect is undeniable. The term "baseball IQ" gets bandied around a lot but this Hall of Famer embodies it. In my first interaction, and many others I've had with him during spring training scrums since, he has always exuded a deep knowledge of the game. With no disrespect to his affable predecessor, I gain actual insight from talking to Molitor, in a way I never did before.

    As someone who coaches young kids during the summer, I'm beyond impressed with Molitor's ability to articulate concepts and break down strategic intricacies in a way that makes total sense. These are, seemingly, the hallmarks of an impactful coach.

    But unfortunately there is little evidence of Molitor being able to move the needle effectively while at the helm

    THAT FAMILIAR FEELING

    We all understood that Minnesota was taking a gamble when Molitor got the nod to replace Ron Gardenhire. The finalist he beat out for the job, Torey Lovullo, was a seasoned MLB coach who'd been serving as bench coach for John Farrell's Red Sox, one year removed from a championship.

    Molitor, on the other hand, offered little substantive experience. He briefly served on the coaching staffs for Minnesota and Seattle after retiring as a player, and he was in Gardy's dugout during the 92-loss 2014 season, but Molitor had never managed at any level.

    The Twins opted for their guy, a known favorite of the Pohlads. Hiring Molitor made sense in that, as a longtime roving minor-league instructor, he was very familiar to the organization's rising young core. But his lack of a track record was conspicuous.

    Lovullo ended up joining the Diamondbacks as manager two years later. From all appearances it's been a great move for Arizona. They made the playoffs as a wild-card last year, improving by 24 wins in Lovullo's first season, and are currently in first place.

    Molitor's tenure with the Twins thus far has been much more of a mixed bag.

    UP, DOWN, UP, DOWN

    This section is not an advertisement for one of my favorite spots in my Uptown (though I highly recommend Up-Down to fellow enjoyers of beer and video games).

    It is instead an apt description of this team under Paul Molitor the manager.

    So it goes, right? As Ernie Halwell put it so well: "Baseball is a lot like life. It's a day-to-day existence, full of ups and downs."

    The problem is that, under Molitor, Minnesota's "ups" haven't risen all that impressively high. And the "downs" have been harrowingly low.

    In 2015, Molitor led the Twins to their first winning season in five years. Miguel Sano and Byron Buxton debuted. Brian Dozier made his first All-Star team. The future was very bright.

    Then: Total. System. Failure.

    That 2016 campaign was an unmitigated disaster. A team that was expected to – at the very least – hang on the fringe of contention instead spiraled uncontrollably, losing 103 games in the franchise's worst season since transplanting from Washington.

    There's really no need to rehash it. We all remember.

    Because of that catastrophe, Minnesota's jump to 85 wins in 2017 looked like a momentous achievement, rather than a modest improvement from their 83 wins in 2015. And that drastic turnaround, punctuated by a brief postseason run, earned Molitor the distinction of AL Manager of the Year. (Naturally, Lovullo won it in the National League.) Then came the three-year contract extension, almost a formality at that point.

    And this context makes it strange to be discussing the possibility of Molitor's dismissal.

    A reigning Manager of the Year? Less than three months into a new deal? With forceful support from ownership?

    In many ways, the notion of firing Molitor seems absurd. But frankly, it would be more absurd not to seriously assess it as an option.

    The fact is that, as much as I may sympathize with the Pohlad family's affinity for Molitor, he just doesn't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to managerial chops.

    IGNITING A FIRE

    Without question, Paul Molitor was one of the greatest baserunners in MLB history. Despite lacking elite speed he pilfered 504 bases with a 79% success rate in his playing career, and he stole home 10 times.

    I think anyone who's watched this 2018 team regularly would agree they run the bases as sloppily as any in memory. They've been thrown out, picked off, and caught adrift countless times.

    Molitor was a sharp and versatile fielder prior to becoming primarily a DH in his 30s.

    Miscues are all too common for this year's defensive unit, as they were in 2016.

    At the plate, Molitor's discipline was legendary, his power surprising, his bat relentless. He was known as "The Ignitor."

    This offense has most often failed to launch, with astoundingly mediocre numbers across the board. The Twins have hit fewer home runs than all but three AL teams, which seems unfathomable after the way they finished 2017.

    Suffice to say, knowledge and expertise don't transfer directly. We knew that.

    But if Molitor isn't – in some way – passing along his strengths, then what are we doing here?

    The jury is out on him as a tactician. Molitor's designed plays – steals, hit-and-runs, going on contact – haven't worked out very often. His bullpen, while capable, hasn't performed in leverage, as evidenced by mop-up longman Matt Magill leading the relief corps in WPA.

    Ryan Pressly has appeared in 36 of the team's first 68 games and has seen his performance decline. Meanwhile Magill works once a week, while looking perfectly capable of taking on more. The bullpen decisions have sometimes been baffling.

    I hesitate to attribute these things entirely to Molitor. He's not making decisions on an island. He receives input from his coaches, specialized pitching analyst Josh Kalk, and the players themselves. From my understanding, it is a more sophisticated system than one might assume. "Collaborative," as its mastermind Derek Falvey would undoubtedly say.

    And that's sorta the trouble with trying to gauge Molitor's culpability. He's only one piece in a very complex puzzle. Would making a change really be worthwhile?

    I do know this: It takes some contorting not to see him as part of the problem. In 2016 a reasonably talented team tanked to the dregs of franchise precedent. And right now a more talented team – built to win, with a record payroll – is sputtering along, incapable of capturing any kind of sustained momentum despite an incredible window of opportunity.

    There's no question that Molitor understands and – most endearingly, I think – continually studies the game to an obsessive degree. I trust his judgment on baseball decisions and could never really doubt his acumen. Few rightfully could.

    But given what we saw in 2016, and now are seeing in 2018, one must question his ability to rally the troops and become a uniting force.

    I'll be honest: typing that last sentence felt nauseatingly cliché. What does it even mean? These vague and intangible leadership platitudes in sports have always driven me crazy, but there's simply no denying their reality. Managers matter.

    Players aren't "quitting" on Molitor, as I've seen a few people ludicrously suggest. His bullpen management, if occasionally odd, isn't a fireable offense. And it'd be tough to make the case that Molitor has wrongfully alienated certain players, or the clubhouse at large.

    But something is out of whack with this team's engine, which simply hasn't been able to ignite. And while I fully believe the players bear the brunt of that burden... you can't fire the players.

    Speaking of fire, and ignition, maybe these words hint at what is amiss.

    As I pondered this subject, I went back and listened through that first interview I conducted with Molitor, still filed away in my phone's audio log.

    I had asked him to explain, from his view, what differentiated him from his predecessor and friend Ron Gardenhire.

    Naturally, Molitor opened with a complimentary remark about his general sameness with Gardy, but then addressed the question head-on:

    "If there's a difference that pops into my head, it would be that he wears his emotions on his sleeves. Whether it's protecting his players, going out on the field and dealing with umpires and things. And I have a tendency to be a little bit different in my demeanor in that regard.

    "Not to say one is better than the other, but again, you can't try to be someone you're not."

    A part of me wonders whether pushing this team to the next level requires something that Molitor – by his own earnest admission – is not.

    Another part of me thinks that's all a bunch of hooey.

    Needless to say, I'm conflicted. But I'm curious to hear what others think.

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    A slightly different point but.... I don't understand why, in 2018, the Twins haven't put more emphasis on bilingual (English/Spanish) major league coaches. They currently have Rudy Hernández (who's not allowed to be on the bench for games), Eddie Guardado and the MLB mandated translator.

     

    No matter what happens with Molitor, I'd like to see the Twins bring in some coaches who can connect better with the Spanish-speaking players. And, if they do fire Molitor, they should absolutely put a high priority on hiring someone who can speak Spanish and make meaningful connections will all the players on the roster.

     

    Completely agree, I think this should be a huge priority after Molitor's gone.

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    This Twins Fan Ain't Satisfied.

     

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrIPxlFzDi0

     

     

    Flavey and Levine. The pair in the Front Office. Although they both can’t be in there because there’s usually only one front office otherwise it wouldn’t be in front of the other offices. But let’s just say there’s two front offices and no back office. Which of course will make it hard to make a deal because the best deals are always made secretively; in the Back Office.

     

    Maybe they got a hallway they can use for cutting a deal. Hell, use the executive bath room if you have to, just make a deal. And not just a deal, a deal-deal. It’s time to stop being cute, time to stop trying to prove you can find a gem in other teams’ junk just because you read a book on analytics. In short, it’s time for the pair of you to grow a pair; swing for the damn fences! Do or Die!

     

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcXpKiY2MXE

     

     

     

    Bite the bullet. Give Molitor and the hitting coach a train ticket to Clarksville. Molly’s got a MOY Award and a nice three year contract to help him ease into retirement. He’ll probably thank you for it.

     

    Now get a manager with fire in his eyes and a proven track record for getting the most out of young players.

     

    Pick up the phone and call the Tigers. Throw yourselves at their feet. Everybody knows you’re desperate anyway. Just look at the standings. Look at the batting averages if you have the stomach for it. So put all pretenses aside. Tell the Tigers Front Office up front, preferably while they’re in their Back Office waiting to make a deal, that you want Dougie back. Tell them they can have anybody off the major league club but Berrios, Romero, Rosario, Escobar, Pressley and Hildenberger in trade. Make that two anybodies. Tell them they can have three current Twins if they throw Brian Harper in on the deal to be the new Twins hitting coach. Hell, tell the Tigers they can have six Twins off the major league club if they take Goodman, Wilson and LoMo off your hands. Maybe even throw in Sano if you have to. If they can find him down there in Single A. Just make the deal.

     

    Then once you get ink on paper, steal your wives’ lipstick and start kissing Dougie’s... whatever. Throw yourselves at his feet, confess your idiocy. Admit you were getting all uppity, trying to prove your high-and-mighty analytic smartness when you dismissed Dougie, forgetting that the best “analytic” for a manager is how many games he wins, not how he wins them. Offer him a three-year contract equal to whatever the highest paid manager in the Bigs is getting. Throw in a few incentives; use of the Pohlad’s private jet so he can fly home on off-days to see his family, tell him he can select whatever minor league players he wants for the Twins roster no questions asked, no moaning about starting the clock, or losing options or any of that happy equine fecal matter that makes front office type sound smart but keeps talent down on the farm until they’re old enough to retire. And promise, carve it in a big frigging stone on Twins Plaza, you will not in any way shape or form claim major league cast-offs off the waiver wire, or screw around with Rule Five sucker bait or in anyway add any players to the 40-man or 25-man roster without Dougie’s prior approval.

     

    Then stay out of Dougie’s way and let him build us a winning team. You can get in the team photo when he wins the Division. And when the Twins are in the World Series and the TV cameras are on the owner/front office box, you can nod wisely and knowingly when the announcers pronounce you geniuses.

     

    So swallow your pride and make the deal. What have you got to lose? Your last ten fans?

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    The injuries are a factor in his evaluation, as is the 103 loss season and the lousy start to last year, needing an incredible streak of lousy competition to eek in the last WC spot. No one want Molitor fired simply based on this year.

     

    The injuries are a massive factor this year. Not just "A" factor. This team has four members of its starting lineup our in some form or fashion and its No. 1 starter. Please explain to me what team would not be reeling from losing more than half of the starting nine from the opening day roster. Please.

     

    And keep in mind that three of those five are supposed to be the players who form the core that would lead this team to the promised land. Two of those three were the two single biggest factors that led to that run to the wild card last year.

     

    And now you're blowing off last year's wild card simply to shoehorn last year's strong performance into your thesis that Molitor sucks. That was a strong improvement with relatively little help in the way of players from the front office. If you're going to hammer him for the 103 loss season you have to give him credit for the strong season last year. 

     

    I will not argue that Molitor is perfect. But I sure as hell am not going to suddenly turn on a manager who helped get this team to the playoffs last year after the sheer number of problems the Twins have faced.

     

    Beyond that, please explain where he's the problem. 

     

     

     

     

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    It's hard for me to agree that he's got a high baseball IQ when every game, no matter what the situation, he goes on auto-pilot and pulls the starter at 100 pitches. There's no thinking to it. If a pitcher gets to 100 pitches during an AB (or 99), that's it for their day. If he's got a high baseball IQ, he really needs to learn how to use it. Because it comes across as daft and not knowing how baseball actually works to always pull a pitcher out based on a magic number.

     

    Additionally, remember when he completely butchered a double switch...

     

    Also, the time that he let Odorizzi hit. And then pulled him before the next inning started...

    there’s a difference between baseball strategy and tactics. It’s clear he’s not effective at communicating or implementing the tactics. That doesn’t take away from his intelligence.

     

    I firmly believe (with no solid proof of my own) that Molitor is a rocket scientist of baseball that may not relate very well to his players and gets paralyzed at times by overthinking the outcomes and not making the timely moves.

     

    It also seems that Molly wears out bullpen arms and trots out injured players that he trusts and takes their word for it.

     

    He’s not my guy, and I agree with the posters looking for relatable and bilingual

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    The injuries are a massive factor this year. Not just "A" factor. This team has four members of its starting lineup our in some form or fashion and its No. 1 starter. Please explain to me what team would not be reeling from losing more than half of the starting nine from the opening day roster. Please.

     

    And keep in mind that three of those five are supposed to be the players who form the core that would lead this team to the promised land. Two of those three were the two single biggest factors that led to that run to the wild card last year.

     

    And now you're blowing off last year's wild card simply to shoehorn last year's strong performance into your thesis that Molitor sucks. That was a strong improvement with relatively little help in the way of players from the front office. If you're going to hammer him for the 103 loss season you have to give him credit for the strong season last year. 

     

    I will not argue that Molitor is perfect. But I sure as hell am not going to suddenly turn on a manager who helped get this team to the playoffs last year after the sheer number of problems the Twins have faced.

     

    Beyond that, please explain where he's the problem.

     

    Injuries:

     

    Santana: injured and so far well replaced. Off season decisions might have turned out quite differently if on hand. Quite possibly worse.

    Polanco: suspended

    Sano: sent down due to performance and ???

    Buxton: mysteriously sent for rehab, injured, back, DL, rehab. And no production at any time.

    Mauer. Good performance, out a month.

    Castro: injured, but was really not making any difference, offensively.

     

    When you get down to it, the end result is a pitch framing catcher, and Joe Mauer for a month, and Buxton defense. Polanco from late last year is likely missed, as is Buxton from late last year. Bottom line, the only known loss of consequence was actually Mauer for a month. The rest are "but what if's"

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    The injuries are a massive factor this year. Not just "A" factor. This team has four members of its starting lineup our in some form or fashion and its No. 1 starter. Please explain to me what team would not be reeling from losing more than half of the starting nine from the opening day roster. Please.

     

    And keep in mind that three of those five are supposed to be the players who form the core that would lead this team to the promised land. Two of those three were the two single biggest factors that led to that run to the wild card last year.

     

    And now you're blowing off last year's wild card simply to shoehorn last year's strong performance into your thesis that Molitor sucks. That was a strong improvement with relatively little help in the way of players from the front office. If you're going to hammer him for the 103 loss season you have to give him credit for the strong season last year. 

     

    I will not argue that Molitor is perfect. But I sure as hell am not going to suddenly turn on a manager who helped get this team to the playoffs last year after the sheer number of problems the Twins have faced.

     

    Beyond that, please explain where he's the problem. 

    Yet, injuries can't be blamed for the lack of situational awareness, prevalent base running gaffes, defensive gaffes and poor bullpen management that have plagued the entirety of his managerial tenure.  The first three take no level of talent to understand or execute - it's simply being aware of what is going on in the game.  So simply saying that Molitor has been handcuffed with injuries or a lack of talent and should get a pass because of it is missing where the dissatisfaction stems from.  

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    In my opinion the vast majority of the impact a manager makes is beyond our ability to see. We can criticize bullpen management and some other aspects of their job but for the most part what they do is behind the scenes. I'm not sure Molitor is the problem but this is at least a valid attempt at some criticism. Too often the manager gets all the blame for things going wrong and none of the credit for things going right.

     

    Personally, I put the vast majority of the blame for Sano and Buxton on the previous FO and their criminal neglect of the development process. And those two guys (And Dozier going pumpkin) are the biggest culprits for this mess.

    I'm not going to disagree with this a bit. I think for both of them, things came so easily that flaws in their game...and developmental time lost here and there to injury...was ignored.

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    This is why, I believe, that great players make for terrible coaches/managers.  HoF type players have so much come naturally to them that it's difficult for them to understand that some things need to be taught.  Even if they understand that things need to be taught, they need to actually teach it in a way that players with less talent can understand and accomplish.

     

    The best coaches/managers, in my view, are those that are borderline major league caliber players that must get by with doing the little things correctly to get every ounce of talent they have out.  They have to figure things out on their own to maximize their own abilities and that background helps others in the same situation when it comes to coaching them up down the road.

    I've always pushed back against the notion that great players make poor managers because the game came naturally to them. I think that reasoning cuts both ways. Couldn't we just as easily say that great players should make great managers because they're able to perceive/understand aspects of the game that are beyond the scope of the average player? For the record I don't subscribe to either school of thought. 

     

    IMO teaching is a skill, and some are just better at it than others. I don't think success during a playing career necessarily grooms or precludes anybody from being a great manager. 

     

    I certainly agree that managers who were fringe players may have an advantage in relating to current players in a similar position, especially since a good chunk of every roster is made up of guys who have to wring out every ounce to stick in the big leagues. I would file that under interpersonal skills, and reiterate that success during a playing career isn't and indicator one way or another of an individual's ability to communicate. 

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    Frankly, he's a poor decision maker as a manager.

     

    That said, the Twins FO and players aren't doing a lot help the guy.

     

    I know everyone likes to believe that this team is the great one from the second half last. But, that was the outlier. This is a bad baseball team. It's possible that he should get loads of credit for getting a great second half out of an awful team. The roster was always hanging by a thread, and the thread snapped.

     

    As far as the FO, adding Lance Lynn and Logan Morrison is kind of a joke. We're just so used to nothi happening, that we all thought it was amazing.

     

    As much as I can't put the performance of the team entirely on Molitor. I still the awful bullpen usage, head scratching substitutions, etc. He's a great baseball mind, but I just don't think he's really cut out for managing a team. Maybe as a coach, or a FO position, he'd be wonderful.

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    Yet, injuries can't be blamed for the lack of situational awareness, prevalent base running gaffes, defensive gaffes and poor bullpen management that have plagued the entirety of his managerial tenure.  The first three take no level of talent to understand or execute - it's simply being aware of what is going on in the game.  So simply saying that Molitor has been handcuffed with injuries or a lack of talent and should get a pass because of it is missing where the dissatisfaction stems from.  

     

    Base Running (Based on 2018 BsR /2017 BsR ranking given for missing players)

    Three worst baserunners - Kepler , Grossman, Wilson

    Key missing players - Buxton (1), Polanco (2)

     

    Twins are missing their two best baserunners. Grossman has taken a lot of Buxton's at bats. 

     

    Defense (Based on DRS)

    Three worst defenders - Esco (at SS), Garver, Sano

    Key missing players - Buxton (1), Castro (2), Polanco (8)

     

    Escobar has been forced to play SS with Polanco out of the lineup. He's a league-average 3B. Garver has replaced Castro. Buxton is one of the best but MIA.

     

    RP Management (Appearances / IP - MLB Rank)

    Current RP - Pressley (4/27), Hildenberger (26/48), Reed (37/38)

     

    I won't comment on when RP are called in, but they aren't overworked by MLB standards.

     

     

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    Yet, injuries can't be blamed for the lack of situational awareness, prevalent base running gaffes, defensive gaffes and poor bullpen management that have plagued the entirety of his managerial tenure.  The first three take no level of talent to understand or execute - it's simply being aware of what is going on in the game.  So simply saying that Molitor has been handcuffed with injuries or a lack of talent and should get a pass because of it is missing where the dissatisfaction stems from.  

     

    What "defensive lapses?" What "poor bullpen management?" What "base running gaffes?" 

     

    Are these your perception or do you have data to back up your contention? 

     

    The defense has taken a hit this year. But you lose a Byron Buxton and a Jason Castro from a team for most of the year and your defense will take a hit.

     

    People complain about bullpen management. I don't see that at all. What poor bullpen management? From what I can see, the problem has been mostly pitchers who should be entrusted to pitch an inning haven't done so often enough. And if you're talking overuse, which some people think is the problem, only two Twins are among the top 50 relief pitchers in games. So I'm not sure where people are getting that. 

     

     

    The baserunning? I don't even know what to say about that. 

     

    And injuries are going to make ALL of that worse by forcing the coach to insert replacement players. The good news for the Twins has been the emergence of Eduardo Escobar as an offensive force. But when your center fielder is Ryan Lamarre, your team is going to have some problems.

     

    Back your contentions up. And if you simply point to the team's record, which is legitimate, you have to take into account injuries. 

     

    Tell you what: I'll take that into account.

     

    The loss of Ervin Santana, Byron Buxton, Miguel Sano, Jason Castro and Jorge Polanco removed 17 wins above replacement from the starting nine. 

     

    As roughly, what, 40% of the season is done? That's about seven wins.

     

    Twins would be in first place, theoretically, with those players in the lineup, playing simply at the level they performed last year. And we aren't having this conversation.

     

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    I don't know. There is so much I don't see in his role.

     

    It is critical that Falvey and Levine have made an accurate assessment. The Twins need a top 10 manager. Average isn't good enough. 

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    Base Running (Based on 2018 BsR /2017 BsR ranking given for missing players)

    Three worst baserunners - Kepler , Grossman, Wilson

    Key missing players - Buxton (1), Polanco (2)

     

    Twins are missing their two best baserunners. Grossman has taken a lot of Buxton's at bats. 

     

    Defense (Based on DRS)

    Three worst defenders - Esco (at SS), Garver, Sano

    Key missing players - Buxton (1), Castro (2), Polanco (8)

     

    Escobar has been forced to play SS with Polanco out of the lineup. He's a league-average 3B. Garver has replaced Castro. Buxton is one of the best but MIA.

     

    RP Management (Appearances / IP - MLB Rank)

    Current RP - Pressley (4/27), Hildenberger (26/48), Reed (37/38)

     

    I won't comment on when RP are called in, but they aren't overworked by MLB standards.

     

    All of this.

     

    Outside of Pressly, none of the Twins relievers are anywhere near overworked. That's the one criticism I just don't get, and which just isn't based on any sound data whatsoever. 

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    Frankly, he's a poor decision maker as a manager.

    That said, the Twins FO and players aren't doing a lot help the guy.

    I know everyone likes to believe that this team is the great one from the second half last. But, that was the outlier. This is a bad baseball team. It's possible that he should get loads of credit for getting a great second half out of an awful team. The roster was always hanging by a thread, and the thread snapped.

    As far as the FO, adding Lance Lynn and Logan Morrison is kind of a joke. We're just so used to nothi happening, that we all thought it was amazing.

    As much as I can't put the performance of the team entirely on Molitor. I still the awful bullpen usage, head scratching substitutions, etc. He's a great baseball mind, but I just don't think he's really cut out for managing a team. Maybe as a coach, or a FO position, he'd be wonderful.

     

    Wow, is this comment wrong. Lance Lynn was one of the better starters on the market. Logan Morrison was a legitimate power hitter. Jake Odorizzi was also a solid mid-rotation starter. Frankly, the front office did far more than just about any previous front office did to improve the Twins over the offseason. The FO definitely did its job. 

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    Injuries:

    Santana: injured and so far well replaced. Off season decisions might have turned out quite differently if on hand. Quite possibly worse.
    Polanco: suspended
    Sano: sent down due to performance and ???
    Buxton: mysteriously sent for rehab, injured, back, DL, rehab. And no production at any time.
    Mauer. Good performance, out a month.
    Castro: injured, but was really not making any difference, offensively.

    When you get down to it, the end result is a pitch framing catcher, and Joe Mauer for a month, and Buxton defense. Polanco from late last year is likely missed, as is Buxton from late last year. Bottom line, the only known loss of consequence was actually Mauer for a month. The rest are "but what if's"

     

    Santana + Buxton + Sano + Castro + Polanco = 17 WAR.  None currently playing. All of them have missed most of the season thus far, at least. Plus Mauer's absence, which hurt a lot and which I've never mentioned. 

     

    Injuries matter. They matter a lot. 

     

    And you're so wrong on Santana it's not even funny. He has not been "easily replaced." You do not "easily replace" a good starter like that. Santana's absence forced the Twins to go with Phil Hughes in the rotation early, then replace him with Fernando Romero. Romero was great early and has been exposed more recently. So no. He has NOT been easily replaced. 

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    All of this.

     

    Outside of Pressly, none of the Twins relievers are anywhere near overworked. That's the one criticism I just don't get, and which just isn't based on any sound data whatsoever. 

    The Twins have played 68 games. Pressly has appeared in 36, Reed/Duke 32, and Hildenberger 31.

     

    At that pace, Pressly will make 85 appearances, Reed/Duke 76, and Hildenberger 73.

     

    For reference, those numbers would have been 1st, 4th, and 5th in the majors last year. 79 appearances led the majors. Rogers led the Twins with 69 appearances (but only 55 IP), Matt Belisle was second with 62. No other reliever had more than 57.

     

    All four of Pressly/Reed/Duke/Hildy are, or certainly appear to be, overworked IMO

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    What "defensive lapses?" What "poor bullpen management?" What "base running gaffes?" 

     

    Are these your perception or do you have data to back up your contention? 

     

    The defense has taken a hit this year. But you lose a Byron Buxton and a Jason Castro from a team for most of the year and your defense will take a hit.

     

    People complain about bullpen management. I don't see that at all. What poor bullpen management? From what I can see, the problem has been mostly pitchers who should be entrusted to pitch an inning haven't done so often enough. And if you're talking overuse, which some people think is the problem, only two Twins are among the top 50 relief pitchers in games. So I'm not sure where people are getting that. 

     

     

    The baserunning? I don't even know what to say about that. 

     

    And injuries are going to make ALL of that worse by forcing the coach to insert replacement players. The good news for the Twins has been the emergence of Eduardo Escobar as an offensive force. But when your center fielder is Ryan Lamarre, your team is going to have some problems.

     

    Back your contentions up. And if you simply point to the team's record, which is legitimate, you have to take into account injuries. 

     

    Tell you what: I'll take that into account.

     

    The loss of Ervin Santana, Byron Buxton, Miguel Sano, Jason Castro and Jorge Polanco removed 17 wins above replacement from the starting nine. 

     

    As roughly, what, 40% of the season is done? That's about seven wins.

     

    Twins would be in first place, theoretically, with those players in the lineup, playing simply at the level they performed last year. And we aren't having this conversation.

    What defensive gaffes?  Rosario throwing to the wrong base or no base in particular.  Grossman airmailing cutoff men.  Throwing down to 2B to nab a slow as molasses runner stealing 2B while the runner on 3B scampers home to score.  These aren't physical errors, they're mental and they happen far too frequently for a professional baseball team.

     

    What baserunning gaffes?  Logan Morrison getting picked off of 2B late in a tie game.  Rosario rounding 1B on a hit to RF and getting picked off when the throw goes behind him.  Getting in more rundowns than a Little League team.  These are mental errors and they happen far to frequently for a professional baseball team.

     

    Neither of those two things require any particular level of skill, just awareness of what's going on.  

     

    Poor bullpen management - I'll refer you to Chielf's comment (post #48) above since he already did the work for me.

     

    These things contribute to the overall record and have no relation to the injuries you're using as an excuse.  

     

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    The Twins have played 68 games. Pressly has appeared in 36, Reed/Duke 32, and Hildenberger 31.

     

    At that pace, Pressly will make 85 appearances, Reed/Duke 76, and Hildenberger 73.

     

    For reference, those numbers would have been 1st, 4th, and 5th in the majors last year. 79 appearances led the majors. Rogers led the Twins with 69 appearances (but only 55 IP), Matt Belisle was second with 62. No other reliever had more than 57.

     

    All four of Pressly/Reed/Duke/Hildy are, or certainly appear to be, overworked IMO

     

    Maybe they might be on pace to be "1st, 4th and 5th in the majors" but they are not remotely "1st, 4th and 5th" in the majors this year. Only Pressly is in the top 20.

     

    And by the way, we're talking about a reliever whose ERA has improved by more than a full run over last year. So maybe he IS "overworked," as you say, but he clearly likes the way he's being worked this year because his numbers are vastly improved. It's a ridiculous complaint at this point. 

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    What defensive gaffes?  Rosario throwing to the wrong base or no base in particular.  Grossman airmailing cutoff men.  Throwing down to 2B to nab a slow as molasses runner stealing 2B while the runner on 3B scampers home to score.  These aren't physical errors, they're mental and they happen far too frequently for a professional baseball team.

     

    What baserunning gaffes?  Logan Morrison getting picked off of 2B late in a tie game.  Rosario rounding 1B on a hit to RF and getting picked off when the throw goes behind him.  Getting in more rundowns than a Little League team.  These are mental errors and they happen far to frequently for a professional baseball team.

     

    Neither of those two things require any particular level of skill, just awareness of what's going on.  

     

    Poor bullpen management - I'll refer you to Chielf's comment (post #48) above since he already did the work for me.

     

    These things contribute to the overall record and have no relation to the injuries you're using as an excuse.  

     

    And yet the injuries have had a far worse impact. And chief's reliever comments completely ignore that only one of those three relievers is currently among the top 10 in the league in appearances. 

     

    You pointed to a few gaffes. That hardly counts as solid statistics. Give me a few minutes and I'll find some baserunning and defensive lapses by the Houston Astros, New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox and the Chicago Cubs. 

     

    And in any event, injuries mean you have more replacement players getting more playing time than they should, which exposes all of that. 

     

    It is completely unfair to look at the first half of 2018 and simply say, "Well, bad managing ..." when the team has lost so many starters. Injuries happen. That many injuries to that many starters at one time is not usual.

     

    Talk to me at the end of the year, after Polanco, Buxton, Sano and Santana have all returned and contributed a significant portion to the season. But simply pointing to a few mistakes and some very debatable statistics on bullpen use simply does not work. 

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    Paul Molitor deserves a share of the blame for what has happened this year. He has made some very questionable in-game decisions. In particular, he has not utilized the pitching staff effectively at all times.

     

    However, he has also come along in some aspects. For example, the lineup. He has finally gotten on board with Mauer as the leadoff hitter and dropping Dozier down, while leaving Rosario, the best hitter, in the #2 hole. Mauer in the leadoff spot should have happened 4 years ago.

     

    He is not the ideal manager for the modern game of baseball. He is still stuck in his old ways in a number of areas of the game and is not analytics-driven. Undoubtedly, he is not Falvine's ideal manager. However, he will still be spared by the team's good record last year. 

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    And yet the injuries have had a far worse impact. And chief's reliever comments completely ignore that only one of those three relievers is currently among the top 10 in the league in appearances. 

     

    You pointed to a few gaffes. That hardly counts as solid statistics. Give me a few minutes and I'll find some baserunning and defensive lapses by the Houston Astros, New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox and the Chicago Cubs. 

     

    And in any event, injuries mean you have more replacement players getting more playing time than they should, which exposes all of that. 

     

    It is completely unfair to look at the first half of 2018 and simply say, "Well, bad managing ..." when the team has lost so many starters. Injuries happen. That many injuries to that many starters at one time is not usual.

     

    Talk to me at the end of the year, after Polanco, Buxton, Sano and Santana have all returned and contributed a significant portion to the season. But simply pointing to a few mistakes and some very debatable statistics on bullpen use simply does not work. 

    I gave you some examples, there are plenty more.  Were you expecting me to list all of them?  Sure, things happen to even good teams.  They happen more to bad teams.

     

    At no point have I claimed that I was looking at just 2018.  In fact, I have clearly stated that I am looking at Molitor's entire managerial resume.  These are things that have plagued his teams throughout his tenure, not just this year.  His resume includes a .466 winning percentage.  I don't know where that sort of record, accrued over a handful of seasons equates to good; especially in a division as putrid as the Central has been during that time.

     

    At this point, we're going to have to agree to disagree.  It's pretty clear that we won't agree on much regarding this topic.

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    Maybe they might be on pace to be "1st, 4th and 5th in the majors" but they are not remotely "1st, 4th and 5th" in the majors this year. Only Pressly is in the top 20.

     

    And by the way, we're talking about a reliever whose ERA has improved by more than a full run over last year. So maybe he IS "overworked," as you say, but he clearly likes the way he's being worked this year because his numbers are vastly improved. It's a ridiculous complaint at this point. 

    Check the number of games played by each team. Hint: The Twins have played the fewest games in the majors, so counting stats are going to be a little misleading. Rate stats, less so.

     

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    Also: Pressly's numbers by month:

     

    Apr: 0.59 ERA, 1.109 WHIP

    May: 4.15 ERA, 1.462 WHIP

    Jun: 9.00 ERA, 1.833 WHIP

     

    Some of that might be SSS noise, but the trend is pretty striking, no? So I'm not sure he really "likes" the way he's been worked. And I'd like to see where his ERA ends up at the end of the season if he keeps appearing in every other Twins game

    as he has so far.

     

     

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    Buster Olney had a good blog recently about how managers have a shrinking role in the outcome of the modern game. He cited one unnamed veteran manager as saying "There’s almost nothing for me to do [during a game]. You change the pitchers, and you wait for somebody to hit a home run. You’re not doing nearly as much stuff as you used to. You don’t even think about doing some of that stuff."

     

    When you boil it down, for better or worse, Molitor hasn't done a lot of tinkering.

     

    He's called just 8 sac bunts this year, which is on the lower end of the AL (Gardenhire's Tigers have bunted just TWICE this season).

     

    They've tried to steal just 32 times, fourth lowest amount in baseball. They also have been picked off 10 times, behind just the Nationals in that amazing category. 

     

    They've had runners cut down at home an MLB-leading 13 times (they had 17 outs at home all of last year) but they have been fairly aggressive in this area, sending runners from 2nd home on a single or a runner on 1st home on a double at a higher clip than most teams. This is a similar trend that made them successful last year, albeit with different components thanks to injuries.

     

    In 2016 and 2015, the Twins were not nearly as aggressive on the bases. They tried to swipe bases but they were not trying to push runners across like they have the last two years. I don't know if this is the manager imparting his will on the strategy to take more chances or not. (In 1992 Molitor was 2nd in the AL in outs at the plate with 6. He definitely tried to make things happen.) 

     

    As far as bullpen management, outside of the love affair of Ryan Pressly, he's made reasonable decisions. He's called on Pressly 11 times on back-to-back days (which is one of the highest amounts in MLB). Part of it I actually understand too. Pressly's been called upon in late/close situations, often when there have been runners on base (19 inherited runners). At that point, Molitor is looking to miss bats and no one does that more frequently than Pressly. With one more bat-misser in the bullpen for the mid-to-late innings and he'd probably ease up on him.

     

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    (Also, it's amazing how much Gardenhire is redlining his bullpen in Detroit. Several guys at the top of the list of arms who are asked to go on consecutive days.)

     

     

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    I think if you gave Molitor a talented team of veteran players he would be a very good manager.  

     

    I think the real problem with having Molitor as the manager is that he is not a rebuilding guy.  We need someone who can patiently work with the younger players, accept their mistakes and work with them to correct, and accept the ensuing losses.  

     

    That the Twins have not committed to that manager and that rebuilding philosophy is why we are where we are today.  

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    Santana + Buxton + Sano + Castro + Polanco = 17 WAR.  None currently playing. All of them have missed most of the season thus far, at least. Plus Mauer's absence, which hurt a lot and which I've never mentioned. 

     

    Injuries matter. They matter a lot. 

     

    And you're so wrong on Santana it's not even funny. He has not been "easily replaced." You do not "easily replace" a good starter like that. Santana's absence forced the Twins to go with Phil Hughes in the rotation early, then replace him with Fernando Romero. Romero was great early and has been exposed more recently. So no. He has NOT been easily replaced.

     

    17 WAR? This year? Or all of last year?
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    Check the number of games played by each team. Hint: The Twins have played the fewest games in the majors, so counting stats are going to be a little misleading. Rate stats, less so.

     

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    Also: Pressly's numbers by month:

     

    Apr: 0.59 ERA, 1.109 WHIP

    May: 4.15 ERA, 1.462 WHIP

    Jun: 9.00 ERA, 1.833 WHIP

     

    Some of that might be SSS noise, but the trend is pretty striking, no? So I'm not sure he really "likes" the way he's been worked. And I'd like to see where his ERA ends up at the end of the season if he keeps appearing in every other Twins game

    as he has so far.

    Add this: The other day Pressly was brought into a game with us up 6? That alone bordered on incompetence.
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    I don't know. There is so much I don't see in his role.

     

    It is critical that Falvey and Levine have made an accurate assessment. The Twins need a top 10 manager. Average isn't good enough.

    I'm curious what you and others think what criteria is considered to be a top 10 manager?

     

    It's tough for me to define how good a manager is. I believe there are some that are better than others like Francona. Does it boil down to intangibles that we as fans can't see and measure?

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    I'm curious what you and others think what criteria is considered to be a top 10 manager?

    It's tough for me to define how good a manager is. I believe there are some that are better than others like Francona. Does it boil down to intangibles that we as fans can't see and measure?

    Tough for me to evaluate also but that doesn’t matter. It better be something Falvey does well and he can’t accept an average manager. They need better.

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