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    Jamie Cameron

    Tyler Duffey nearly blew a five run lead against the Blue Jays on Sunday. With the AL Central there for the taking, it's time for the Twins to move on.

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    On Sunday, in a series against a red hot playoff contender, Tyler Duffey entered the game with a 8-3 lead, courtesy of solid pitching, some good luck, and a remarkable offensive performance by the Twins against Kevin Gausman. He left it having given up a walk, three hits, a three-run home run, and recording just two outs. Jovani Moran replaced Duffey to get the final out for the Twins and secure an unlikely series win in Toronto.

    I’m not usually one to advocate for reactionary moves or cut bait on long-time contributors to the team, but it’s time to move on from Tyler Duffey.

    Duffey By the Numbers
    Let’s start by putting some of Duffey’s 2022 numbers in perspective. Out of 193 qualified relievers, he ranks 172nd in ERA, 187th in xERA, and 170th in HR/9. I could go on, but I won’t. Suffice to say, there are a lot of categories in which Duffey ranks in the bottom handful of relievers in the league.

    If we look into more advanced numbers, we see a similar story. Looking at his Statcast profile percentiles, Duffey is 6th percentile in average exit velocity, first percentile in HardHit%, first percentile is xBA. The list goes on, and it does not make for encouraging reading.

    Results and Process
    Duffey’s numbers may be poor, but perhaps a peek under the hood tells a story his numbers do not? After all, we’re talking about the same reliever who managed a 33.6 K% and 2.79 xERA in 2020, and was even better in 2019. 
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    Duffey’s command tells the story of his 2022. Here’s the location of his four seam fastball in 2022.
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    Here’s the location of his curveball in 2022.
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    Let’s compare the curveball to that of Jhoan Duran in 2022.
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    There are two major takeaways here. Duffey is leaving his fastball out over the heart of the plate far too often. He has some of the poorest velocity and stuff in the Twins bullpen. Duffey’s fastball location is a non-starter. Simply put, it is not a good enough pitch to have location this poor. Opposing hitters are teeing off on it, to the tune of a .649 SLG and 64% hard hit %.

    Additionally, he’s throwing too many uncompetitive curveballs. There are too many breaking pitches starting off the plate and finishing way off the plate. Hitters are picking up on this and sitting on his fastball because his curveball often starts slightly too low or too far outside.

    Roster Crunch
    Duffey earns $3.2 million in 2022, hardly expensive for a reliever. Even though from a performance perspective I think he should be DFA'd, I think it’s unlikely the Twins will. He has a lengthy tenure with the team and is a strong presence in the clubhouse. The challenge becomes, who do you send down to the minors to keep Duffey on the roster? Every option I can think of has an advantage in velocity or stuff that I wouldn’t sacrifice to keep Duffey on the team. Trevor Megill? Throws 98 mph and has a 36% K% in his first 8 innings. Jharel Cotton? 3.22 xERA so far in 2022. Jovani Moran? 46% K% and a legitimately dominant left-handed changeup. Throw into the mix that Jorge Alcala will return to the team in the next week and give the bullpen a much needed boost and the Twins could have a bullpen crunch in the near future.

    Duffey has been an incredible servant to the Twins and burned brightly in 2019 and 2020 as a legitimately dominant reliever. But now is not a time for sentimentality. The AL Central is there for the taking. Which inning of a close game do you want Tyler Duffey pitching in September against the White Sox?

     

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    Yes, it's time.

    By the way, I looked through the minor league standings yesterday and discovered that all the following are presently true:

    Wichita has allowed the fewest runs of any Texas League team.

    Cedar Rapids has allowed the fewest runs of any Midwest League team.

    Fort Myers has allowed the fewest runs of any Florida State League team.

    I'm infrequent to this site, so I'm sure this has been talked about a lot here.  Such an "alignment of the planets" causes dangerous giddiness to emerge in me about the Twins' future.  I welcome a bucket of ice water if necessary.

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    7 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

    I too wonder how much rope the Twins will give for Duffey. He has been Colume-like bad so far this season. The numbers don't lie. 

    Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing, "Colume-like".  I like Duffey but I agree with the OP. There is literally no reason to swing at any of his breaking stuff as those pitches are generally all out of the zone.  He can't throw strikes with them and or can't disguise those pitches well enough to get swings and misses.  He is living and dying with his fastball trying to spin his way out of situations but the ball is being hit hard and bad things are happening.  As several have already mentioned if this is who he is, I honestly think the team is better off without him right now.

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    You have to think an IL stint is coming for Duffy. I watched him yesterday and he couldn't throw strikes with his curveball. The Jays just didn't even consider offering at his breaking pitches. They then jumped all over his fastball, even if it was 94 with some movement. He can't pitch his way out of this. 

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    24 minutes ago, Brandon said:

    I think a demotion to low leverage only situations is in order..  I don’t see the Twins releasing him either but there are better options internally at the moment.

    Yesterday was, when he entered the game, a very low-leverage situation, and he almost blew it; he simply isn't worthy of a MLB bullpen spot at the moment.

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    I'd only put him into spots similar to where he failed for now.  However, don't wait until the 11th hour to warm up a replacement and create an unnecessary situation.

    IL is also fine with me.  Moran or Cotton need longer looks.  I'd rather see failure from younger, controlled arms than an older, declining vet in a contract year.

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    Well, every team needs a mop up guy if the game is beyond reach. Until the Twins depth pushes him (and Thielbar) out of the picture, he is here to stay.

    Someone mentioned about ALL the fine arms in the Twins farm clubs at AA, A+ and A. Sadly, they aren't at AAA.

    Duffey is proving himself to be better than Minaya, who will be the next casuality sent out when someone returns. Hamilton got his one-shot and might've blown it. Unless desparate, don't see the Twins adding him to the 40-man, yet. Cotton will play the up-and-dpown game until someone claims him and his $700,000 salary. He's not officially on the 40-man and will remain so until the Twins decide he is entitled to a reaaaaaal long look.

    Megill is doing okay. If the Twins are forced to make a decision when they need to add Coulombe, Alcala and Stashak back, he will be in the mix as a keeper or goer. As well as Stashak and Coulombe.

    Cano and Moran will get the righty/lefty up-and-down call in the far future, after the Twins have run thru na slug of minor league free agents.

    Maybe Tyler Thornburg will be one shuffled thru. WWladimir Pinto is throwing well out of the pen. Mario Sanchez has been decent as a starter/bullpen guy, who could possibly give the Twins multiple innings. Tyler Bashlor is someone to watch.

    The Twins actually need to thin the ranks at St. Paul, allowing guys like Sisk, Scherff and maybe Sammons (because he is a lefty and the Twins need to make decisions on him). Viza was lights out at AA but is not working out at AAA. Remember the wacky arm of Jordan Gore, hitter turned pitcher? He may go the way of once touted Ryan Mason, which I sometimes disagree with as we should give a longer leash to players we have developed than guys we sign from the outside.

    Austin Schulfer is doing good, but the 40-man will remain full until the off-season, which is when the Twins would have to consider adding him anyways.

    So Duffey stays. I guess we could live with the decision to pitch him in a game in which we had a 5-run lead, although giving up a home run and putting a runner on base so whomever follows him just needs to give up a home run for a tie game, had us hurling whatever we had on the lap, couch, endtable at the television that was still left in our possession after Rocco pulled Smeltzer after just 64-pitches and four innings...the one guy who has pitched the longest into a game and thrown the msot pitches of anyone this season!!!!!

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    Oh boy duffey  ....

    As others posted he is so predictable with only 2 pitches and doesn't locate accurately  ... 

    Mop up duty in a 5 run lead and he couldn't get the job done ,,, 

    If duffey is going to lose a game for us I would like it to be in the earlier innings  ,,, it would have been devastating had we lost that game because duffey ...

    Duffey should not be pitching when the twins have any lead , so he should be a mop up pitcher until they finally cut ties of him  ....

    Also there should always be a pitcher warming up when duffey is on the mound ready to spell him if the first 3 batters give him trouble  , a bloop and a blast is all he is good for ,,,, I like a bloop and a blast only when our twins hitters do it ...

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    I would not full DFA him yet.  I would put him in much lower leverage outings and see how are many other rotating arms can do in high leverage situations, hoping Duffy can work through his issues.  He has history of having a good run, maybe he can regain it. 

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    The main issue with Duffey this year is that even his outings where it was clean the batters looked very eager to get to the plate. I don't think he is fooling any hitters at this point. An IL move and rehab stint may allow Duffey to reset. It is always tough to see the cruelty of competition eat up a declining athlete. Hopefully, Duffey can rebound - it just seems farfetched right now.

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    They can't simply IL him.  There needs to be documentation from the team doctor of an injury and the MLB medical director needs to sign off.  Can they find some phantom injury as teams often do? Probably, it would be pretty suspicious though, maybe even enough that the league would actually step in.  He's never been on the IL in his major league career so it's not easy to point to an old injury flare up or anything like that.

    It's hard to point to anything drastic in his pitches that have changed.  The fastball has continued to slow slightly, though he lost the most velocity from 2019 to 2020.  The curveball characteristics aren't too different either, though it has gotten closer to the league averages as the leaguewide movement has increased somewhat.  Probably his control has been just a bit farther off too.  I don't know exactly what it is, its probably a combination of a lot of small things.  But those statcast hard hit numbers paint a very clear picture.  He's been hit very hard.  He's had a few short stretches of relative success but I think even within those there were some well hit outs.

    He's not always going to implode as bad as he did yesterday.  I think he can fill a low leverage role while they try to work out who among guys like Moran, Megill, Cotton, etc. are ready for a bigger role.  It's not like the bullpen is overflowing as it is. If a few guys step up and he hasn't made much progress in a month or two then maybe we can have the DFA conversation again.

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    1. There are no low-leverage-only spots in a modern bullpen. When the expectation is 3 or more relievers EVERY night, and many nights 4 or 5, every reliever is going to be pitching in high leverage situations. Often. It can't be avoided.

    2. Duffey zoomed up out of nowhere in 2019, close to that in a short 2020. Went back to normal when "grip enhancers" became a thing in 2021. Perhaps unfairly, I'm suspicious.

    3. Duffey is bad, but I don't think there are 7 or 8 consistently better options in the organization, 

    4. I keep asking for bullpen talent every winter, and I keep reading reasons why they don't need to add...well, this is what you get.

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    Apparently, a Doctor must document an actual injury before a player can be put on the IL.   So here are two ways to get that accomplished -  Put Duffy in Centerfield at Target Field for a game.  He’ll be on the IL before the game is over, based on the history of Twins Center Fielders.  Or maybe get one of the No-Vax Four to be Tyler Duffy’s roommate on the road.  

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    The division is ripe for the taking. If he had been left in...yesterday would've been an absolutely devastating loss. There's some room for sentiment, so put him on the IL. 

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    If we had a fully functioning BP we could DFA him, but we don't.  We have a lot of guys that can look good for a week or two and that is all.  The promotion of Alcala back to the pen could be the excuse for an IL stint.  I do not look for Duffey to be here next year.  If we cut bait with Rogers I cannot see a reason to be sentimental with Duffey.  Someone will pick him up and he will be fine, but we need more quality and dependability. 

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    I'd expect to see him here thru the rest of the season, but I have to believe he's gone after that. He seems to be really fighting himself too. He's completely lost his confidence. At one time, he was a relatively reliable middle relief guy, but he's always had trouble when put into higher level situations. He certainly isn't someone that could/can be trusted to close games. Yesterday was an absolutely a disaster, that almost resulted in blowing that 5 run lead. He's gotta go. 

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    2 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

    For whom? 

    Yep. 

    Smeltzer's good run continues and he slides into a solid setup role when Ryan and Gray are back? The FO is proactive rather than reactive with the 40 man and we see Canterino sooner rather than later?

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    With Cotton not on the 40 man and pitching pretty well, we need to find a roster spot for him. Cotton is only here because of the unvaccinated guys, so he can be sent down without passing through waivers. Duffey has been awful this year and we need his spot for Cotton. Unless we transfer him to the 60 day IL, he’s just cluttering up the roster. Time to cut ties.

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    Hmm. While he has not lost a lot of velocity, his 4SFB spends too much time up in the zone. At 94, it was okay, but not at 92? When I watch him, it looks like he's throwing in the high-80's. I hope the hitters don't feel the same.

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    2 hours ago, Monticore said:

    The division is ripe for the taking. If he had been left in...yesterday would've been an absolutely devastating loss. There's some room for sentiment, so put him on the IL. 

    That loss would have been worse than the Seattle loss and KC loss since the lead was bigger and against a better team. 

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