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    Ted Schwerzler

    After acquiring Jake Odorizzi in mid-February, the Minnesota Twins got a much-needed boost to the starting rotation. Knowing that a top-three starter needed to be the main area of focus this offseason, a swap with the Rays brought a level of stability. Since that point though, smoke has billowed from Hammond Stadium, and it’s worth wondering if Derek Falvey isn’t quite done wheeling and dealing.

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    On February 18, the Star Tribune’s Phil Miller tweeted that Falvey was quoted as saying “I’m not turning my phone off” in regard to adding another starter. Since that date, Darren Wolfson reported on 1500 ESPN radio that Minnesota lowballed Lance Lynn, and then more reports surfaced in early March suggesting an offer of two years and $20 million was made to the former Cardinals starter. Just under a $3 million boost on the rejected qualifying offer probably isn’t going to get it done, but it’s hard to ignore the makings of a fire being in place.

    Jake Arrieta, Alex Cobb and Lance Lynn are the trio the baseball world is currently focused on. While Mike Moustakas, Neil Walker, and a host of position players remain unsigned, it’s impact pitchers that are generally in short supply. With those three arms still to be had, almost every outlet sees Minnesota as a logical landing spot. On ESPN, David Schoenfield put five teams down as his “best bets” to land one of them. While the Brewers should be competitive with their additions, it’s the Twins and Nationals that look the best of the bunch (excluding the Orioles and Phillies). His piece can be added to the long list of articles making the suggestion that Minnesota make another move, but the question remains if, and if so, who?

    Of the group, it seems as though Jake Arrieta remains the most remote possibility. Being a Scott Boras client, Arrieta has sought a massive payday and has seemingly stood behind that notion. After peaking late, Arrieta has put just four strong seasons of work together. In a Cubs uniform, he looked the part of an ace and picked up a Cy Young award in 2015. At 32 years-old however, there’s a lot of mileage on the arm, and the decline could be both sharp and immediate.

    Should the Twins continue to create the Rays of the Midwest, then Alex Cobb has to be considered. Both Logan Morrison and Jake Odorizzi serve as recruiters, while pitching guru Josh Kalk is already in house. Undergoing Tommy John surgery, Cobb has just 34 starts under his belt since 2014. At 30 however, age is still on his side and the 2.82 ERA from 2013-14 looks dazzling in retrospect. Minnesota has to have some level of belief that there’s more to be unleashed than the 3.66 ERA and 6.4 K/9 of 2017, but he too would represent a clear upgrade.

    Rounding out the trio is the name the Twins have been most tied to, Lance Lynn. If not for Yu Darvish, it was probably Lynn who presented the most intriguing combination of dollars and sense on the free agent market this offseason. Also a Tommy John survivor, Lynn will soon be 31 and bounced back to start a league high 33 games in 2017. The career 3.4 BB/9 isn’t ideal for a starter, and jumping up to 3.8 in 2017 is worrisome. However, he’s consistently posted K/9 totals over 8.0 and that’s something the Twins would love to have on the bump.

    As things stand, the Twins have exactly three weeks left until Opening Day in Baltimore. That same time frame applies to those players still left on the open market. Derek Falvey and Thad Levine could run Kyle Gibson and Phil Hughes to the mound as 50% of their starting rotation (until Ervin Santana returns), but that duo doesn’t provide much confidence for a team with postseason aspirations. Both represent solid depth options, but with money left in attempts to reach 51% of revenues, a path to an upgrade is in clear view.

    The longer the process drags on, the more negative the impact becomes for both sides. Getting free agents into camp and acclimated should be of integral importance, regardless of it being with the Twins or elsewhere. Although it’s not as if the players are simply doing nothing, gearing up their throwing programs within the organization is a far better use of time. Examples of late-signing free agents aren’t plentiful, and signings well into the season bring back bad memories of Stephen Drew and Kendrys Morales. Despite being tied to draft pick compensation, both a team and the player budging a bit makes too much sense not to get done.

    When the smoke clears, I’m inclined to believe Minnesota will have one more new face in the clubhouse. Lynn seems to be the odds-on favorite, with Cobb or no one coming in ahead of Arrieta. A one-year pact to give up the pick would be tough, but a two-year deal hardly benefits guys looking for some stability. One thing is certain, the calendar isn’t stopping and we’ll have resolution at some point.

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    In a perfect world where Romero and Gonsalves pan out and can make 25-30 starts in the majors next year that works.

    But in the real world you have to plan in case things don't.

    Imagine we extend Dozier and Buxton, and Gibson sucks, Odorizz is average, Romero can't handle starting and Gonzo is just a 4 or 5.

    Then we are in the same place we have been, looking to trade Dozier/Santana  and playing for 2021 or 2022 when the pitchers in A ball come up.

     

    I say offer Cobb or Lynn 15 million for one year and a team option for another 15 million with a couple million buy out.

    I am not worried about losing the pick or the 40 man spot. Since Vargas and Sanchez.

     

    I think to get this done you'd have to offer a player option. So two years $28 million with $15 million this year. That way the player is a little protected in case of injury (which is what players want for long term deals) but still have the ability to get out after a year if they pitch super well.

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    Unfortunately, it looks like the Twins resigned Gibson.  Terrible mistake, imho.

    Trade Hughes for a PTBNL. Any player....

    No team wants Hughes and his contract, the Twins couldn't trade him even if they ate 90% of his contract. Gibson wasn't expensive and he was the Twins best starter the last three months of last year.

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    No team wants Hughes and his contract, the Twins couldn't trade him even if they ate 90% of his contract. Gibson wasn't expensive and he was the Twins best starter the last three months of last year.

    Do the rest of the months, when he was the Twins worst starter count?

     

    And for the record, he was awful in July, so he was good for 2 months.

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    I’m hoping a signing isn’t coming. I’d rather stick with for Romero and a Gonsalves than sign Cobb or Lynn or any of the other remaining FA’s.

     

    HOWEVER, I would love it if a trade for a legit #1 was in the works.

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    Do the rest of the months, when he was the Twins worst starter count?

    And for the record, he was awful in July, so he was good for 2 months.

    The rest of the months count much less.

     

    He made the wise decision to work his four seamer and reduce his two seamer those months while Lynn did the opposite. His improvement was most likely due to a change in philosophy; who in their right mind would dump him after he finally demonstrated that he understood what his problem was, took action on it and succeeded?

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    The rest of the months count much less.

     

    He made the wise decision to work his four seamer and reduce his two seamer those months while Lynn did the opposite. His improvement was most likely due to a change in philosophy; who in their right mind would dump him after he finally demonstrated that he understood what his problem was, took action on it and succeeded?

    2017 looked just like his career. While getting an Arbitration salary there’s value with Gibson, but i don’t buy that he turned a corner. Same with Lynn or Cobb, I think either one of them would be a not huge, but decent upgrade over Gibson. Maybe working with Alston and Falvey can improve value from one of them. That’s a huge improvement over Hughes or Sanchez and slots Mejia in 5th, Gibson in 4th. So you’d have fewer starts from the weakest links.

     

    When Santana comes back, exercise Mejia’s option and now you could have a heck of a solid 1-5 rotation. No Ace per say, but good as a whole, at least good enough to get 90 wins if they hit like last year.

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    The rest of the months count much less.

     

    He made the wise decision to work his four seamer and reduce his two seamer those months while Lynn did the opposite. His improvement was most likely due to a change in philosophy; who in their right mind would dump him after he finally demonstrated that he understood what his problem was, took action on it and succeeded?

    I never suggested dumping him.

    But I don't think he's suddenly a good pitcher either.

    He's not the first mediocre pitcher to have a good 2 month stretch.

    He's been pretty consistent the last couple years, and that's likely about what he'll be again in 2018.

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    I never suggested dumping him.
    But I don't think he's suddenly a good pitcher either.
    He's not the first mediocre pitcher to have a good 2 month stretch.
    He's been pretty consistent the last couple years, and that's likely about what he'll be again in 2018.

    He has been consistently inconsistent. 

     

    I'm not sure why we're supposed to put more stock into a handful of games against bad teams and expanded rosters rather than almost 2 years of entirely underwhelming pitching. 

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    He has been consistently inconsistent.

     

    I'm not sure why we're supposed to put more stock into a handful of games against bad teams and expanded rosters rather than almost 2 years of entirely underwhelming pitching.

    its Gleeman and the Geek

     

    Bonnes: Gibson’s turned the corner! Let’s get him wrapped up before he gets expensive

     

    Gleeman: he does this every year... his stats are always the same and yet you want to get into a long term contract. He’s a 5th starter John, you need to produce a new Gibson from your farm system before he becomes a free agent.

    Bonnes: I think he figured it out

     

    Sconnie (shouting at car stereo): we already have Gibson 2.0 in Mejia, let’s improve the front of the rotation

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    Would you give Cobb the same offer Lynn got? 2/$20mil? 

    If it comes down to Cobb I would only do a one year offer. We have the young studs in the wings ready to roll. With Cobbs numbers not that great recently why would we do anything else?

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    Why?

    Why not? Do you think there is a significant difference between Cobb and Lynn? Cobb put up two seasons prior to TJ surgery with sub-3 ERA and 8K/9 in the AL East. My biggest concern with him is a lack of innings, although he put up about 180 last year.

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    Why not? Do you think there is a significant difference between Cobb and Lynn? Cobb put up two seasons prior to TJ surgery with sub-3 ERA and 8K/9 in the AL East. My biggest concern with him is a lack of innings, although he put up about 180 last year.

    Cobb has lost his splitter which was his best pitch by far. His swinging strike rate went from 21% to 12% and his SLG% against went from .252 to .514 on his splitter with a similar increase in BA. Because of this he threw it about half as often in 2017. As such I don't think what he did in 2014 has any bearing on what happens in 2018 for Alex Cobb. He is a totally different pitcher post TJ.

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    Why not? Do you think there is a significant difference between Cobb and Lynn? Cobb put up two seasons prior to TJ surgery with sub-3 ERA and 8K/9 in the AL East. My biggest concern with him is a lack of innings, although he put up about 180 last year.

     

    There is a difference between the two from what I can tell. Cobb finished the season very strong. By contrast, Lynn's numbers declined alarmingly as the season proceeded. And need we forget how few NL pitchers have come in here and helped?

     

    First half:

     

    Cobb- K/9 5.31 BB/9 2.34 GB% 45.4

    Lynn- K/9 8.18 BB/0 3.34 GB% 52.3

     

    Second half:

     

    Cobb- K/9 7.31   BB/9 1.97 GB% 52.3

    Lynn- K/9 6.43   BB/9  4.29 GB% 46.1 

     

    In the last two months, the case for Cobb becomes even more compelling:

     

    Aug/Sep:

     

    Cobb- K/9 8.92 BB/9 1.88 GB% 54.1

    Lynn- K/9 6.49 BB/9 4.83 GB% 45.7

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    Cobb has lost his splitter which was his best pitch by far. His swinging strike rate went from 21% to 12% and his SLG% against went from .252 to .514 on his splitter with a similar increase in BA. Because of this he threw it about half as often in 2017. As such I don't think what he did in 2014 has any bearing on what happens in 2018 for Alex Cobb. He is a totally different pitcher post TJ.

     

    I think it's fair to say both Cobb and Lynn are different pitchers post-injury years. But Cobb hands down looks like the better adapter to the reality of his new skill set. And as posted above, Cobb improved significantly as he adapted as the season progressed, while Lynn was notably wilder and less able to generate KOs and ground balls.

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