Giants 13, Twins 8: Bullpen Vets Lead Twins To Loss

Good work!

Hard to figure why Molitor brought in Belisle in the 7th up by a run.  Or, why he left him in after a lead-off walk, an infield hit, a double, another double, etc.

But, with a winning road trip in the bag, it's a luxury to be able to rest Duffy, Kintzler and Rogers.

It's still a loss though, in a game they could have won.

Turley did not have good command, but he does have good stuff.  He can help once he gets used to the Majors.

If Sano had a better game, on both sides of the ball, the Twins win this one easily.

Are Belisle and Breslow better than Hildenberger, Melotakis and Curtiss? Seems like a good time to find out how good a couple of these guys are. 

If leadership is demonstrating how to handle miserable results the Twins have gotten their money's worth.  So that lesson learned - lets move on.  I can tolerate young arms imploding more than old ones on this team. 

If the twins let Belisle fly home on the team plane that was a mistake. They should have cut him after the game, and said we have and will pay you quite a bit a money. Good Luck

There is no reason to have a 37 pitcher with an ERA of 8.59 on this or any team.

This type of performance and management is becoming too predictable. Someone is in over his head.

Two things--Buxton is so fast he doesn't even look like he's running fast in that video.

Second--when a catch is assigned a catch rate of 44%, is that number based on Buxtons abilities, or a generic fielder? For instance, if Grossman was for some inexplicable reason playing center field when that ball was hit, it's nowhere near a 44% chanc it's caught.

When I see a young man who is chasing his dream to get to the Major Leagues I am always kind of pulling for him. After years of sub-minimum wages in the minor leagues I hope he gets a real chance to show he can succeed in MLB.

I cannot generate the same level of patience with a 37 year old pitcher who has had, by nearly any measure, a successful MLB career. After making >$24 million he has been well rewarded for all his hard work. Congratulations!

I have to agree with mikelink45 above, though when he said "I can tolerate young arms imploding more than old ones on this team."

I think we fans need to stop making excuses for Belisle. It's entirely likely that a 3 run (or more) meltdown in less than 1 IP every couple weeks is simply who he is now. He's already had 4 such outings. What's the point of keeping a guy that you have zero confidence to use in any kind of close game? It's time to cut bait.

Time for Belisle to go. I hate to say it. I wanted to see him get his era down to the high 4s but i don't see that as a possibility anymore. Not worth a spot at his production level. Though we could swing a trade and restart the Neshek era again.

I thought I would take a look at his game logs for this season - 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/5829/matt-belisle

Man, when he goes south he goes in a big way.   Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde. He is pitching more like a rookie, I would expect a veteran to be able to collect themselves and limit the damage in those situations. He has had several nice quiet outings as well but the overall line is ugly.   

I thought I would take a look at his game logs for this season - 

 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/5829/matt-belisle

 

Man, when he goes south he goes in a big way.   Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde. He is pitching more like a rookie, I would expect a veteran to be able to collect themselves and limit the damage in those situations. He has had several nice quiet outings as well but the overall line is ugly.   

He was great last year, but this year he has 4 utter meltdowns and 3 more bad performances on top of those 4.

It looks like he is missing the strike zone v. righties.  He's trying to be too fancy. His velocity is up a touch, if he slows down a bit so he can have better control he should be fine.

But games like the last one, he's gotta stop that.  .

He was great last year, but this year he has 4 utter meltdowns and 3 more bad performances on top of those 4.

It looks like he is missing the strike zone v. righties.  He's trying to be too fancy. His velocity is up a touch, if he slows down a bit so he can have better control he should be fine.

But games like the last one, he's gotta stop that.  .

He can work on that stuff for someone else. He should have been gone a month ago. 

Fair enough, I should have said "Are people STILL making excuses". I do think a front office is almost always going to give a free agent signing a couple of months before they move on.

 

They've probably hit that point though. As soon as Pressly is back he's gone, and I wouldn't be surprised if Breslow soon follows, now that Boshers looks competent. Once Breslow goes, it will give them a bullpen spot to start rotating some of the prospects through. Wimmers can stay as the long man for now.

No really, he can't be. Wimmers does not have the ability to get MLB hitters out with any kind of regularity. 25 pitches already and he's gotten 3 outs.

40 pitches. 4 outs. Not exactly qualifying as a long man.

IMO Belisle and Wimmers can both be DFA. Next!!! At some point maybe it will be Busenitz or Hildenberger. There aren't many left down there to try.

Edit: Rochester is off today. Hildenberger threw over 30 pitches Sunday. Busenitz just 15.