Game Score: Twins 4, Mariners 0, Bundy Cruises to a 1-hit Outing, Bats Play Small-Ball

Bad defense and bad base running but a W, so I'll shut up. All the pitchers bore down after the errors. How does Joe Smith get away with an 85 mph fastball?

10 minutes ago, Monticore said:

How does Joe Smith get away with an 85 mph fastball?

15 years?

Edit: Oh "how?" and not "how long?"

Movement and a different arm angle I guess.

If every outing for Bundy is like this one or came close to it he would be Cy Young material . Pitchers who can toss 5-6 innings of close no no run baseball are in that discussion  

Pretty good series overall.  Definitely out-played the Mariners despite the split.

I was pretty skeptical of the way the front office approached the pitching this offseason, but of course so far it looks like Wes Johnson and co. are back to their wizarding ways after last season's mixed results.  We'll have to see how they fare against the better Dodger's lineup.

I could learn to love this year's model.  Not great at every position, but solid, with room to grow.

Good game! But frustrating that yet another season the 3rd base coach is sending runners home to their doom much too often.  ?

The second out at the plate on the "contact" play did not cost the Twins a run. Three straight hits to follow meant that the runner who reached first during the play at the plate came around to score.

Funny how different this team seems after the last two wins rather than the first two losses. My heart is guarded, but like Bombo said, I could learn to love this crew. Good shutout win against a solid Ms team.

When the shortstop has already caught the throw from the outfielder and you have a 260-pound behemoth just touching third base, why does the third base coach think it might be fun to send the runner??  Sano was motoring pretty good but he didn't stand a chance in hell of beating the throw.  Maybe the third base coach thought the catcher would run away??  I did see that actually happen.  I was umpiring an intermural softball game between the law school and a frat house.  Alan Page was a runner on second when the batter hit a single to the outfield.  The throw to home was clearly going to nail him by a wide margin.  The catcher saw Page barreling down the third base line, turned to me and said "f#ck this sh#t, and went back to the backstop and waited until after Page crossed home plate.

First, let me get this out of the way: Dylan Bundy was boring. All he did was toss the ball in there, lower half, bending left and right, and a fastball spotted pretty well down low. No drama, and the players behind him kept it boring for Seattle the whole game, except a couple exciting goofs by Arraez and Kirilloff. Come on guys! Keep it boring!

Second, I hate to see Jhoan Duran get pigeon-holed into the closer position. I know, he threw a bunch of pitches over 100 mph, and he literally blew away three Seattle hitters. I'd still rather see him pitch more than one inning. I respect his desire to eventually graduate from the bullpen to the starting rotation. On the other hand... woof! That was a lot of hondos! This guy is definitely better than Graterol. Duran throws his heater with a more efficient motion, and much better command.

Third, if you're looking for excitement, nothing this season will match watching Gary Sanchez try to field Tyler Duffey's bouncing curve balls. I have literally seen little league catchers do a better job trapping balls in the dirt. Dick Bremmer wins the unintentional comedy award for saying, "Nice stop by Sanchez," after a Duffey curve bounced off his pads, hit the batter in the leg, then bounced back to Sanchez. 

One sign of a good team is that they can win efficiently. That's exactly what we saw today. 

1 hour ago, SwainZag said:

With the Dodgers tomorrow and Archer on the mound, I can see the appeal of not using Winder in case things go south quickly.

Yeah, I figured that Winder was held in reserve all weekend to go long relief for whichever starter, if any, faltered.  But, so far, starting pitching has been okay.  All four of those games were winnable.

2 hours ago, Monticore said:

Bad defense and bad base running but a W, so I'll shut up. All the pitchers bore down after the errors. How does Joe Smith get away with an 85 mph fastball?

2 hours ago, SwainZag said:

Similiar to how Romo gets away with it as well.

Yep there will always be a place for frisbee guys in my book.  I honestly think every pen should have one so they can just give a wildly different look, the changeup of pitchers.  Pat Neshek is still my favorite non star Twin ever.

Imagine facing a starter throwing 95+ then this funky weird side arm/ submariner comes in throwing bowling balls at 85 or sweeping frisbee breaking stuff in the 70s, then its right back to Alacala or Duran throwing 100+.  They might not strike you out but there is going to be a ton of soft contact and its going to screw with the hitters timing for the next ab as well.

1 hour ago, jimbo92107 said:

First, let me get this out of the way: Dylan Bundy was boring. All he did was toss the ball in there, lower half, bending left and right, and a fastball spotted pretty well down low. No drama, and the players behind him kept it boring for Seattle the whole game, except a couple exciting goofs by Arraez and Kirilloff. Come on guys! Keep it boring!

Second, I hate to see Jhoan Duran get pigeon-holed into the closer position. I know, he threw a bunch of pitches over 100 mph, and he literally blew away three Seattle hitters. I'd still rather see him pitch more than one inning. I respect his desire to eventually graduate from the bullpen to the starting rotation. On the other hand... woof! That was a lot of hondos! This guy is definitely better than Graterol. Duran throws his heater with a more efficient motion, and much better command.

Third, if you're looking for excitement, nothing this season will match watching Gary Sanchez try to field Tyler Duffey's bouncing curve balls. I have literally seen little league catchers do a better job trapping balls in the dirt. Dick Bremmer wins the unintentional comedy award for saying, "Nice stop by Sanchez," after a Duffey curve bounced off his pads, hit the batter in the leg, then bounced back to Sanchez. 

One sign of a good team is that they can win efficiently. That's exactly what we saw today. 

I think Duran is here to stay, meaning his starting days are over.  I don't want to see him pigeon holed into the 9th either, but I also don't want to see him get to many multiple inning appearances. 

Duran looks like he is going to be an awesome reliever and I want him used as bullpen ace to get the biggest outs be it the 7th, 8th, or 9th.  That being said this year is going to be tough to not overuse him, 19 something innings last year, covid year, and an injury history on a power arm. 

Let Pagan/ Duffey/ Alcala "close" and be the work horses.  Limit Duran getting back to back days or multiple inning stints to keep him healthy and build him up.  I want next year to be when he is truly unleashed instead of dealing with arm problems.

3rd base coach owns two mistakes. Should have sent Arreaz in the 1st. Should never have sent Sano. One downside of batting Buxton 1st is that even when there's guys on for him, they are running with bears on their back.

Also, how long is Sano's leash? Another brutal start. At some point it's just time to cut bait. 

It's official.  Four games into the season brings the first "cut bait with Sano" post (unless I missed an earlier one)

3 hours ago, howeda7 said:

Also, how long is Sano's leash? Another brutal start. At some point it's just time to cut bait. 

Way too early to be cutting bait on anyone. Baseball is a game of ups and downs. Sano has traditionally had streaks more on the month-long cycle, not series cycle. They're paying him $10 million or so and he's put up better than average WAR by the end of the season. So, unless others burst onto the scene such as Larnach taking over LF, Kirilloff moving to 1B, and Sanchez (or maybe Arraez) taking over DH, all three having career years...I doubt we'll see Sano out of the lineup much. It is easy to see that we were all expecting more from Sano being a top prospect and breaking into the majors with a 149 OPS+ which he hasn't achieved again in his career. 

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3 hours ago, Twins_Fan_For_Life said:

It's official.  Four games into the season brings the first "cut bait with Sano" post (unless I missed an earlier one)

People have been saying that since spring training, so yes you missed more than one. You blew it big time.

17 minutes ago, wabene said:

People have been saying that since spring training, so yes you missed more than one. You blew it big time.

Arraez looks to be a guy that Rocco can't afford to sit, those ABs were incredible.

Buxton is as locked in as he's ever been, it's can't-miss baseball when he's at the plate.

Cy Bundy looked as good as we can expect, nice work on the mound.

Sano's baserunning mishap wasn't exactly his fault, he was waved home after all. Kirilloff's, not sure. Either way frankly I don't mind the aggressive baserunning. Half the time those throws home miss the mark or the catcher can't handle them.

Good game from the Twins, never seemed to really be in trouble. Not surprised that they could win a game without dingers, but nice to see one pop in there. The bombs will keep flowing with this lineup, though.

There's a few guys off to a slow start, but it's only 4 games. Not going to panic after one series, and there's enough guys who hit the ground running that it balances out. We were a little unlucky this series; probably should have won 3 out of 4. But that's baseball.

It will be interesting to see how they do against the Dodgers, who are a really good team. Honestly, my biggest problem so far this season is how they're (not) using Winder. I don't see much point to having him on the roster if they're not going to use him, and he needs to pitch. If he's just the long man/mop up guy, I'd rather see him in AAA starting. If they planned to piggyback him with a starter, I don't see why they couldn't run him out there in the 6th and let him try and get the last 4 and save the bullpen for day as opposed to letting him gather splinters. But if that's the biggest beef...we're doing ok.

Worth noting  that they get paid for how they approach things in the off season and we don't. 

8 hours ago, 2wins87 said:

Pretty good series overall.  Definitely out-played the Mariners despite the split.

I was pretty skeptical of the way the front office approached the pitching this offseason, but of course so far it looks like Wes Johnson and co. are back to their wizarding ways after last season's mixed results.  We'll have to see how they fare against the better Dodger's lineup.

Everyone likes to gripe about Sano, but you know exactly what you've got with him. He take ridiculously poor AB's, strikes out a ton, leaves guys on base...and then every once in a while, he hits one or two rockets into the third deck. Ok. What is the story with Kep? He can't hit the broad side of a barn anymore. Looks completely lost at the plate. It's been that way for a couple years.  Both of those guys are huge holes right now. Make things very tough at times. When we win, it's usually despite them, not because of them. 

Nice smooth win last night.  Too bad there was only 12,000 in the stands.  Attendance around the league in general is down so far.  Very few opening day sellouts which was always a gimme on opening day.  But that's a discussion for another time.  Nice win.  Solid pitching.  We survived 3 errors and two guys thrown out at home.  Strange sending Sano to score when he had no chance.  And we had our 35 million dollar superstar ss scheduled to bat next.  But nice to win.  Go Twins.  Dodgers and Red Sox next.

31 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

8 hours ago, jimbo92107 said:

 

Second, I hate to see Jhoan Duran get pigeon-holed into the closer position. I know, he threw a bunch of pitches over 100 mph, and he literally blew away three Seattle hitters. I'd still rather see him pitch more than one inning.

Amen

I agree, but with 16 innings pitched last year they are checking all my boxes on how to handle him. Use him in the bullpen this year to limit innings. Use him right away to not waste any of those super ballistic bullets. Most importantly, don't lock yourself into thinking of him as a reliever only. This last point is my hope but we have no way of knowing what their plans are. Of course they might not either. It is not his arsenal that would hold Duran back from a starter role, only stamina/durability. It will be fun to see how he responds.

1 hour ago, CRF said:

Everyone likes to gripe about Sano, but you know exactly what you've got with him. He take ridiculously poor AB's, strikes out a ton, leaves guys on base...and then every once in a while, he hits one or two rockets into the third deck. Ok. What is the story with Kep? He can't hit the broad side of a barn anymore. Looks completely lost at the plate. It's been that way for a couple years.  Both of those guys are huge holes right now. Make things very tough at times. When we win, it's usually despite them, not because of them. 

I think Kepler and Sano - guys we used to rely on as major offensive pieces to this team - are probably the biggest concerns we have on offense right now. Defensively both look good, but they may have to be hitting 7-8 in the order for the foreseeable future.