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    Nick Nelson

    What once seemed unthinkable is now a crystallizing reality: The Twins are in all likelihood headed toward a one-game Wild Card showdown against the Yankees in New York on October 3rd.

    And while they will be heavy underdogs in such a contest – especially after what we saw in the Bronx last week – in one game, anything can happen.

    Let's start looking ahead.

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    As long as the Twins avoid total collapse in the final week, they will be able to wrap up a pretty cool distinction as the first team ever to qualify for the postseason one year after losing 100-plus games.

    But while it would technically count as a playoff appearance, the Twins won't really be in it unless they can win that Wild Card game against New York and make the ALDS.

    It's been as evident in head-to-head match-ups as it is in the overall records: The Twins are not as good as the Yankees, nor any of the three other American League playoff teams. (Yet.) But as mentioned above, the one-game Wild Card format is ripe for upsets and even in the sample of a short playoff series, a lesser club can sometimes emerge.

    All it takes is a few well-timed hits and some good pitching performances. We know the lineup is capable of producing the former, but they will be facing very tough assignments. So the emphasis will be on the arms, as it often is in October.

    With this in mind, let's map out the Twins starters for the remaining six games of the regular season and into the playoffs. Based on La Velle's report that Paul Molitor has Bartolo Colon, Adalberto Mejia and Ervin Santana lined up to go in Cleveland this week, here's how I foresee the rotation playing out for the rest of the regular season, then in to a Wild Card game and hypothetical ALDS:

    @CLE 9/26: Colon

    @CLE 9/27: Mejia

    @CLE 9/28: Santana

    DET 9/29: Gibson

    DET 9/30: Berrios

    DET 10/1: Colon

    AL WC 10/3: Santana

    ALDS G1 10/5: Gibson

    ALDS G2 10/6: Berrios

    ALDS G3 10/8: Santana

    You're welcome to share your thoughts on this layout in the comments below. Here are a few things that stick out to me:

    Game 1 Gibby

    We can talk about how ridiculous it seems, or how horribly overmatched he will be against Corey Kluber or Justin Verlander, but we should also acknowledge how incredible this is.

    Kyle Gibson was one of the league's worst starting pitchers during the first half. He spent time in Triple-A in May, and produced only two quality starts in the first three months. His ERA was above 6 most of the summer, and as late as mid-August. But Gibby has been a different man in his last seven turns, guiding to the team to seven victories.

    Granted, he has gotten plenty of offensive support during that span, but the righty has also just pitched really well. He has gone at least six innings every time out, posting a 2.56 ERA and holding opponents to a .236 average (they hit .308 against him in his first 21 starts).

    Things are clearly clicking for the 29-year-old. I theorized at the end of August his wholesale mechanical adjustments might finally be gelling, and the theory remains plausible after five more convincing starts in September. With Ervin Santana being needed for the WC play-in, Gibson is a fairly easy choice for Game 1 in the event of an ALDS berth.

    The more pressing question is whether Molitor would call on Gibson again for Game 4 on three days' rest. Which leads us to another matter:

    No Bartolo?

    Not so long ago, the idea of rounding out a four-man playoff rotation with Bartolo Colon (hold your jokes please) would have seemed reasonable enough. He had a 3.94 ERA through 10 starts with the Twins, and was pitching deep into almost every game. Plus, he's got more experience than anyone in the game, and the big stage is not unfamiliar to him – he's made 10 postseason starts and has generally been up to the task (3.49 ERA).

    But lately Colon has appeared cooked, as though the magic that buoyed him through an initial resurgence with Minnesota has run dry. He has allowed 16 earned runs over 11 innings in his past three starts, delivering non-competitive efforts in Kansas City and New York.

    I'm not sure you could really justify starting him against the high-octane Astros or Indians, even if you had a series lead and the alternative was Gibson on short rest. And if you can't start him, is there really a reason to have Colon on the postseason roster?

    Wondering About Workloads

    Santana went over 200 innings in his last start, and if he throws five against Cleveland on Thursday he'll finish at 211 for the campaign. That's his highest total since 2013, so it's worth pondering how his arm will hold up going into October. The Twins could ask him to pitch three if they win the Wild Card and push the ALDS to five games. Erv has looked as sharp as ever his last three times out – including a very impressive outing against the Yanks – so there's seemingly not much cause for concern.

    Jose Berrios is another case. He's an intriguing piece in this equation because if he's on his game, he might give Minnesota the best chance of anyone for a dominating, shut-down performance. But Berrios has been rather inconsistent at this late stage of the season and it might owe to his career-high workload. Between Triple-A and the majors, he's currently at 179 innings, which is 10 more than last year's benchmark. The 23-year-old's velocity is holding up well into late September (he averaged 94.58 MPH with the heater in his last turn, per Brooks Baseball) but his command has gone amiss of late.

    You could make a case for him in Game 1 but I think Molitor is wise to shield him a bit at this point.

    What are your thoughts? Do you think a playoff rotation would, or should, shake out differently? And isn't it wild that we're talking about this? Sound off in the comments.

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    After Santana there seems to be convincing arguments for any one of 4 other starters. 

     

    Disagree. I can see arguing between Berrios and Gibson (Team JO but I can see Team Gibby). I can't see arguing between either of those guys and either Colon or Mejia, both of who are much worse.

     

    And even there I think Mejia is significantly better than Colon. The Colon crowd argument seems to be along the lines of "Colon is a veteran and will know how to handle it." I've never loved the argument. Go with the best stuff - it's as likely a rookie will rise to the occasion as a veteran will rediscover something and handle the pressure.

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    Agree with you 100 percent. If we leave Colon out of the rotation there is no reason to have him on the roster as he is not a bullpen option.

     

    I don't know if I agree with this but to play devil's advocate, Colon pitched four times in relief for the 2015 Mets postseason run and did well. Perhaps his funky slow stuff is actually a change of pace in the power playoff atmosphere?

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    How can the Twins rotation lineup to get Berrios on the mound for a potential Game 3 in Minnesota? He has been so much better at home than on-the-road this season, to the point that I would be extremely wary of having him start anywhere other than Target Field no matter how deep the Twins play this October (and November?)

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    Do they have Santana go on a pitch count in his 9/28 start to make sure he is rested?  Something like 80 pitches?

     

    I would line them up this way

     

    AL WC 10/3: Santana

    ALDS G1 10/5:Berrios
    ALDS G2 10/6: Santana on 3 days rest
    ALDS G3 10/8: Gibson

    ALDS G4 10/9: Berrios

    ALDS G5 10/11 Santana

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    The postseason requires 4 starters excepting the very unlikely event that a team sweeps every series.

     

    You say this a lot, but 3-man rotations are the norm in the playoffs. Teams want 3 starts from their ace, which only happens with a 3-man rotation for a 7-game series. It's been this way since at least the 60s, if not forever.

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    Well I'll start by saying that I don't have a better suggestion, but Gibson career versus the Indians current roster has allowed a .964 OPS over 225 at bats, with 30 walks and 33 strikeouts.  

     

    I was hoping that the Indians would maybe have terrible numbers versus lefties this year, to make a case for Mejia, but that's just not the case (.900 OPS versus lefties this year, about the same versus righties).

     

    So my biggest question: Did they have any kind of unwritten agreement when they signed Colon?  Wouldn't you think that he only would have joined the Twins if he was going to have a playoff roster spot if he helped the team get to the postseason?

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    So my biggest question: Did they have any kind of unwritten agreement when they signed Colon?  Wouldn't you think that he only would have joined the Twins if he was going to have a playoff roster spot if he helped the team get to the postseason?

     

    Probably not. Colon will be on the playoff roster should the Twins survive the WC game, but he probably won't be in the rotation. 

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    The postseason requires 4 starters excepting the very unlikely event that a team sweeps every series. And even then someone would be starting on short rest twice. As h2oface points out, we don't have to consider who the 4th starter would be until game 4 of the ALDS but we still need to set our postseason roster to account for that. So who is more likely to pitch well on that night, Colon or Mejia? Or Santiago? Or Gee? It's an interesting question.

    If you use 4 starters, there would never be a need for anyone to pitch with 3 days rest. If every game goes to the limit, there are still 10 off days guaranteed.  Slotting the starters by order of preference, the #1 and #2 pitchers would each get 6 starts, the #3 pitcher 5 starts, and #4, 3 starts. Regardless of sweeping, going the limit, or anything in between, if everyone always gets at least 4 days rest, the #4 starter gets called on 3 times. The ALDS is the one series that allows the team to nix the #4 starter completely by having only the #! pitcher go on 3 days rest. That's because there is a day off between games 2 and 3, and another between potential games 4 and 5. 

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    I'm with Nick on this one. Bartolo looks cooked again, and while I'm still not sold on The Tease (Kyle Gibson) I'd rather start a guy that could actually be with this team next year than a guy who definitely won't.

     

    Nice to be worrying about such matters!

     

    I'm just hoping Sano can come back by the Detroit series and get a few games in to get his timing back. Adding his bat in there really makes this a formidable lineup.

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    Mejia can't get out of the 5th.

    At least Colon can eat innings. (No pun)

    Also as mentioned he seems to be loved on the bench, I think he helps calm the team. They seem to have a lot more comeback wins then they did previously

    Mejia could be a good long guy out of the pen in the playoffs IMO.

     

    Colon has failed to reach 90 pitches in each of his last 4 starts.  He's also lost 4 in a row and his ERA has been 6+ since joining the Twins and he's trending the wrong direction again and badly (was 8.19 era when he joined them). 

     

    Not sure why this is even a discussion at this point.  You have to go with Meija as the 4th starter.  If they want to keep him on the roster, fine... back up starter, limited reliever or mop up in a blow out but that is all.  Cleveland would destroy Colon.  

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    You say this a lot, but 3-man rotations are the norm in the playoffs. Teams want 3 starts from their ace, which only happens with a 3-man rotation for a 7-game series. It's been this way since at least the 60s, if not forever.

    Actually a 4-man rotation is the norm. Few teams can make it through three series with only three starters unless there's a sweep or two. In the 60's when there was only the WS, yes. Into the 90's when there were only two rounds, sometimes. Now that there are 3 rounds plus a WC game, hardly ever.

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    Also, Molitor doesn't seem to trust Mejia, so I'd assume he's the odd man out.

    Until Mejia can consistently pitch 6+ innings, I wouldn't trust him either.  In his 20 starts this year he has only pitched 6+ innings 4 times.

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    Until Mejia can consistently pitch 6+ innings, I wouldn't trust him either. In his 20 starts this year he has only pitched 6+ innings 4 times.

    I'm not sure what the relevance of pitching 6 innings plus means for the postseason. The recent trend in the playoffs has beento err on the side of pulling a guy too early rather than leaving him in too long.

     

    I'd rather have a guy be effective for 5, heck even 4 innings, then get beaten up slowly over 6 or 7. With all the off days in the playoffs, a team can literally use every reliever in every game for 15-20 pitches.

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    How can the Twins rotation lineup to get Berrios on the mound for a potential Game 3 in Minnesota? He has been so much better at home than on-the-road this season, to the point that I would be extremely wary of having him start anywhere other than Target Field no matter how deep the Twins play this October (and November?)

     

    Great point...... I think you are absolutely right!

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    Well I'll start by saying that I don't have a better suggestion, but Gibson career versus the Indians current roster has allowed a .964 OPS over 225 at bats, with 30 walks and 33 strikeouts.  

     

    I was hoping that the Indians would maybe have terrible numbers versus lefties this year, to make a case for Mejia, but that's just not the case (.900 OPS versus lefties this year, about the same versus righties).

     

    So my biggest question: Did they have any kind of unwritten agreement when they signed Colon?  Wouldn't you think that he only would have joined the Twins if he was going to have a playoff roster spot if he helped the team get to the postseason?

     

    Great points. But when you are playing a team that is as amazingly hot as Cleveland has been, it seems it doesn't matter who pitches against them. It might be best to not have any of them pitch against Cleveland in the upcoming 3 game series! Oh wait.... we still haven't clinched the Wild Card! Realistically, it is going to take a best of season pitching performance against the Yankees and Cleveland to have a chance. And you have to go with the best we have, even though, including Santana and Berrios, unless they are absolutely on their game, it will take the bats to win any games.

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    After the Twins clinch, there will be a couple of filler games. He should pitch.

     

    There are others that could pitch the filler games. Besides, when Gardenhire decided to rest the troops after clinching in 2010, it started the culture of losing. Stay hot, stay focused, and try to win every game. It is good practice.

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    You start Colon versus Kluber, because we have no chance in that game anyway.  Just throw him out there and watch the ball fly out of the park.

     

    Then go Gibson, Santana, Berrios and Gibson if necessary.

    Kluver is 8-5 against the Twins lifetime with a very good but not insurmountable 3.31 ERA.   He is 0-0 against the Twins this year even though he did not allow a run in 7 innings.   A game the Twins won by the way so I wouldn't go so far as saying we have no chance.   When against a superior team I am not opposed to arranging our own rotation to match up differently than 1vs1, 2vs2, etc.

     

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    Great points. But when you are playing a team that is as amazingly hot as Cleveland has been, it seems it doesn't matter who pitches against them. It might be best to not have any of them pitch against Cleveland in the upcoming 3 game series! Oh wait.... we still haven't clinched the Wild Card! Realistically, it is going to take a best of season pitching performance against the Yankees and Cleveland to have a chance. And you have to go with the best we have, even though, including Santana and Berrios, unless they are absolutely on their game, it will take the bats to win any games.

    You are right.  We still have to beat the Yankees to even have the discussion about the Indians.  They have been an astounding 29-2 in their recent hot streak but that is the thing about hot streaks.  They come to an end.    Look at the Dodgers this year.   Starting to be called a Super Team and then lost 16 of 17 games.    There is some pressure on a team that comes in super hot.   Indians are much more the team that was 10-6 against us than the team that has been 29-2 even though the 29-2 blinds people to the idea.   

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    There are others that could pitch the filler games. Besides, when Gardenhire decided to rest the troops after clinching in 2010, it started the culture of losing. Stay hot, stay focused, and try to win every game. It is good practice.

    I don't think there has ever been consensus on that approach though I don't disagree with it.   87 team lost their last 5 before the playoffs and I didn't get the sense they were trying all that hard.

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    Unthinkable indeed.Per MLB.com, the post season probability for the Twins was 4% on August 4.

    This raises an interesting question. Are these numbers meant to be predictive, or are they more, "here are the odds of a team making the playoffs having done what this team has done"? Does that language capture the difference I'm trying to describe?

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    I'm not sure what the relevance of pitching 6 innings plus means for the postseason. The recent trend in the playoffs has beento err on the side of pulling a guy too early rather than leaving him in too long.

    I'd rather have a guy be effective for 5, heck even 4 innings, then get beaten up slowly over 6 or 7. With all the off days in the playoffs, a team can literally use every reliever in every game for 15-20 pitches.

    Yes, this. With a long bullpen in the postseason, getting 6+ out of your starter isn't as important.

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    Colon is not a trainwreck. Performance and a lift for the team, we may.nit even be in this position without his contributions. Could he be running out of gas and not be as good against top playoff teams as a result? Yes. But he could prove very useful.

     

    I think the debate is, if you need that 4th SP, do you start the harder throwing Mejia on a short leash and have Colon as a veteran change of pace middle man, or start the experienced Colon on a short leash and have the hard throwing Mejia as a middle man?

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