BREAKING: Carlos Correa's Contract with Giants in Doubt Amid Health Concerns

  On 12/21/2022 at 1:58 AM, tarheeltwinsfan said:

Not without knowing the absolute truth about what SF perceived the problem to be and getting the problem throughly checked out before offering anything. Due diligence, my friends.

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Obviously their going to do their due diligence.  Thinking SF just had buyer's remorse regarding the 13 years. 

  On 12/21/2022 at 2:37 AM, nicksaviking said:

The Twins knew $285 wasn’t going to work at the latest when Bogaerts and Turner agreed to terms (and probably when Seager and Lindor signed). Bogaerts and Turner agreed to deals over a week before Correa did yet the Twins never raised their offer, despite knowing it would not get the deal done.

Can’t see them raising it now.

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A week of gazing into the crystal ball with a $102 Million projected payroll changes what a fella can and can't see now.

So you're saying there's a chance.... :)

Reports have Correa signing with the Mets.  
https://nypost.com/2022/12/21/carlos-correa-agrees-to-12-year-315-million-deal-with-mets/

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/mets-to-sign-carlos-correa.html

Wow, what a whirlwind of a night for Mr. Correa! 

Glad the Twins didn't get back in on that. There was just no way this deal would ever be reasonable. 

Question: where does Lindor play now? 2B? 

Lindor is staying at ss, and Correa moves to 3rd. Like Jeter and Arod did. Apparently they're buddies. 

Hmmm.  315/12 is considerably closer to 285/10...  Wonder if the Twinkies would've tried to match 315?

Correa at third, Lindor at short.  Helluva infield.

If Correa truly loved playing in MN, does the difference between $315 and $285 (probably $15 million after taxes) really make a difference in his life when you've earned this much money in your career?

Consider the bullet dodged.

Taking cost of living and higher taxes into account, Correa is almost certainly making less net money on that Mets contract.

I wonder what the Twins front office is thinking this morning? Did they plan to take stock of the situation today and consider a new offer, or had they already decided to keep moving in whatever direction they just chose? Did Boras give them a head's up that the Mets made an offer? I would think they knew what was going on and chose to stay out of it, but it would be interesting to know how it all played out.

Per the NY Post, the Mets will be paying a luxury tax in the general area (Edit: per MLB.com, the luxury tax will be "over $50 million this year")/ Wow. I wonder how many years Cohen will be willing to pay that? Looks like the owners of the Marlins will have more money to pocket next year.

  On 12/21/2022 at 12:03 PM, big dog said:

Taking cost of living and higher taxes into account, Correa is almost certainly making less net money on that Mets contract.

I wonder what the Twins front office is thinking this morning? Did they plan to take stock of the situation today and consider a new offer, or had they already decided to keep moving in whatever direction they just chose? Did Boras give them a head's up that the Mets made an offer? I would think they knew what was going on and chose to stay out of it, but it would be interesting to know how it all played out.

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I’m not sure what the tax situation is like in either state, but San Fran isn’t exactly the cheapest place to live. The financials are probably pretty comparable, the difference is NY is ready to win right, and SF has several parts that need to be addressed. 

  On 12/21/2022 at 12:09 PM, HokieRif said:

I’m not sure what the tax situation is like in either state, but San Fran isn’t exactly the cheapest place to live. The financials are probably pretty comparable, the difference is NY is ready to win right, and SF has several parts that need to be addressed. 

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True, but he also just gave up 50 million extra dollars with the NY deal. That counts as well.  

The top CA state income tax rate is higher than in NY, but property taxes are higher in NY and there are lots of details that will affect the tax paid.

  On 12/21/2022 at 12:17 PM, big dog said:

True, but he also just gave up 50 million extra dollars with the NY deal. That counts as well.  

The top CA state income tax rate is higher than in NY, but property taxes are higher in NY and there are lots of details that will affect the tax paid.

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Regardless, Correa better be telling himself that he’s ready to see this contract through. Boras (I think he’s his agent) too. Back tracking on a contract will make every GM hesitant in the future, and Correa just did himself some PR damage. 

EDIT:  That comment was under the assumption that Correa and Boras were back-tracking.  I didn't stop to consider that this was a change brought-on by the alleged issue with his physical that came up.  If that was the case and SF wanted to renegotiate then I can see why Correa went elsewhere to get something comparable to the deal he had on the table.

$380M payroll?  Is this the straw that broke the camel’s back and a hard cap/floor is on the horizon?

  On 12/21/2022 at 5:45 AM, nicksaviking said:

But there’s nothing different now except they gave Gallo a dumb deal. 285M is clearly the max the Twins will do. And it’s quite possible they won’t even do that considering any reasonable person knew Correa would never have accepted that offer.

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All of  the sudden my 11 for $313 looks a lot like (maybe even a little better) than 12 for $315.

  On 12/21/2022 at 1:58 AM, tarheeltwinsfan said:

Not without knowing the absolute truth about what SF perceived the problem to be and getting the problem throughly checked out before offering anything. Due diligence, my friends.

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All of  the sudden my 11 for $313 looks a lot like (maybe even a little better) than 12 for $315. Guessing the Mets did their due diligence........

Sounds like the 11 years $313 Million I proposed 12 hours ago might just have gotten the job done.  Seems the medical issue was only a 13 year issue and 11 or 12 years would be just fine.

  On 12/20/2022 at 10:08 PM, chpettit19 said:

Why would this cause them to have buyer's remorse on Gallo? They were supposed to expect Correa to fail a physical so they can get back in on Correa now that he'll be cheaper since he couldn't pass the physical? If the Giants don't sign him at the agreed to deal they're either completely out on him, in which case the Twins should likely be, too, or they'll be in on him for much cheaper, in which case the 1 year deal for Gallo really shouldn't have anything to do with agreeing to pay Correa on a cheaper, long-term deal.

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Independent of what Correa does, signing Gallo was a big mistake. I admire SF's ability to see that they made a mistake and quickly admit that and resolve it. I wished that our FO had the same character trait, instead of not admitting their mistake & resolve it, they double down. Making a bad situation worse. That is my point.

  On 12/21/2022 at 12:39 PM, roger said:

$380M payroll?  Is this the straw that broke the camel’s back and a hard cap/floor is on the horizon?

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Hope so

Mets probably had the second highest offer out there. If the Twins had come back higher, the Mets would probably just raise the price somewhat.

welp, I was wrong. Thought for sure this would get ironed out and he'd be a Giant. Did not see the Mets move coming.

  On 12/21/2022 at 1:49 PM, Doctor Gast said:

Independent of what Correa does, signing Gallo was a big mistake. I admire SF's ability to see that they made a mistake and quickly admit that and resolve it. I wished that our FO had the same character trait, instead of not admitting their mistake & resolve it, they double down. Making a bad situation worse. That is my point.

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So SF made a mistake and resolved it by making up a fake medical issue??  I mean if that is truly the case then SF will have a tough time ever signing any free agent.  I mean if Boras thinks SF did something wrong then he will convince all of his clients to go elsewhere.  So I think something really came up and Correa pivoted.  I sure hope SF didn't get buyers remorse.  

  On 12/21/2022 at 4:16 PM, Twodogs said:

So SF made a mistake and resolved it by making up a fake medical issue??  I mean if that is truly the case then SF will have a tough time ever signing any free agent.  I mean if Boras thinks SF did something wrong then he will convince all of his clients to go elsewhere.  So I think something really came up and Correa pivoted.  I sure hope SF didn't get buyers remorse.  

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I'm not saying SF faked anything, I'm saying they found a way out & they took it. Correa isn't crying either, he wants to be a NYM.

Have to think that after all the talk about Correa wanting the highest contract ever for a shortstop, he really changed his mind quick. Maybe he didn't want to wait until the Mets had second thoughts about the physical?

  On 12/21/2022 at 12:13 AM, FlyingFinn said:

Or did the Twins doctor from last year miss this and we just got lucky. We do have a new head guy in this department this year and had so many injuries last year.

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We have a new head trainer. That's not the same as a doctor.