Can Twins Level Up to Matt Chapman from Josh Donaldson?

Huh?  it is easily arguable that Donalson was better last year than Chapman and will be better next year than Chapman.  Giving up ANYTHING for that is nuts.  Gving up OUR future 3rd baseman alone would disqualify even thinking about this trade.  Even if this was strictly a salary dump, it wouldn't make sense since you could "give away" Donaldson and bring in Miranda to play 3rd base for the minimum.

Last time I looked the Twins don't need a 3B having 3 guys already in position to play there, (Donaldson, Miranda, Arraez). If he was a SS I'd consider it.

Hell no,  not giving Miranda Away!

If you can swing getting Chapmen for not much in prospects I am good with it.  I do not see him sticking around as he hits his 30's.  His offense is already dropping some, maybe just a down year, but some guys drop off really quickly.  I am not for giving up prospects for someone already showing regression possibly.  

No, hell no.  The biggest point I took from this piece is the danger of trading away young, proven stars seeing what the A's got when they traded Donaldson.  Sounds like a great reason to 'not trade Buxton.'  

As for third base...start Miranda at St. Paul on opening day, then bring him up when Donaldson goes on the IR in late April or May.  When Donaldson returns, alternate him between third and DH until July when he gets traded.  Meanwhile, Miranda starts at third about three-quarters of the time until Donaldson is gone.

I don't see Chapman as an upgrade for 2022, nor do I see him as a long-term rebuild option, so I don't think this makes sense. If the Twins are going to try and contend in 2022, they need to keep Donaldson at 3rd, with days off at DH. His bat still plays. 

What does Josh Donaldson have to do to convince Twins fans that he is a good baseball player? 

I think next year is a good time to work Jose Miranda into playing time and also believe that Donaldson would benefit from being a DH a couple of times per week. 

Chapman has little value for the Twins unless he comes for prospects in the #20-40 range. Great defense, the bat should rebound, but not a fit for the Twins. We have JD already and Miranda waits.

I'd love to have Chapman but the timing is off. If we had solved our SS/2B problem earlier and not courted Donaldson, then yes. But now we have Donaldson, who's a pretty good 3B and up and coming Miranda, so no. We have more pressing needs to take care of than 3B

No....absolutely no.  this team just needs an ACE to go with these starters.... Ober, Pineda, Ryan, Maeda....and 2 solid relievers ( as long as Taylor Rogers comes back fine ). Maybe Miranda comes up and plays 3B and Donaldson at DH??

Heck NO! Bring up Miranda, Donaldson DH & part time 3rd base. Though I would rather have Nelson Cruz DH at 1/2 the price of Donaldson. Trade Donaldson, sign Cruz would be a better option.

Now that we gave away Berrios, we are going to have to pay MORE $ for the same or likely less proven starters. This team needed a starter, closer & a SS. 

Now they need an Ace, a #2 & a#3 starter, a closer and an entire bullpen & a SS.

Unless they have 200M to spend, its completely hopeless. The entire front office needs to be fired!

This team was a closer and a couple if seeing eye singles away from the world series in 2019, now look at it.?

Sign Buxton. Trade Donaldson if you can do it without paying too much of his salary. If you can get Chapman for a reasonable trade of prospects fine. Not Miranda, that nuts. But what  we need most of all is s.s. Put an effort into getting Siemens even for 25 plus million. The team will not be sorry. They out hit every team.

Don't trade for Chapman, unless 1)  he can play SS or 2) pitch 200 innings and average a strikeout an inning., or 3)  he is Buxton's BFF.

Looking for a 3rd baseman? What! Seems pitching would be a MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better expenditure!!!!!!

On 11/19/2021 at 6:25 AM, rv78 said:

Last time I looked the Twins don't need a 3B having 3 guys already in position to play there, (Donaldson, Miranda, Arraez). If he was a SS I'd consider it.

Dallas Braden, who is about as much of an A's insider as you'll find in the media, mentioned on Starting 9 that the A's have strongly considered moving Champman to SS so they could add another bat at 3B.

If he can handle it, I'm interested in him as a stopgap. I would guess he would be a league average SS on defense based on his 3B skills.

If the Twins trade Buxton, we are in a rebuild.  What sense does it make to trade a top prospects for 2 years of Chapman?  I think it is fantasy land to think the Twins would resign Chapman to a long term deal after the two years, especially if his hit tool has a resurgence.  The Twins won't be competitive until at least 2024 under the trade Buxton scenario, and Chapman will be long gone.  Even if he produces 5 War a year and helps us win 5 more games a year, we still won't be in the playoffs. In such a case, play and develop the kids, and look for established players two years from now when a window opens up again (if it does).

If the Twins discuss an expanded trade with Oakland that would bring a pitcher or two over in addition to Chapman, then the chance for being in contention increases substantially, and a move for Chapman makes more sense. Kirrillov, Martin, Larnach, Duran, Lewis, Enlow, Miranda et al should not be deemed untouchable, but hopefully we wouldn't lose more than 2 of our top 10 prospects. I'm not a fan of a deal for only Chapman. We need help up the middle.

I think I'd rather go after a couple of pitchers from the A's (Montas, Bassitt, Manaea, Kaprillian) than Chapman.  I think the guy to deal is Arraez.  Sending him as the centerpiece of a package to Oakland could bring Bassitt AND Manaea to the Twins.  Good Lord, our starting rotation is two rookies who will be on innings limits in 2022.  Bassitt and manaea would be quality AND quantity.  The idea that you could sell high on Miranda right now is logical.  I'd rather replace Arraez with Miranda and sell high on Arraez.

On 11/19/2021 at 2:41 PM, Matthew Lenz said:

The Twins needs to rebuild an entire pitching staff (3-4 starters and 3-4 spots in their bullpen) along with a shortstop and left fielder. They have some options who contributed in 2021 and some options in the minors who could contribute in 2022, but A LOT has to go right for them to contend. I don't see them contending in 2022.

My point wasn't whether they're rebuilding or trying to contend, my point was that Chapman doesn't make sense with either option. Of course, the front office has said the team isn't rebuilding, and I will judge whether they are by what moves are made this offseason.

You still have to play the games; I wouldn't have said the Giants or Mariners were contenders for 2020 but the Giants then went out and won 109 games and the Mariners almost made the playoffs.