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    Ted Schwerzler

    We’re now in the final week of the 2019 regular season. Minnesota will be putting a bow on their 2019 AL Central Division title and they’ll turn their attention to the postseason. New York and Houston look like they’ll battle for the best record until the final day, but it’s certainly The Bronx that the Twins should prefer. No matter where they go to kick off October baseball, being back in the hunt should be plenty exciting in and of itself.

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    I took a look at how I’d construct the 25-man roster for the ALDS earlier this month, and now there’ve been some significant changes that make a shuffle more than necessary. Barring any further injuries, this is the group that I’d suggest go to war with Rocco Baldelli.

    Catchers (2): Jason Castro, Mitch Garver

    Changes: None

    There’s been no developments here to suggest a change makes any sense. The Twins have had the most productive catching tandem in baseball, and Mitch Garver has hit like a man possessed for another significant stretch. He left a game this weekend with a hip impingement, but it sounds like some quick rest should be enough to get him over the hump. They’ll be locked in and ready to go both at the plate, and behind it, no matter who Minnesota faces.

    Infield (6): C.J. Cron, Luis Arraez, Jonathan Schoop, Jorge Polanco, Marwin Gonzalez, Miguel Sano

    Changes: Ehire Adrianza out with an oblique injury

    Unfortunately for the Twins, they lost a versatile asset when Ehire Adrianza pulled an oblique muscle. There has been talk that he would hope to not miss the rest of the season, but time is running out and those things don’t typically heal in a quick fashion. Arraez and Gonzalez give Baldelli plenty of flexibility on their own, and Luis having pushed his way into the starting role allows for some thump out of Schoop’s bat off the bench.

    It is worth noting that Rocco Baldelli mentioned Adrianza looking good, but he's "not sure if he's close to being ready to play." I'd imagine Ehire would need game action this week to be included. If he is, Jake Cave could be the odd man out with the Twins opting for non-traditional outfielders in relief. That does seem like a pretty big long shot.

    Outfield (4): Eddie Rosario, Max Kepler, LaMonte Wade, Jake Cave

    Changes: Byron Buxton done with labrum surgery, and Ian Miller left out

    There’s no replacing a guy like Byron Buxton, and the Twins have had to grapple with that reality for weeks now. He’s not going to be there defensively for a pitching staff that loves him, and his bat is now out of the lineup as well. Minnesota added Miller to the 40-man roster as a speed guy off the bench, but it’s Wade that may have forced him out. LaMonte has gotten healthy and takes as good at-bats as stud Luis Arraez. Recently writing up a speciality Minnesota will need to pick for the postseason, it’s probably Wade’s on base skills that outweigh an additional 90 feet on a stolen base.

    Over the final week of the season the Twins will want to get both Kepler and Cave back going again. They’ve dealt with injury, have sprinkled in some playing time, but also need to work in routine at-bats. Eddie trending upwards is a positive development at this time of year, and if he can continue to shrink his zone then opposing pitchers will have a much tougher time exploiting his weaknesses.

    Designated Hitter (1): Nelson Cruz

    Changes: None

    No surprise here, Mr. Boomstick is the living embodiment of the Fountain of Youth. 400 dingers to his credit, and 40 at the age of 39, the Twins are enjoying one of the greatest seasons from a free agent ever. He’s coming back next year at a reduced rate and there should be ample opportunity for him to make an impact on and off the field in the postseason.

    Rotation (3): Jose Berrios, Jake Odorizzi, Randy Dobnak

    Changes: Michael Pineda was handed a PED suspension, Martin Perez has been ineffective and moved to the pen

    You probably need four starters for a postseason series unless you’ve got an elite arm or two. Unfortunately for the Twins they have two guys that they’d be expected to turn to, and a complete wild card. Jose Berrios and Jake Odorizzi are locks, although they’ll need the former to be the best version of himself. An additional starter is up in the air, but I like the proposal of Randy Dobnak. He’s been great for Minnesota in 2019 and the unfamiliarity for opposing hitters could be to his benefit.

    A lefty doesn’t make a ton of sense given the strength both Houston and New York have on that side of the plate. Dobnak could pitch game two allowing the Twins to utilize their bullpen more aggressively before the scheduled day off. If Baldelli’s squad can steal a win on the road, or return home having yet to lose, they’d be sitting pretty when attempting to advance to the ALCS.

    Bullpen (9): Taylor Rogers, Sergio Romo, Tyler Duffey, Trevor May, Zack Littell, Brusdar Graterol, Kyle Gibson, Cody Stashak, Martin Perez

    Changes: Dyson is done for the year, Gibson, Stashak, and Perez all added

    The first six names of this group seem like obvious locks to me. They represent the core of a group that has been very, very good in the second half. It’s the last three that are more uncertain but they each seem to fill a need.

    Kyle Gibson has struggled significantly with his health, and then his production because of it, down the stretch. If the Twins deem him healthy though, it makes a good amount of sense to have him as a presence in the pen and a veteran arm ready to go. Should he be deemed unhealthy, that’s probably a spot for Lewis Thorpe, or an opportunity to squeak someone like Willians Astudillo onto the bench.

    Stashak has been nothing short of dominant in his time with the Twins, and while he’d be throwing on the biggest stage yet, the stuff has played. Needing another lefty, it's the starter Perez who comes into play. Despite his ineffectiveness, he's still been strong against lefties and has worked in relief before. Initially expected to be a part of the 2020 plans, he still probably gets a chance in the Postseason.

    A roster of 12 pitchers and 13 hitters is the split that Baldelli should find solace in. Nick looked at the pen options yesterday and came up with 12 openings as well. Here’s to hoping for a clean bill of health over the final week, and smooth sailing so that optimal decisions can be made. Minnesota has been forced into enough change due to unfortunate circumstances thus far. Adding to that this close to the October run isn’t something anyone should want to deal with.

    What would your final roster for October look like? Where do you differ and what do you agree on? Share your thoughts below.

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    They have Gregorius, who hasn't been very good this season. Their only lefty worth mentioning is Gardner.

    Yeah, it's possible Gregorious (90 OPS+) is on the bench for them. They could do Torres at SS (130 OPS+), LeMahieu at 2B (136), Urshela at 3B (133), and then Encarnacion (131) and Voit (127) at 1B and DH, health permitting, of course.

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    Depends who they are playing.  If they are playing the Yankees with a bunch of LHSP, I would like to see LaMarre over Wade.  Wade cannot hit lefties, and all 3 of the rest of the OFs are left handed.  If they play the Astros Wade is fine, because even their pen is very RHP oriented.

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    Depends who they are playing. If they are playing the Yankees with a bunch of LHSP, I would like to see LaMarre over Wade. Wade cannot hit lefties, and all 3 of the rest of the OFs are left handed. If they play the Astros Wade is fine, because even their pen is very RHP oriented.

    LaMarre was not acquired until after September 1. So, he’s the one guy we know for sure won’t be on the roster.

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    I don't think LaMarre or Torreyes is eligible for post season. don;t you have to be on the 25 man roster on Sept 1? At least thats the way it has been for decades? If I'm wroing correct me. If injuries get us under that limit, then are they OK to add?

     

    Astudillo will be on the roster. No way you keep a guy like that off. His value comes when you see what he did last night. We had no runs and we needed a guy who would put the bat on the ball.  We have Sano, who is a threat to go deep every AB..but he also can 'k' in that situation... wasting an out. The Turtle is our best weapon off the bench and can play almost anywhere. I believe he is a ton more valuable than Castro, but I know I'll get showered with manure for taking that position. Thats OK. We will see Wlllians in the ALDS.

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    Depends who they are playing.  If they are playing the Yankees with a bunch of LHSP, I would like to see LaMarre over Wade.  Wade cannot hit lefties, and all 3 of the rest of the OFs are left handed.  If they play the Astros Wade is fine, because even their pen is very RHP oriented.

    Wade's minor league splits don't necessarily support that. 2018 is the only season in his minor league career so far that shows a platoon split by OPS.

     

    He hasn't faced them much in MLB yet, but he's also only started 12 games in the majors too -- he hasn't faced much of anybody yet. :)

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    I don't think LaMarre or Torreyes is eligible for post season. don;t you have to be on the 25 man roster on Sept 1? At least thats the way it has been for decades? If I'm wroing correct me. If injuries get us under that limit, then are they OK to add?

    Anyone on the 40-man roster as of midnight Aug. 31st is postseason eligible. But you can also petition to replace injured postseason eligible players with anyone who was in the org as of midnight August 31st -- so Torreyes could be added that way. (Not that I expect him to be!)

     

    Graterol looks like the only real candidate for that injury replacement petition right now.

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    Anyone on the 40-man roster as of midnight Aug. 31st is postseason eligible. But you can also petition to replace injured postseason eligible players with anyone who was in the org as of midnight August 31st -- so Torreyes could be added that way. (Not that I expect him to be!)

     

    Graterol looks like the only real candidate for that injury replacement petition right now.

    Who would he replace? The only guys on the DL are Buxton and Poppen. Both are on the 60 day but haven’t been there anywhere close to 60 days. Gonsalves is still on the milb DL. Does that count?

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    Who would he replace? The only guys on the DL are Buxton and Poppen. Both are on the 60 day but haven’t been there anywhere close to 60 days. Gonsalves is still on the milb DL. Does that count?

    MILB DL indeed counts. Nick Gordon would be the obvious choice for replacement. (I think Gonsalves was already activated off the minor league DL, per his MILB page.)

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    Anyone on the 40-man roster as of midnight Aug. 31st is postseason eligible. But you can also petition to replace injured postseason eligible players with anyone who was in the org as of midnight August 31st -- so Torreyes could be added that way. (Not that I expect him to be!)

     

    Graterol looks like the only real candidate for that injury replacement petition right now.

    I thought he was added to the 40 man before midnight on Aug 31... 

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    I posted in the other thread, but O'Rourke didn't fare well vs Gardner in 2015 (1 hit and two walks in 3 PAs).

     

    And the alternative to not LOOGYing isn't to let them beat you -- I also noted that May and Duffey are about as effective (by wOBA) vs LHB this year as O'Rourke is for his MLB career. You can deploy May and Duffey (and of course Rogers) over those LHB spots, if you want, and get equal or perhaps better effectiveness than O'Rourke -- and they can even stay in to face more than 1 batter, or be useful in other game situations too.

     

    Perez has been more effective than O'Rourke vs Gardner for sure -- only 2 hits and 1 HBP in 11 PA, with 3 K's. So he could be a LOOGY matchup option for him, if necessary, in addition to being capable of eating some innings in other situations. (Gregorious has 2 HR in 10 PA vs Perez, though -- maybe a matchup to avoid?)

     

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/batter_vs_pitcher.cgi?request=1&submitter=1&pitcher=perezma02&min_year_game=2012&max_year_game=2019&post=1&opp_id=NYY&bats=L&c1gtlt=gt&c2gtlt=gt&orderby=PA&orderby_dir=desc&orderby_second=Name&orderby_dir_second=asc

    Those sample sizes are so tiny, that IMO, they mean nothing.

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    I thought he was added to the 40 man before midnight on Aug 31...

    Nope. There was a whole big debate about that around here. :)

     

    Basically, when you add someone to the 40-man, you either have to add them to your active MLB roster immediately or option them for at least 10 days. So we couldn't just add Graterol to the 40-man on August 31st (when the active roster limit was still 25) and recall him on Sep. 1st (unless he was recalled to replace an injured player). We could have added him to the 40-man on August 21st, though...

     

    In any case, it's pretty easy to petition to replace someone, and the Twins now have two candidates who could easily be eligible for replacement (Gordon and Dyson).

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    Those sample sizes are so tiny, that IMO, they mean nothing.

    Sure. But in the context of O'Rourke, you probably won't find any sample that suggests he deserves a MLB postseason roster spot over, say, Perez. That was my point, really.

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    Sure. But in the context of O'Rourke, you probably won't find any sample that suggests he deserves a MLB postseason roster spot over, say, Perez. That was my point, really.

    I completely agree, just don't think 3 PA sample sizes do anything to augment that opinion.

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    I completely agree, just don't think 3 PA sample sizes do anything to augment that opinion.

    Well, when you're responding to someone who specifically says we need O'Rourke to face Gardner in the postseason instead of, say, Perez, I thought it was worth noting!

     

    Of course, even if Gardner was 0-for-3 against O'Rourke, it wouldn't necessarily swing the case the other way either. I certainly won't be including those small samples among the central points in my thesis about Ryan O'Rourke, as I pursue a degree in loogyology, but I thought it was fair game for a message board discussion. :)

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    Nope. There was a whole big debate about that around here. :)

     

    Basically, when you add someone to the 40-man, you either have to add them to your active MLB roster immediately or option them for at least 10 days. So we couldn't just add Graterol to the 40-man on August 31st (when the active roster limit was still 25) and recall him on Sep. 1st (unless he was recalled to replace an injured player). We could have added him to the 40-man on August 21st, though...

     

    In any case, it's pretty easy to petition to replace someone, and the Twins now have two candidates who could easily be eligible for replacement (Gordon and Dyson).

    Dyson is still on the active roster and there are no longer 10 days until game one of the ALDS.

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    Dyson is still on the active roster and there are no longer 10 days until game one of the ALDS.

    Can't he be placed on the IL retroactively to the date he last pitched? It's been more than 10 days since he last pitched.

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    Can't he be placed on the IL retroactively to the date he last pitched? It's been more than 10 days since he last pitched.

    Ordinarily, yes. But, I’m not certain if that pertains to postseason eligibility. Pretty big miscalculation by Falvine if it does not.

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    Ordinarily, yes. But, I’m not certain if that pertains to postseason eligibility. Pretty big miscalculation by Falvine if it does not.

    I think retroactive is fine. You just can't call up a minor leaguer and make their IL stint retroactive (like Poppen, he was on the minor league IL for awhile but that time doesn't count toward his MLB 60 days).

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    So, if Kepler is a no go for the ALDS (a possibility that certainly can’t be ignored), how does that change things?

     

    I still think 12 pitchers is a must with Pineda out and Gibson and Perez ineffective to the point that both may not make the playoff roster.

     

    I still go with these starters, in this order:

     

    Odorizzi

    Dobnak

    Berrios

    Smeltzer

     

    Although, I might be inclined to start someone else (maybe Graterol or Littell or May) in game 4 and bring in Smeltzer to start the second inning. Not that I expect more than 2-3 out of Smeltzer anyway. Smeltzer would be available in the pen for game one and Dobnak in game 5.

     

    Relievers are

     

    Rogers

    Duffey

    Romo

    May

    Littell

    Stashak

    Graterol

    Perez

     

    Position players

     

     

    Castro

    Garver

    Astudillo

    Cron

    Arraez

    Schoop

    Sano

    Polanco

    Cruz

    Rosario

    Cave

    Gonzalez

    Miller

     

     

    Of course, there is no real back up shortstop. Could go with Torreyes over Miller but I don’t think I would as that would leave the team without a legitimate CFer. I think keeping Torreyes in the dugout to be activated in case of injury should suffice. Without Kepler, I think they absolutely need Miller. IMO, it’s a toss up between Wade and Cave for the starting CF job. I give the nod to Cave based on having more experience and also his power might play well in Yankee Stadium.

     

    Lineup vs RHP

     

    2b Arraez

    ss Polanco

    dh Cruz

    rf Rosario

    3b Sano

    c Garver

    lf Gonzalez

    1b Astudillo

    cf Cave

     

    vs LHP

     

    c Garver

    ss Polanco

    dh Cruz

    3b Sano

    rf Rosario

    1b Cron

    2b Schoop

    lf Gonzalez

    cf Cave

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    Yep. I don't want any lefty facing the Yankees but if I have to choose between Smeltzer and Perez, I choose Smeltzer every time.

    Hear, hear! Smeltzer throws strikes and Perez falls behind hitters.

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    I wouldn't discount Gregorious based upon how he has been hitting this season as a whole. He made mincemeat of Twins pitching this year again.

     

    Gregorius, who went 8 for 10 with 10 RBIs in his two starts (against the Twins), hit an RBI double to ignite a four-run second. Mike Tauchman added a two-run triple before the inning was over. Gregorius tacked on a two-run triple in the fourth and finished with three hits, one day after going 5 for 5 with seven RBIs (from a NY online news site).

     

    Make the determination based simply on who are the best pitchers available.

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    So, if Kepler is a no go for the ALDS (a possibility that certainly can’t be ignored), how does that change things?

    I still think 12 pitchers is a must with Pineda out and Gibson and Perez ineffective to the point that both may not make the playoff roster.

    I still go with these starters, in this order:

    Odorizzi
    Dobnak
    Berrios
    Smeltzer

    Although, I might be inclined to start someone else (maybe Graterol or Littell or May) in game 4 and bring in Smeltzer to start the second inning. Not that I expect more than 2-3 out of Smeltzer anyway. Smeltzer would be available in the pen for game one and Dobnak in game 5.

    Relievers are

    Rogers
    Duffey
    Romo
    May
    Littell
    Stashak
    Graterol
    Perez

    Position players


    Castro
    Garver
    Astudillo
    Cron
    Arraez
    Schoop
    Sano
    Polanco
    Cruz
    Rosario
    Cave
    Gonzalez
    Miller


    Of course, there is no real back up shortstop. Could go with Torreyes over Miller but I don’t think I would as that would leave the team without a legitimate CFer. I think keeping Torreyes in the dugout to be activated in case of injury should suffice. Without Kepler, I think they absolutely need Miller. IMO, it’s a toss up between Wade and Cave for the starting CF job. I give the nod to Cave based on having more experience and also his power might play well in Yankee Stadium.

    Lineup vs RHP

    2b Arraez
    ss Polanco
    dh Cruz
    rf Rosario
    3b Sano
    c Garver
    lf Gonzalez
    1b Astudillo
    cf Cave

    vs LHP

    c Garver
    ss Polanco
    dh Cruz
    3b Sano
    rf Rosario
    1b Cron
    2b Schoop
    lf Gonzalez
    cf Cave

    I agree-almost. I want Arraez's bat in the lineup no matter who is pitching because he can get walks. Schoop comes in as a pinch hitter or if we think his "D" is better than Arraez's, he comes in late to protect the lead.

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    I really hope we are not thinking three-man rotation because I think that doesn't bode very well for Berrios the second time around, so I am hoping it is Berrios, Dobnak (just because I want the 'control' pitcher sandwiched), Odorizzi and then the bullpen game.

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    I really hope we are not thinking three-man rotation because I think that doesn't bode very well for Berrios the second time around, so I am hoping it is Berrios, Dobnak (just because I want the 'control' pitcher sandwiched), Odorizzi and then the bullpen game.

    People keep lining these things up right now and I think that's unnecessary and wrong.

     

    If the Twins win game one with Berrios, throw a bullpen game in two.

     

    If the Twins lose game one with Berrios, send Odorizzi to the mound for two.

     

    Don't put yourself in the position to head back to Minnesota with the series at 0-2 just because you spaced out your best pitchers.

     

    In a vacuum, I'd *absolutely* throw the bullpen game in two and four. It makes the most sense. But if it increases the odds of going down 0-2, I do whatever I can to prevent that from happening.

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    People keep lining these things up right now and I think that's unnecessary and wrong.

     

    If the Twins win game one with Berrios, throw a bullpen game in two.

     

    If the Twins lose game one with Berrios, send Odorizzi to the mound for two.

     

    Don't put yourself in the position to head back to Minnesota with the series at 0-2 just because you spaced out your best pitchers.

     

    In a vacuum, I'd *absolutely* throw the bullpen game in two and four. It makes the most sense. But if it increases the odds of going down 0-2, I do whatever I can to prevent that from happening.

    As of right now, Odorizzi is scheduled to pitch Sunday. So, if he doesn’t pitch again until game 2, that’s 6 days between starts. If it isn’t until Game 3, that would be 8. I think Odorizzi is more likely to start game one on normal rest and Berrios will likely throw a simulated game to stay on his routine and start game 3. There’s a reason why starters are usually set days in advance. They do certain things on each day leading up to prepare. Messing with that needlessly IMO is a bad idea. And also not necessary IMO. I don’t think a bullpen game gives the Twins less of a chance to win than Berrios or Odorizzi. We’re not talking about Dysdale and Koufax here.

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    Whatever they decide to do, I think it comes down to Wade vs. Cave and Astudillo vs. Miller. 

     

    Regardless of what they decide, the Twins just can't get swept. That would be heartbreaking.

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    As of right now, Odorizzi is scheduled to pitch Sunday. So, if he doesn’t pitch again until game 2, that’s 6 days between starts. If it isn’t until Game 3, that would be 8. I think Odorizzi is more likely to start game one on normal rest and Berrios will likely throw a simulated game to stay on his routine and start game 3. There’s a reason why starters are usually set days in advance. They do certain things on each day leading up to prepare. Messing with that needlessly IMO is a bad idea. And also not necessary IMO. I don’t think a bullpen game gives the Twins less of a chance to win than Berrios or Odorizzi. We’re not talking about Dysdale and Koufax here.

    I think most every starter will be on extra rest to begin the postseason, just like they are after the all star break. Routine is nice, but they can adjust to this particular circumstance without too much difficulty.

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