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Three Underrated Twins Prospects
Three Underrated Twins Prospects
Dman and 7 others reacted to Matt Braun for an article
8 pointsNoah Cardenas For my life, I can’t figure out why Noah Cardenas isn’t well-regarded as a prospect. Catchers who can hit are rare; catchers who can hit and field well are unique, and Cardenas might be that kind of player. Let’s start with the bat: his .302/.407/.426 line at UCLA has translated well to a .261/.421/.413 one over his first full season in professional ball, 99 games with the Fort Myers Mighty Mussels. Despite a hitting environment that favors pitchers, Cardenas rode his excellent feel for the plate to an 18.2% walk rate, good for 3rd in the Florida League; his .421 OBP placed him 4th. Fielding is more difficult to analyze—even major league stats remain shaky these days—but Eric Longenhagen and Tess Taruskin refer to him as a “glove-driven” catcher, and the Pac-12 honored Cardenas with an honorable mention on their All-Defensive Team in 2019. He’s a touch older than your typical A-ball player—he celebrated his 23rd birthday on September 10th—but Cardenas should remain firmly on your radar over the next few years. Cody Laweryson “Fun” is seldom a word that describes a prospect, but the word fits Cody Laweryson’s bill perfectly. A 14th-round pick out of Maine in 2019, Laweryson shocked with a monstrous 15-strikeout performance to end his time in rookie ball but entered a hiatus thanks to the canceled minor league season in 2020. His 2021 season was forgettable, but he returned with a dominating 2022 campaign. Laweryson silenced bats with a 1.62 ERA, flipping between starting and relief, striking out 30.2% of hitters while walking just 7.2%. He even stepped up his game at AA, holding a 1.06 ERA over 59 ⅔ innings in a hitter-friendly environment. Laweryson’s secret sauce is deception, a crane-like delivery with slanted arms and raised elbows that would fit perfectly next to Michael Jackson in the Thriller music video. Hitters can barely see the ball as a barrage of limbs fly toward the plate, masking Laweryson’s pitches until too late. The Twins chose not to protect Laweryson in the upcoming Rule 5 draft, opening up the chance for another team to poach him. Brent Headrick In May, Matthew Lenz told us we should start noticing Brent Headrick. He was on to something. After struggling with command in 2021, Headrick shifted into high gear in 2022, punching out batters at an elite rate—31%, to be exact—while limiting walks with Joe Musgrove-esque control. Even a promotion into a hitters' lion's den—the Texas League—couldn’t slow down Headrick’s reign; his K-BB% barely budged after joining the Wind Surge. While not a velocity expert, Headrick works with a deceptive delivery, placing pitches in their proper location before punching out the batter with a high fastball or a diving breaking ball. The Twins agree that Headrick is fascinating; the team chose to protect him in the upcoming Rule 5 draft, perhaps paving a path for the Illinois State product to pitch for the major league club in 2023. Others Prospect evaluation is far from perfect, but one can often parse through the noise, instead focusing on the statistical freak shows who have become major league stars in recent seasons. Steven Kwan rode an elite contact profile to a 4.4 fWAR season; our own Luis Arraez broke out and won a silver slugger in 2022; Cristian Javier’s absurd minor league K numbers have translated to a career 30.9% K rate in the majors. These players were dinged for other drawbacks, but their outlier abilities have carried them to major league success. Here are a few guys in the Twins organization who stick out: Jaylen Nowlin Jaylen Nowlin struck out 35.9% of hitters in 2022. His command was dreadful enough to omit from this paragraph—his walk rate could scare the less courageous among us—but that punch-out rate will keep him around, maybe translating to major league playing time. Austin Schulfer The nearly 27-year-old Austin Schulfer is knocking loud enough on the Twins’ door that the neighbors are starting to get irritated. His strikeout and walk rates moved in the wrong direction in 2022, but his groundball rate jumped from average to 58.3%, good for tops in the system amongst all pitchers with 50 innings. Only seven qualified MLB relievers could claim a better penchant for grounders in 2022. Noah Miller 19-year-olds aren’t supposed to walk 16.2% of the time in their first full season in professional baseball, especially when they play in an offensively stunted environment. Noah Miller’s extra-base authority lagged, but his feel for the zone is already elite.8 points -
Three Underrated Twins Prospects
Three Underrated Twins Prospects
beckmt and 7 others reacted to jmlease1 for a post in a topic
8 pointsNoah Miller was a first round pick, not sure he qualifies as underrated. Laweryson was also sent to the AFL last year and had a notable season where he moved up to AA and slid back into a starting role. Had a lot of discussion on this site as well, so again...is he really underrated? Cardenas is definitely one that was not on my radar and I want to know more about. 23 years old in A ball is definitely old for the level, but If he moves up by midseason to AA he won't be doing too badly for a catcher. His arm doesn't look all that great, but just peeking at the Passed Balls he seems like he blocks the plate pretty well? His power production has fluctuated quite a bit, but a SLG over .400 in the FSL is solid enough. Catching depth in the system has seemed thin, so if Cardenas emerges that would be a big deal.8 points -
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
TwinsRealist and 6 others reacted to tarheeltwinsfan for a post in a topic
7 pointsIf, as reported, there was more interest in Pagan, than Urshela, then please FO, trade Pagan for some young prospects.7 points -
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
Florida Flash and 5 others reacted to DocBauer for a post in a topic
6 pointsAnother good write up, Nick! Bullet points from me. 1] The Twins seem legitimate in their pursuit of Correa or Bogaerts. Getting either, or any of the top 4, changes the infield defense and the lineup. They seem honest and earnest in their pursuits. Can they and will they follow through? 2] I like the farmer move a lot for flexibility and depth and a floor. I think he fits the 2023 roster better than Urshela. But he's that much better depending on point #1. 3] Somehow, no matter other additions, including at SS, this lineup/roster needs a solid RH bat to help offset the LH dominance. It just can't be ignored yet again. Garlick as the only option? Really? I don't see it. I believe he's this year's version of Cave. 4] I am IN on Rodon for $25M for 4 or 5yrs, despite the inherent risk of adding FA pitchers. I think he'd deliver enough to warrant the risk and $. But if he really might warrant $30M...and I'm not convinced...then I think I'm out. I like what's on hand, and some depth, but feel a lot better if I have one nice add for depth and options. I'm just expecting someone to be hurt. I want that extra good arm equal to what we have, if not better. And there's still a handful of arms that I believe fit that category. 5] I like the shape/start of the pen. I would love to bring back Farmer, or equivalent. I'd also love to add someone like Hand or Rogers from the LH side. I'm not sure payroll will allow that when all is said and done. But it might allow adding at least 1. 6] Speaking of payroll, $50M+ just to get back to 2022. Another $10M for a logical bump to around $150M, which probably keeps the Twins around 15 or 16 in MLB. If a Kepler moves, that's yet another $8+ M to add. Urshela gone, Farmer added, Pagan kept, is all about a wash financially. Realistically, the Twins could have as much as $70M to play with. That's a TON. But a chunk is gone with a SS and a SP, whether Correa and Rodon or other. Still need a catcher and RH bat, maybe a pen arm. A lot of opportunity, but it has to be spent smart with some room to distribute around a little. Could be tight. 7] I'm still flabbergasted about Pagan. Nearly $4M for a middle reliever who you can only hope will go 2 innings and not allow a major HR 2 or 3 run blast every other time out??? I still see this as obstinace and poor usage of funds and roster management. Please tell me they're going to still move him for ANYTHING and clear the $ and roster spot for better fit/need.6 points -
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
Florida Flash and 3 others reacted to Blyleven2011 for a post in a topic
4 pointsI'm with you on pagan , if he was a minor leaguer getting a taste of the big leagues , he'd be sent packing to ride the bus in the minors ... Pagan may have the stuff to throw hard but he doesn't have the control, To many walks and Homer's , his better production the last couple of months is a mirage as he faced more rookies in the later months, I see pagan getting cut in 2023 like Duffy in 2022 once they realize his new pitch isn't the trick ... Good write up nick ...4 points -
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
Heiny and 3 others reacted to DocBauer for a post in a topic
4 pointsIs this his year? As an amateur GM/fan on the outside looking in, I'm not sure I'm using ink to write his name in anywhere. But boy do I sure hope so! Sweet swing, good contact, good power, solid OB, decent OF and really good looking 1B, he could really raise the lineup potential. In the brief weeks he's been healthy for the Twins, he's looked really good. I'm hoping with fingers crossed he's finally good to go come ST...or soon after...and he can really get his career started.4 points -
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
TwinsRealist and 3 others reacted to Major League Ready for a post in a topic
4 pointsRosario had a negative 1.1 WAR last year. How is it a problem they moved on from a guy who was one of the worst corner OFers in all of MLB?4 points -
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
Heiny and 2 others reacted to Nick Nelson for an article
3 pointsSince we last checked in, the Twins have made news with a number of noteworthy moves: trading third baseman Gio Urshela, acquiring shortstop Kyle Farmer, tendering reliever Emilio Pagan. Let's take a quick look at the details behind each of these decisions, and where they leave the state of the roster as the Winter Meetings fast approach on December 4th. Twins Trade Urshela to Angels Just ahead of the arbitration contract tender deadline on November 18th, the Twins shipped one of their eligible players – the most difficult decision among them – to the Angels in exchange for minor-league pitcher Alejandro Hidalgo. A 19-year-old right-hander who hasn't yet advanced past Low-A ball, Hidalgo is a modestly intriguing young arm, but the return for Urshela was expectedly small. He's a valuable player, but at his projected arbitration cost in the $9 million range, a bit less appealing – especially for a Twins team that hopes to usher Jose Miranda in as regular third baseman next year. For the Angels, Urshela is an odd fit. Like the Twins, they seem to view him as strictly a corner infielder ... but they already have Anthony Rendon and Jared Walsh entrenched at third and first, with Shohei Ohtani typically occupying DH. It is very difficult to understand LA's motivation in making this move from the current view. Hidalgo's your usual big-stuff/bad-control lotto ticket. Certainly a preferable outcome to non-tendering Urshela for nothing in return. Pagan Is Coming Back for Another Year With Urshela shipped out, the Twins tendered contracts to all of their remaining arbitration-eligible players – including, controversially, the embattled Pagan. He'll earn a projected $3.7 million in his final year of team control, coming off a season where he earned the ire of fans with numerous lapses in crucial moments. He was the poster child for a bullpen that helped derail a promising Twins season. Now we'll see if he can become the figurehead for its triumphant turnaround. Amidst all the backlash this decision understandably provoked, I tried to explore the team's reasoning, noting that Pagan saw improved results down the stretch with a pitch mix change under pitching coaches Pete Maki and Colby Suggs. It's hard to give up on stuff of that caliber, and the upside it entails. While many fans struggle to make sense of it, Pagan does seem to be viewed much more highly in baseball circles than from the outside. Dan Hayes of The Athletic reported that the reliever "drew much more interest" than Urshela ahead of the non-tender deadline. Farmer Enters the Fold Not long after parting with some veteran depth in Urshela, the Twins quickly backfilled with the addition of Farmer, acquired from the Reds in exchange for minor-league righty Casey Legumina. This deal was, in many ways, the reverse of the Urshela trade: Farmer is a valuable enough player, but wasn't that valuable to Cincinnati at his arbitration price point, so they sent him to a team that could use the depth in exchange for a pitching flier. In this case, it's much easier to see the fit for Farmer, who could fill a number of different roles depending on what the Twins do elsewhere. For now, he's slotted in as their starting shortstop, and an adequate interim fill-in for Royce Lewis if that is the front office's leaning. In addition to his defensive flexibility, one aspect of Farmer's profile that surely attracted the Twins is his excellence against left-handed pitching. This looks like an effort to offset one of the offense's key weaknesses in 2021, when they slashed .240/.310/.391 against southpaws. Twins Showing Interest in Rodon Hayes wrote in a roster projection column over the weekend that the team has "definite interest" in Carlos Rodon, which comes as no surprise. However, Hayes adds, "his contract is likely to soar to areas it might not feel comfortable paying, perhaps as high as $160 million over five years." In a column unpacking the troubling realities of buying high on free agent pitching, I examined this very conundrum: Rodon is exactly the kind of proven ace that the Twins should be looking to land this offseason. He's a dominant force coming off an excellent season, and his addition would energize the fanbase while fortifying the rotation. But, he's also entering the market at peak value, have pressed a career-high workload upon a shoulder that has endlessly tormented him. With Rodon, you're going to be paying purely for the upside we just saw, and hoping it sustains. And the price tag will be quite high, with the free-spending Dodgers already in the mix as suitors. One Current Opening on the 40-Man Roster As a sum result of all this moving and shaking, along with the additions of prospects Edouard Julien, Brent Headrick, and Matt Canterino to protect them from the Rule 5 draft, Minnesota's 40-man roster currently stands at 39: Should the Twins need to be make room for more additions, the most vulnerable 40-man spots likely belong to Mark Contreras, Cole Sands, and Trevor Megill. Roster and Payroll Projection: v2 In looking at the projected 2023 roster in its current form, you can see how the Twins are setting a floor. They've basically got all they need to field a competent ballclub next year: a rotation with five proven big-league starters, a fairly deep bullpen with back-end power, and a credible – albeit somewhat underwhelming on whole – stable of position players. The only openings are a backup catcher and utility infielder for the bench, easily filled. That is not to say going forward with this group would be acceptable in anyone's eyes. But the point is that the Twins aren't backed into any corners, needing to allocate their funds in any specific way – just how they like it. With nearly $50 million in spending room just to get back to the 2022 payroll baseline, we'll see how opportunistic this front office can be, free from any kind of restraint. If you want to read up on all of the team's many options available at positions across the board, the Offseason Handbook is now available in full to download, with 39 pages covering the Hot Stove landscape from every angle. It's free to all Caretakers! Grab a copy and build your own 2023 blueprint.3 points -
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
TwinsRealist and 2 others reacted to jmlease1 for a post in a topic
3 pointsI don't mind early moves to set the floor for the ballclub. And I appreciate the front office understands that raising the floor of the team and making sure you have competent players at every spot is an easy and important way to ensure that you can field a competitive team. Just removing innings from bad/incompetent players is smart. Which is why keeping Pagan is baffling to me. He hasn't been good in several years, he gives the fanbase PTSD, and now he costs $4M. I really hope he's moved before the season. But the real show is going to be: what do we do we all that payroll space? I want high end talent, not a bunch of guys on $8-10M deals.3 points -
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
TwinsRealist and 2 others reacted to Major League Ready for a post in a topic
3 pointsThere is no arguing they did not get enough production out of the corner OFers. That is a very different argument than suggesting letting Rosario go was a mistake. He was horrible last year. He clearly would have made the team worse. The players they put out there were all better but got injured yet somehow your conclusion is the FO made a mistake. That conclusion sounds like you developed an opinion when they let him go and then just ignored what actually happened.3 points -
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
glunn and one other reacted to Ted Schwerzler for an article
2 pointsOver the past few seasons we have heard plenty about Royce Lewis, Trevor Larnach, Jose Miranda, and Alex Kirilloff. High-round picks and gaudy draft grades, each of them has developed plenty of fanfare while producing on the farm. Kirilloff was the first of the bunch to reach the big leagues, making his debut in 2020 during the postseason when Josh Donaldson left a void in Rocco Baldelli’s lineup. In the two full seasons since, Kirilloff has done, little playing just 104 games with a career .694 OPS. Is this the season that finally sees it come together? Last year Kirilloff began the season as Minnesota’s Opening Day left fielder. Miguel Sano was still on the roster and had yet to go through his handful of completely ineffective games. Kirilloff was going to figure prominently into the plans at first base, but there was no reason to limit his athleticism until absolutely necessary. We know now that Sano didn’t last long for the Twins in 2022, and Kirilloff spent almost half of his time in the big leagues last year playing first base. Like Sano however, Kirilloff saw his production tail off in dealing with a wrist injury and it was ultimately a combination of Miranda and Luis Arraez that needed to man an abandoned position. With the hope of health in the year ahead, Minnesota is counting on Kirilloff to be who he showed he was on the farm. After a nagging wrist injury sapped Kirilloff’s power in 2021 and caused him to play just 59 games for Minnesota, he underwent offseason surgery to address the problem. The slow start in 2022 eventually led to a demotion to Triple-A St. Paul in hopes of figuring out a way to play through the injury effectively. The former first round pick noted that he had to shut down his offseason program due to discomfort, and he truly never worked his way back to 100% coming into the year. That was a gut-punch knowing what Minnesota needed from him, and led to an entirely unsurprising result when he managed just 45 games in 2022. This offseason Kirilloff will again be coming back from surgery, but this time he’s had a bone in his wrist shaved down in hopes of alleviating pain and providing a more realistic path forward. In over 316 minor league games the former top prospect posted an .895 OPS. While that doesn’t directly correlate to Major League success, the hope has always been that the true production would be somewhat similar. Kirilloff was shut down earlier in 2022 and wound up having surgery in August. With more of a runway to work himself back into baseball activities, the hope would be that Minnesota returns 100% of the player that they counted on when calling him up for the 2020 postseason. Kirilloff too has to be hoping for an ability to regain the form that saw him as the darling of so many prospect lists. A year ago the Minnesota Twins experienced some of the most substantial stays on the injured list across all of baseball. With a new head athletic trainer in the fold, there has to have been some level of communication with expected producers even in the early stages of Nick Paparesta’s time with the club. Connecting with Kirilloff and making sure the plan for the offseason is going smoothly is a must. The Twins can’t get to Spring Training and have uncertainty, and it would be catastrophic to hear initial reports of a shutdown or lack of healing come the regular season for the second year in a row. Now 25-years-old, it’s not as though Kirilloff’s injury history is a death sentence, but it’s becoming increasingly necessary to see a substantial level of performance at the highest level. The Twins are counting on him in the season ahead, and you can bet he’s itching to prove he belongs as well.2 points -
Three Underrated Twins Prospects
Three Underrated Twins Prospects
Mike Sixel and one other reacted to Matt Braun for a post in a topic
2 pointsI also added in a few prospects with extreme statistical profiles, just for fun. Image courtesy of Andrew West/The News-Press via Imagn Content Services, LLC Noah Cardenas For my life, I can’t figure out why Noah Cardenas isn’t well-regarded as a prospect. Catchers who can hit are rare; catchers who can hit and field well are unique, and Cardenas might be that kind of player. Let’s start with the bat: his .302/.407/.426 line at UCLA has translated well to a .261/.421/.413 one over his first full season in professional ball, 99 games with the Fort Myers Mighty Mussels. Despite a hitting environment that favors pitchers, Cardenas rode his excellent feel for the plate to an 18.2% walk rate, good for 3rd in the Florida League; his .421 OBP placed him 4th. Fielding is more difficult to analyze—even major league stats remain shaky these days—but Eric Longenhagen and Tess Taruskin refer to him as a “glove-driven” catcher, and the Pac-12 honored Cardenas with an honorable mention on their All-Defensive Team in 2019. He’s a touch older than your typical A-ball player—he celebrated his 23rd birthday on September 10th—but Cardenas should remain firmly on your radar over the next few years. Cody Laweryson “Fun” is seldom a word that describes a prospect, but the word fits Cody Laweryson’s bill perfectly. A 14th-round pick out of Maine in 2019, Laweryson shocked with a monstrous 15-strikeout performance to end his time in rookie ball but entered a hiatus thanks to the canceled minor league season in 2020. His 2021 season was forgettable, but he returned with a dominating 2022 campaign. Laweryson silenced bats with a 1.62 ERA, flipping between starting and relief, striking out 30.2% of hitters while walking just 7.2%. He even stepped up his game at AA, holding a 1.06 ERA over 59 ⅔ innings in a hitter-friendly environment. Laweryson’s secret sauce is deception, a crane-like delivery with slanted arms and raised elbows that would fit perfectly next to Michael Jackson in the Thriller music video. Hitters can barely see the ball as a barrage of limbs fly toward the plate, masking Laweryson’s pitches until too late. The Twins chose not to protect Laweryson in the upcoming Rule 5 draft, opening up the chance for another team to poach him. Brent Headrick In May, Matthew Lenz told us we should start noticing Brent Headrick. He was on to something. After struggling with command in 2021, Headrick shifted into high gear in 2022, punching out batters at an elite rate—31%, to be exact—while limiting walks with Joe Musgrove-esque control. Even a promotion into a hitters' lion's den—the Texas League—couldn’t slow down Headrick’s reign; his K-BB% barely budged after joining the Wind Surge. While not a velocity expert, Headrick works with a deceptive delivery, placing pitches in their proper location before punching out the batter with a high fastball or a diving breaking ball. The Twins agree that Headrick is fascinating; the team chose to protect him in the upcoming Rule 5 draft, perhaps paving a path for the Illinois State product to pitch for the major league club in 2023. Others Prospect evaluation is far from perfect, but one can often parse through the noise, instead focusing on the statistical freak shows who have become major league stars in recent seasons. Steven Kwan rode an elite contact profile to a 4.4 fWAR season; our own Luis Arraez broke out and won a silver slugger in 2022; Cristian Javier’s absurd minor league K numbers have translated to a career 30.9% K rate in the majors. These players were dinged for other drawbacks, but their outlier abilities have carried them to major league success. Here are a few guys in the Twins organization who stick out: Jaylen Nowlin Jaylen Nowlin struck out 35.9% of hitters in 2022. His command was dreadful enough to omit from this paragraph—his walk rate could scare the less courageous among us—but that punch-out rate will keep him around, maybe translating to major league playing time. Austin Schulfer The nearly 27-year-old Austin Schulfer is knocking loud enough on the Twins’ door that the neighbors are starting to get irritated. His strikeout and walk rates moved in the wrong direction in 2022, but his groundball rate jumped from average to 58.3%, good for tops in the system amongst all pitchers with 50 innings. Only seven qualified MLB relievers could claim a better penchant for grounders in 2022. Noah Miller 19-year-olds aren’t supposed to walk 16.2% of the time in their first full season in professional baseball, especially when they play in an offensively stunted environment. Noah Miller’s extra-base authority lagged, but his feel for the zone is already elite. View full article2 points -
Three Underrated Twins Prospects
Three Underrated Twins Prospects
tarheeltwinsfan and one other reacted to Doctor Gast for a post in a topic
2 pointsIt's a shame and strange about the lack of depth at catcher. We'll be hurting for a long time, IMO shows lack of insight. I think there's a shift of catchers are able to play more than one position like 1B, 3B, corner OF & even Dalton Varsho (AR- C) has been playing mainly CF. Personally I'd like them focus on catching.2 points -
Three Underrated Twins Prospects
Three Underrated Twins Prospects
Cris E and one other reacted to tarheeltwinsfan for a post in a topic
2 pointsA catcher and a shortstop. What is the difference. Cardenas is a promising prospect at catcher. But unfortunately he may be the only one in the Twins system. Noah Miller is an interesting prospect at shortstop, and he is one of four really highly ranked Twins prospect shortstops (Lewis, Lee, Martin and Miller). I posted earlier that the lack of catching prospects may be intentional by the FO. The FO may feel the catchers are too injury prone or unpredictable to waste high draft picks on them. I feel sure that the wealth of shortstop prospects is intentional by the FO. Possibly the Twins lack of catching prospects is not a coincident. Perhaps it is intentional. If a player can be a good SS, then he can play other, less demanding positions, such as 3B, 2B, 1B and probably OF. So it is good to have lots of SS prospects. But it is rare for a catcher to be able to play other positions, with Josh Donaldson and Justin Morneau coming to mind as rare exceptions.2 points -
Let's Worry About the Lineup This Winter
Let's Worry About the Lineup This Winter
umterp23 and one other reacted to ashbury for a post in a topic
2 pointsCleveland barely had anybody digging anything, with total attendance of 1,295,870. ?2 points -
2022 Vikings Regular Season Thread
2022 Vikings Regular Season Thread
Mike Sixel and one other reacted to nicksaviking for a post in a topic
2 pointsAre they rope-a-doping teams? Are they intentionally playing super soft D for three quarters, then doing the opposite in the fourth? The first part of that equation is certain, I’m just not sure about the 4th Q. Are they playing different? Or are they just getting lucky? Also, they need to stop with the screen passes on offense; they are always getting blow up. Not sure why exactly, but they seem to fail at an unbelievable rate this year.2 points -
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
DocBauer and one other reacted to jmlease1 for a post in a topic
2 pointsI really hope it works out for Kirilloff. He's a terrific hitter with a great eye and a sweet swing. The wrist injury has been really unfortunate, and they had to take a pretty extreme measure this time to try and get him to a point where he can swing without pain. (any time you have to break a bone intentionally as part of a process to shorten it...that's a really big deal) The skills are there, and he should be an adequate corner OF or a superior 1B defensively, and his production if healthy would be more than solid at DH as well. You just can't know on health. If they've found the permanent fix for him, he could be a huge part of this team. If it didn't work, then he's going to have another frustrating and disappointing season (and he'll be as frustrated and disappointed as anyone). I believe in the talent. You can choose to assume he'll be injured and have no power and not be a viable player, or you can choose to hope for health. I suspect the Twins will presume health, but have a backup plan in case he can't go.2 points -
Rumor: MLB Black Friday Sale
Rumor: MLB Black Friday Sale
laloesch and one other reacted to ashbury for a post in a topic
2 pointsI want instant gratification and I want it NOW!2 points -
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
roger and one other reacted to DocBauer for a post in a topic
2 pointsNo matter where you look, you will see different reports on current payroll. Maeda, for example, can be counted for his guaranteed minimum, OR, at his incentive based maximum. But Sano, Archer, and Bundy amount to $4.5M that is counted toward 2022, and not the 2023 payroll. So depending where you look, they can be removed and the listed payroll would then have another $4.5M to work with.2 points -
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
Scott51104 and one other reacted to CRF for a post in a topic
2 pointsI'd just like to see him healthy and put the wrist issues in the rear view mirror once and for all. He has talent, it would be great to see it on display with the big league club.2 points -
Let's Worry About the Lineup This Winter
Let's Worry About the Lineup This Winter
Cris E and one other reacted to mnfireman for a post in a topic
2 pointsI'm sure every player you hoped the team would sign has put up great numbers wherever else they signed....maybe you should forward your number to the front office guys so they can consult you before signing/trading players.2 points -
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
The Mad King and one other reacted to dxpavelka for a post in a topic
2 pointsI'd be ecstatic if this was the year he played as many games as Buxton does. Larnach too. Then maybe we could get a read on what they might actually be able to contribute. If not, we may need to start looking at other options. And I'd have to continue to harp on the short-sightedness of moving of from Rosario when we did. Especially if we double down and do the same thing with Kepler this year just to get more right handed.2 points -
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
glunn and one other reacted to mikelink45 for a post in a topic
2 pointsIt is the holiday season - all is good. The Twins injury list will be purged and we will be surprised by the strength of the team. I see the current group looking like the Hrbek led young bucks that Kelly led to the series. I am ready to believe until New Years!2 points -
Twins sign Johan Camargo (oops, not)
Twins sign Johan Camargo (oops, not)
Richie the Rally Goat reacted to CRF for a post in a topic
1 pointA minor league deal. No specifics yet. Plays mostly SS and 3B, but has also played 2B and OF. Good utility type guy. Had a big year for Atl back in 2018. Was with Philly last year. Only 28 years old.1 point -
Let's Worry About the Lineup This Winter
Let's Worry About the Lineup This Winter
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1 pointTalks of coaxing a high end starting pitcher to Minnesota are swirling as should always be the case when premier pitching is available, but the Twins don’t have an entire rotation to overhaul as they have in recent years. Adding an ace to the group of Sonny Gray, Tyler Mahle, Joe Ryan, Kenta Maeda, and Bailey Ober would be a massively positive move, but with a fair amount of pitching talent and depth in Minnesota, perhaps we should be turning more attention towards getting lineup help. As things stand, Carlos Correa is not currently a Minnesota Twin. Though inept in clutch spots for much of the season, a massive chunk of the Twins offense will be missing should Correa find another home. The Twins set a floor at shortstop with a savvy addition of Kyle Farmer, but the dropoff from a player who was 40% above league average offensively to one that was 9% below in Farmer would be felt on a daily basis. Farmer being the Opening Day shortstop would be far from a disaster, but in order to compete, the Twins would need to massively supplement their position player group elsewhere. Headed into 2023, the Twins have a fun group of young, high upside hitters that have some questions to answer including Alex Kirilloff, Trevor Larnach, Matt Wallner, and eventually Royce Lewis. It’s a similar position to the one they were in last winter with the pitching staff. Having filled out 40% of the rotation with Dylan Bundy and Chris Archer and another 40% of the rotation with two rookies in Joe Ryan and Bailey Ober, the Twins gambled on contributions from their young pitching which had proven nothing yet. It was an unmitigated disaster aside from Ryan. Top prospects such as Jordan Balazovic cratered in AAA. Josh Winder was ineffective and had recurring shoulder issues. Having done so in just about every season of his career aside from 2021, Bailey Ober once again missed massive amounts of time. They didn’t have the floor they thought they did. The Twins need to avoid gambling on their player development in 2023 as much as possible. They’ve drastically overestimated their ability to produce quality regulars in recent years. And while the most recent bursted bubble was on the pitching side, gambling on unproven, often injured players such as Larnach, Kirilloff, and Lewis to keep an MLB roster afloat simply cannot be the game plan at this point. They also had to trade away several up-and-coming possible impact hitters as a result of their recent miscalculations. Also consider the health of the team. Beyond the young players having missed time in 2022, players such as Jorge Polanco no longer appear to be locks to play 150+ games. Byron Buxton’s injury risk will always be a consideration. They also no longer have Gio Urshela to add production to the fringes of the roster, and unfortunately at this point anyone expecting any kind of offensive competence from players like Max Kepler are likely going to be very disappointed. In short, the Twins lineup isn't a force to be reckoned with. It does appear to have some upside and depth, but the trick is getting said lineup to the threshold of “quality” which likely requires multiple more additions. Perhaps it is adding Correa or one of his fellow free agents such as Xander Boegarts . The heavily left-handed outfield could also use another right-handed option such as Mitch Haniger. Perhaps they’ve even liked what they’ve seen from Jose Abreu across the division enough to bring him in as a veteran RBI machine that can DH and cycle into first base. While several creative moves are certainly on tap for the winter, it may be time to recognize that the current rotation has the possibility of helping a team to a playoff run. It’s hard to say the same about the position player group. For once perhaps fans should pivot off of the “Can he pitch?” replies to every acquisition the Twins make. It’s time to worry about the bats.1 point -
Twins sign Johan Camargo (oops, not)
Twins sign Johan Camargo (oops, not)
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1 point1 point- The Troubling Realities of Buying High on Free Agent Pitching
The Troubling Realities of Buying High on Free Agent Pitching
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1 pointWhen you look at data around aging curves for major-league pitchers, it matches up to what you'd expect: as a group, they are most effective between the ages of roughly 24 to 28 before inevitably experiencing decline at varying scales. This makes sense, of course. As pitchers get older, their innings mount, their bodies wear down, and the league gets wise to all of their tricks. We see the cycle play out time and time again. Sure, there are some pitchers who manage to evade the ravages of age, but they are rare and beyond prized. For every Jacob deGrom, who keeps chugging along into his mid-30s, or even every Justin Verlander, who's on top of his game at age 40, there are many examples of fleeting greatness. Sometimes the drop-off is quite sudden. Madison Bumgarner was one of the game's greats throughout his 20s as a Giant but completely unraveled at age 30 after signing with Arizona. Hyun-Jin Ryu had a brief run of pure excellence for the Dodgers but has wilted in his mid-30s in Toronto. The Twins have been thankful to avoid free agent landmines like these – pitchers who entered the market with relatively high stocks and cashed in, only to fall victim to the curve, leaving their new clubs in a tough spot with lingering implications. (The D-backs owe Bumgarner $23 million next year coming off a 4.88 ERA; the Blue Jays owe Ryu $20 million after he posted a 5.67 ERA in 27 innings.) Slam-dunk pitchers like deGrom and Verlander do pop up in free agency, but because of their rarity they have their pick of big-market titans who can outflex the field. These guys are simply out of range for the Twins, and most other teams. The more common and accessible free agents are those like Bumgarner and Ryu types: pitchers in the early stage of the aging curve's declining trendline, looking to get paid off what they did in their prime. Robbie Ray is a perfectly good example from one year ago. He was the definition of a buy-high candidate, coming off a breakout age-29 season where he won the Cy Young while leading the league in ERA and strikeouts. The Mariners bought high with a $115 million contract that was eclipsed only Max Scherzer's $130 million deal with the Mets. During his first year in Seattle, Ray was ... meh. Certainly not a disaster, but a shining example of the dangers in overpaying for assets that are likely to depreciate quickly. Ray posted a 3.71 ERA, 4.16 FIP, and 1.8 fWAR in 189 innings. He was an average-ish mid-rotation starter making $21 million, and slated to make $44 million over the next two years. What's more, Ray's player-friendly contract includes an opt-out after 2024, meaning that if his performance continues to trend this way, Seattle will owe him another $50 million for his age 33 and 34 seasons. But if he returns to form, he can re-enter the market after two more years. Seattle's already been robbed of much of this deal's upside due to Ray's mediocre first season. The fact that Ray procured such a favorable contract coming off his only great season speaks to the leverage higher-end free agent pitchers enjoy during Hot Stove negotiations. Which brings our attention to the focus of today's discussion: Carlos Rodón. The parallels between Ray's situation last year and Rodón's this year are unmissable. Both are left-handers entering the market at age 30, coming off career seasons. Both had extremely suspect track records prior to their star turns, which came during short-term deals for that reason. The uncertainties shrouding these two players weren't of the same exact ilk – Ray's more performance-based, Rodón's more health-related – but both players carried obvious and notable risk. Last offseason, Ray wasn't the best free agent starter. Not in a class that featured future Hall of Famers like Scherzer, Verlander, and Clayton Kershaw. But he was the arguably the best starter who felt realistically available to mid-market teams like Seattle or Minnesota. And this year Rodón is in a similar position, albeit with sparser competition at the top tier. (Chris Bassitt is a far cry from Kevin Gausman.) Rodón has been one of the best starting pitchers in baseball over the past two seasons, a true ace in every sense of the word. He's been mostly healthy, with the exception of a shoulder scare in late 2021. There's much to like. But the magnitude of risk in handing out a mega-deal to Rodón weighs very heavily on a team with spending constraints (self-imposed as they might be). The shoulder woes have surfaced time and again, wiping out most of his ostensible prime years. He's coming off a career-high workload and heading into his 30s. As Twins fans know all too well, shoulder injuries are pernicious. The downside with Rodón isn't that he'll follow Ray's route and revert to middling performance levels, but that he won't be able to pitch at all. Or he'll become entangled in lengthy cycles of starts, stops, and setbacks, all while accounting for about one-fifth of the payroll year after year. That's undeniably a scary specter, and knowing what we know about the Twins front office and their particular aversion to these kinds of flexibility-inhibiting scenarios, it's easy to see why they've tended to stay away. But this offseason is different. If the Twins miss out on Carlos Correa, it almost feels like they HAVE to find a way to sign Rodón in order for the winter to be considered a resounding success, and to build widespread excitement for the 2023 product. Most other big-splash type moves that are within their range would be somewhat underwhelming as marquee headliner, at a time where they just lost a premier superstar, and had unprecedented spending power as a result. This is not just a matter of optics and PR. It's hard to imagine any singular move, outside of signing one of the top four shortstops, capable of making such a massive impact on the team's quality and upside. Adding Rodón atop the rotation would transform the outlook for that unit and the pitching staff as a whole. Coming off back-to-back Cy Young-caliber seasons, Rodón would be a worthy centerpiece of the offseason from any vantage. So how much would this gamble cost? If we suppose that Rodón is open-minded and simply looking for the best deal, it becomes a straightforward bidding war – albeit one with high stakes and some imposing competition. The left-hander is reportedly receiving early interest from the Dodgers, Mets, and Rangers, among others. The Rangers are said to be one of his most serious suitors, and they exemplify the type of uphill battle Minnesota's front office faces in this pursuit. Texas spent more than half a billion in free agency last offseason alone. With such a free-wheeling mindset, made possible by operating in a top-five market, they can more easily sink big money into shaky investments – like, say, signing Corey Seager for $32 million annually through age 37 – and worry about the repercussions later. For the Twins, it's a different ballgame. The stakes are graver, the downside greater. And depending on Rodón's personal preferences, it might take a significant outbid to woo him from more attractive destinations. It's hard to know exactly where the southpaw's contract figure might land, when you factor in all the risk and all the reward. One article in The Athletic projected five years and $160 million, which is higher than I've seen elsewhere but certainly within reason. For the Twins to make it happen, they might need to get creative with a contract framework that leans strongly in the player's favor – a Scott Boras specialty. Again, you can make a good case to say "screw it, just make the deal happen, whatever it takes." But then, I come back to this front office and what we know about them. As much as they might like Rodón and the fit, it would be very uncharacteristic to outslug a bunch of heavy-hitters in an all-out auction for a peaking asset. What seems much more likely is that they'll turn to other pitchers near the top of the remaining free agent starter pool in search of real upside without the extreme "buy-high" dynamic. One name that really stands out in this group is Nathan Eovaldi. He's got the credentials, the big stage experience, the power fastball. In 2021 he finished fourth in the Cy Young voting with 5.7 fWAR, placing him at the premier class of MLB starters. In 2022 he took a step back, with production that was more or less Robbie Ray-esque. Unlike Rodón and Ray, Eovaldi is not a buy-high target. Unfortunately for him, the right-hander's date with free agency came a year too late for that. He'll still get paid handsomely but the proposition should be much less daunting for a team like the Twins. How much less realistic upside does Eovaldi bring to the table compared to Rodón and Ray, relative to the chasmic difference in cost? If you look at 2022 in isolation, far less, but results aren't that dependably consistent from year to year. To prove that, look no further than all of the dudes we're talking about here. Signing Rodón feels, in some ways, like a move the Twins need to make, should they miss out on Correa. But turning away from the feeding frenzy and focusing on an arm like Eovaldi would be much more on-brand, while still showing a touch of boldness. He would very likely be the most expensive free agent pitcher signing in franchise history, and a plausible upgrade from Sonny Gray in the #1 rotation spot. This course would also allow the Twins to save some coin and spread more of it to other needs, while still addressing the rotation in a meaningful, emphatic way.1 point- Your Guide to the Worst Black Friday Deals in Twins Territory
Your Guide to the Worst Black Friday Deals in Twins Territory
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1 pointDon’t be fooled by these deals. They’re not steals. Image courtesy of K-Bid As you battle your fellow Minnesotans for the last Rosedale parking spot, hoping the sporting goods store has an XL Byron Buxton Twin Cities jersey you can drop half a paycheck on, you should know that there are many other online and brick-and-mortar outlets showcasing their wares for you, the hardcore Twins fan. Twins Daily has run the numbers, and what follows are the worst consumer options out there. Keep your head on a swivel. 20% off signed copies of “Why Is He So Tiny Now? An Oral History of Bret Boone’s Three Weeks as a Minnesota Twin.” $99 for a six-month premium subscription to My Favorite Blown Calls, Phil Cuzzi’s podcast about his signature umpiring moments. Free first-timer visit to Ken Mauer and Andrelton Simmons’ new holistic medicine outlet, Vitastrong, located in Maplewood’s worst strip mall. No vaccines, no doctors, just nutritional advice from a cooked shortstop and an NBA ref that looks like he wears a leather jacket to Latin Mass. Vitastrong is not responsible for any measles you get during your visit, and you will get measles. Trial subscription to Aaron Gleeman’s new Substack newsletter, Text Messages I Haven’t Responded To. The Twins beat writer shares all the texts he gets from other baseball writers, morning radio hosts with unlikely haircuts, and unwashed bloggers to whom he simply is never going to reply. Use code WOULDYOUJUSTSTOPDANA to receive 40% off. 50% off The Motivational Speeches of Tommy Herr. This 12-cassette collection from the recalcitrant infielder for whom we traded away Tom Brunansky is the perfect gift for the father or uncle you flat-out hate. Craigslist ad for Metrodome urinal trough. It says $40 or best offer, but it’s just a scam. Do not ask which Twins Daily writers have had their credit card information compromised by this too-good-to-be-true deal (OK, so far it’s Stu, Parker, and John). View full article1 point- Three Underrated Twins Prospects
Three Underrated Twins Prospects
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1 pointCody laweryson probably will get selected by another team in the rule 5 draft ... We need catching and no catcher is rated in the top 30 prospects ... Headricks a lefthander was protected and equal to laweryson as a right handed ... Nowlin might be a sleeper , schulfer is quite old to be a prospect ...1 point- Let's Worry About the Lineup This Winter
Let's Worry About the Lineup This Winter
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1 pointOffense is probably my least component I am worried about. You don't need a team of boppers 1-9 in the lineup to be successful. League avg for ding-dongs was 174, Twins finished +4 at 178. Cleveland Guardians had 127 total and only the lonely Tigers were worse. Pitching as measured by ERA gives us an idea of where teams were the strongest, thus small ball can win games. All 12 teams that made the playoffs were 3.87 or better for ERA (Toronto was the last team in at 3.87). Dodger and Astros were only team under 3.00. So Cleveland didn't have chicks who were digging the long ball but they were digging their balanced offense and Pitching to a tune of 3.46 which was 5th best in the league. Hell the Rays were 4th at 3.41 and they are consistently in the running for playoffs each year. Pitching and Defense wins games as they say. Do Twins have enough on that side?1 point- Your Guide to the Worst Black Friday Deals in Twins Territory
Your Guide to the Worst Black Friday Deals in Twins Territory
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1 pointI heard that the Twins were going to shock the world and pick up Justin Jefferson after confirming that he can catch everything! So long Carlos.1 point- Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
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1 pointI loved the essay, but it is hard to see next year and project the roster before December. At least this points out the moving pieces that can be used - just like the Kiner-Felafa trade, we just don't know what is in the FO minds. If there is that interest in Pagan maybe he is being kept as that extra player in a trade scenario (I hope).1 point- Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
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1 pointDude. Nick Gordon was our best LF. 'nuff said. That's how you miss the post season in the two years since Rosario left and Rosario wins a World Series.1 point- Let's Worry About the Lineup This Winter
Let's Worry About the Lineup This Winter
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1 pointI agree Mike. Jeffers is one answer, but the Twins need two more catchers (one on the major league team and one at AAA, besides Farmer, who can catch in a pinch. I noticed the Yankees young catcher, Antonio Gomez was left off the Yankees 40 man roster, making him available to be claimed by the Twins. His arm is rated as a 70. He also has a very quick delivery. His single A hitting stats are average, but he struck out way too much (100 times), but he is only 21. Teach him to bunt and he couldn't be worse than Sandy Leon. But he would not have Leon's experience behind the plate. He only played single A last year (hit .252 with 8 HR OPS .701), but is 6 foot 2 and 210 so he should gain power as he matures. One article I read stated he was the best catching defender in the Yankees system. Since this is a huge weakness in the Twins farm system, and on the Twins major league team, what are the arguments why the Twins should/should not grab him?1 point- Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
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1 pointGood article, Nick, as usual. Do you think the Twins view the Sano, Archer and Bundy dollars as dead money? I just noticed that some national folks have the Twins at 98 million. No big deal but that extra five million could get another catcher or bullpen arm if the Twins are open to just eating the 5 million for those three guys. I hope we find out about Correa soon, so if we don't land him, we can pivot to other players before they start signing elsewhere. Actually, if we were to add one of the 4 shortstops in FA, and Rodon or another live arm through a trade, this is not a bad looking roster IF the injured guys are healthy. If we get a top of the rotation guy, Maeda or Ober could be a spot starter and work out of the bullpen which would strengthen the relief corps as well. Isn't hot stove league fun?1 point- Minnesota Twins Extension Candidate: Luis Arraez
Minnesota Twins Extension Candidate: Luis Arraez
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1 pointMinnesota has multiple items on its offseason checklist, including finding a shortstop, upgrading the offense, and adding to the bullpen. It's also the time of year when teams can approach players about long-term extensions. The Twins have kept their payroll clean for multiple years into the future, and now is the time to capitalize on the organization's flexibility. 2022 Recap: Minnesota originally signed Luis Arraez back in 2013, so the 2022 season marked his ninth season in the Twins organization. As a prospect, Arraez showed signs of the type of hitter he'd become at the big-league level. In nearly 370 minor league games, he batted over .330 and got on base over 38.5% of the time. His limited power and lack of defense skills dropped him on prospect rankings, but his hit tool has followed him throughout the organization. During the 2022 season, he played in over 125 games for the first time in his career, which helped him to qualify for many of the accolades he received at the season's conclusion. His first half was tremendous as he hit .338/.411/.445 (.856) on the way to his first All-Star Game selection. There were second-half struggles as he fought through injuries. In 60 games, his batting average dropped to .289 with a .715 OPS. Clearly, he wanted to stay on the field to fight for the batting title and kept Aaron Judge from achieving the Triple Crown. Besides his All-Star Game appearance, Arraez has been honored with multiple awards since the season concluded. He became the inaugural winner of the Silver Slugger for utility players as he beat out Shohei Ohtani for the honor. At Twins Daily, Arraez beat out Carlos Correa for the team MVP honor. He was also the only Twins player to receive votes for the AL MVP as he finished 13th overall. Current Contract: Arraez was arbitration-eligible for the first time in 2022 as he accumulated enough service time to be designated a Super-Two player. He earned $2.125 million last season, and the Twins have team control over him through the 2025 season. MLB Trade Rumors projects Arraez to make $5 million through the arbitration process this season. He's starting to get expensive, and this might be the best time for the Twins to lock him up long-term. Contract Proposal: The Twins control Arraez through his age-27 season, so the front office needs to decide what value he provides the team in his late-20s and early-30s. The 25-year-old already doesn't have a defensive home while fighting multiple injuries in his career. The Twins will have younger and cheaper options with a similar skill set when Arraez is no longer under team control. That being said, his hit tool should age well, and the Twins may want him as a veteran leader in the future. Over the last two seasons, FanGraphs says Arraez provided the Twins $38 million in value. It seems unlikely for the club to offer him an extension that pays him near the value he has provided, but the team can be creative. Minnesota bought out free agent years from Max Kepler and Jorge Polanco by providing both players with guaranteed money. Both deals look like very team-friendly deals in retrospect, and it will be interesting to see if the Twins can do something similar with Arraez. Kepler and Polanco can provide a blueprint for a deal that might work for Arraez and the Twins. Polanco was guaranteed $25.75 million with options that could make it worth $47.25 million. Kepler's contract was worth $35 million with an option that takes the total value to $44 million. Would Arraez sign a contract that pays him $50-55 million for five years? This type of contract gives the Twins some cost certainty while also allowing Arraez to get life-changing money. Do the Twins want Arraez past his age-28 season? What kind of deal can keep him in Minnesota? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion. OTHER EXTENSION CANDIDATES - Sonny Gray1 point- Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
Offseason Status Update: Setting a Floor
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1 pointThanks Nick for laying everything out for us. It seems like the floor work has been laid down. We just have to wait & see what shakes loose.1 point- Is This the Year Kirilloff Sticks for Twins?
Good points.1 point- Rumor: Twins, Dodgers interested in Carlos Rodon
Rumor: Twins, Dodgers interested in Carlos Rodon
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1 pointI'll make this prediction and stick with it: Rodón will not get $150M. I think he can beat the recent contracts for Gausman, Ray, and Wheeler, which were all between $110-$118M—maybe in part because teams spend more freely this offseason—but I think those deals will be a baseline for comparison. I'll bet he gets $120-125M if it's a similar 5-year deal, or a little more or less (adjusting the AAV accordingly) if the deal is shorter or longer.1 point- Blayne Enlow is Entering a Make or Break Season
Blayne Enlow is Entering a Make or Break Season
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1 pointSorry but he’s never really been that good. If he was a 12th round pick we wouldn’t even be talking about him1 point- Your Guide to the Worst Black Friday Deals in Twins Territory
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1 pointFree shipping, I trust? I'm not inking one of these deals, only to get socked with priority shipping charges.1 point- RonCoomersOPS’s 2023 Payroll Blueprint
RonCoomersOPS’s 2023 Payroll Blueprint
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1 pointI think the Twins are going to go all in on offense this year, and let some of their young guys give it a go in the pitching staff. I'd expect the 5th starter to be fairly fluid, based on who has the hot hand at the moment, and we might also see that from the 4th starter spot depending on Bailey Ober's health. I'd guess I'll have to do that once or twice with the #1 and #2 starter spots, too, but what the heck...I want to see how some of our AA and AAA guys do in the majors this year. I'm still moving Kepler and Polanco in order to get younger/healthier/more productive guys into the lineup, and the upshot is that they should both bring back some interesting young talent. I'm also not counting on anything from Kirilloff coming into the year, so he's part of my trade that brings in Murphy. This is probably an extremely high risk roster, but I think there's enough offense and defense here to offset some of the risk I'm taking with the pitchers. C: Sean Murphy ($3.50M) 1B: Luis Arraez ($4.50M) 2B: Eduoard Julien ($0.70M) 3B: Jose Miranda ($0.70M) SS: Carlos Correa ($32.00M) LF: Trevor Larnach ($0.70M) CF: Byron Buxton ($15.00M) RF: Mitch Hanniger ($10.00M) DH: Jose Abreu ($12.00M) 4th OF: Nick Gordon ($0.70M) Utility: Kyle Farmer ($5.50M) Utility: Gilberto Celestino ($0.70M) Backup C: Ryan Jeffers ($0.70M) SP1: Sonny Gray ($12.00M) SP2: Tyler Mahle ($8.00M) SP3: Joe Ryan ($0.70M) SP4: Bailey Ober ($0.70M) SP5: Simeon Woods Richardson ($0.70M) RP: Jhoan Duran ($0.70M) RP: Jorge Lopez ($3.00M) RP: Griffin Jax ($0.70M) RP: Jorge Alcala ($1.00M) RP: Caleb Thielbar ($2.00M) RP: Kenta Maeda ($9.00M) RP: Evan Sisk ($0.70M) RP: Emilio Pagan ($4.00M) Payroll is 7.21% under budget1 point- Short starts wasn't "The Plan"
Short starts wasn't "The Plan"
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1 pointQuite a number of posts have railed about “The Plan” for Twins starters to make short starts and never face the Third Time Through the Order, but I did a fairly deep dive into looking at box scores and would offer a different analysis of their starter usage this season. Here’s an alternative take for consideration, arguing that The Plan was not the plan: From Opening Day until about May 31, the Twins tried using starters in a “normal” pattern. If you look at starters across the board (except for Archer), there are a decent number of 6 inning starts and even some 7 inning starts from Gray, Ryan, Paddack, and Bundy. Unfortunately, by May 31, every starter except Archer had already spent time on the IL or was sent to the minors for being ineffective. That meant a 13-game stretch where their starters were Smeltzer, Sands, Ober, Archer, Gonzalez, Bundy, Smeltzer, Sands, Archer, Bundy, Smeltzer, Gonzalez. Continuing that is a recipe for disaster. On June 14 and 15, Ryan and Gray came off the IL to join Archer, Bundy and somebody else (more on that coming) in the rotation. At that point, I think the team felt like it had two choices. They could either keep using starters “normally” and risk them going back to the IL, replaced by Gonzalez, Sands, et. al, OR they could find a way to manage their workload. They chose the latter, shortening the outings of nearly all of their starters from that point forward. For a time it worked, at least in terms of staying healthy. From June 13 to Sept. 9, the quartet of Bundy-Archer-Ryan-Gray made all of their starts, with the exception of a short IL stint around the All-Star break for Archer, where he missed two outings. The fifth spot in the rotation was first filled by Smeltzer (6 times), Winder (3 times, once as a 27th man and twice in Archer’s spot) and Sanchez (2 times). Then they traded for Mahle, who made three starts in the fifth spot and got hurt. Then two more for Sanchez, one more for Mahle and one from Varland. I’d also suggest that it largely worked in terms of quality. Gray pitched as expected, but it was actually Bundy who was their most effective starter and who played a key role in keeping them in the race. Bundy had 14 starts (including two in the 13-game stint referenced above), going 72.1 innings with a 3.36 ERA and a .629 OPS against. Gray had 14 starts, going 71 innings with a 3.42 ERA and an .672 OPS against. Archer was arguably the next most effective. He made 15 starts (again counting the two in the 13-game stint referenced above), totaling 66.1 innings with a .657 OPS against. His ERA was elevated at 4.61, driven up primarily by several games when he got shellacked, including giving up six runs in 3 innings in his first game off the short IL stint. In 10 of the 15 games, however, he kept the team in the game by giving up two or fewer runs, but always in 4-5 innings. Though he threw the most innings (75 in 14 starts), Ryan was actually the least effective, giving up a .783 OPS on the way to a 4.80 ERA. In his defense on the latter, it’s skewed by a game in which he game up 10 runs. I didn’t total up the showings of the others, other than to anecdotally remember that it was a mix of performances, what one might expect of a No. 5. Though they had lost the lead, they were still just 1.5 games back when Cleveland came to town on Sept. 9. Then the wheels came off. Mahle had been picked up to the fill the fifth spot, but had gotten hurt. Though Archer had pitched a lot of decent games, he never stretched out to the degree they hoped and made just one more start before being shut down. Gray made two more starts and was shut down. Bundy kept making starts, but ran out of gas and was ineffective. The bullpen showed spurts of effectiveness (Duran, Jax, Fulmer and Lopez at times after their acquisitions, Pagan in low-leverage spots during July and August). But overall, the bullpen was unable to handle the workload required with the short outings. If you’ve made it this far, here’s my summary: Short starts wasn’t “The Plan,” but they were forced into it by early-season injuries and the inability of Archer to extend. Consider how the story with starters might have been different if either Paddack or Ober stayed healthy; Archer does stretch out to going 5 innings regularly and 6 occasionally rather than never getting past the 4-5 range; and Mahle stays healthy after the trade. Though they could have brought up some of the young guys to use as long reliever/piggy backs, I think they saw the writing on the wall that things were not sustainable. Instead, they placed an emphasis on the long view, allowing guys like Varland and Woods Richardson to continue their development. They DID have several instances where they used Sanchez as an innings-eater. Were there some games when Rocco could have read Twins Daily and kept a starter in an inning longer? Probably, but I think they were again playing the long game, believing that their only chance of staying in the race was making sure that guys could make their next start. And the one after that. As an additional data point to suggest that short starts wasn’t The Plan, it’s worth noting that in composite of the previous years of the Falvey/Levine era, the Twins were actually within 0.1 innings of the league average in start length. The one year in which they were 0.3 innings less than the league average was the year in which they used Openers on at least eight games. Eight starts of one inning instead of five knocks your season average down by 0.2 innings. Conversely, in the season when Berrios, Odo, Pineda and Gibson stayed healthy, they actually were 0.3 innings ABOVE average in starter length.1 point- Can the Twins Count On Starter’s Health?
Can the Twins Count On Starter’s Health?
TwinsRealist reacted to jdgoin for a post in a topic
1 pointNo. They can't count on health. Especially the guys who have been injured in the past. There are 3 potential #3 starters among Gray, Mahle, & Ryan. I don't think any of them would be considered a #1 or #2. @Ted Schwerzler, I am curious which under-lying metrics of Mahle are "eye popping"? I see some that are above average. They currently have 3 above average starters who are good pitchers with questions around each one. After that they have wild cards and still need depth. The way they have constructed their pitching staff and handled their starters creates a lot of stress.1 point- Can the Twins Count On Starter’s Health?
Can the Twins Count On Starter’s Health?
TwinsRealist reacted to mikelink45 for a post in a topic
1 pointI agree with Linus - can Rocco and Maki help a pitcher improve and move up from 3 to 2? If we have a rotation of 3-4s and Rocco keeps using them for 4 - 5 innings the BP is key, but overworked. This is not an essay that gives me good feelings about the next year. Can Sonny Gray pitch the full year, can he stay injury free and mentally adjust to the Rocco method? BR comps - Lance Lynn and Trevor Bauer. I hope he performs at that level. Will Mahle come back from his injury and stay healthy? This potential ACE (?) has had one good year - 2021. Otherwise his ERA is in the mid 4s. Sorry, but underlying stats don't do much for me - I need to see performance on the field. BR comps - Paul Mitchell and Bud Norris! Maeda could be a mirage. One half year of great performance and fortunately it was the short year. Next he comes back with a more normal mid 4 ERA. That is what his career expects. His BR comps are very good - Jameson Taillon and Collin McHugh. Joe Ryan is really just 1 1/2 years in the majors. His age says that is where he should be and he definitely had the attitude to face anyone, his performance says he cannot face the really good lineups - yet. His BR comp is Yonny Chirinos - a Player I do not know. But I expect Joe to continue to be a workhorse if Rocco lets him. Bailey Ober has not pitched enough to really be much beyond a rookie - like Joe Ryan, but he has given us some very surprising results - I still do not trust him in key games. Tom McGuire and Nick Tropeano are his comps on BR - I have no idea who they are. So let's hope he improves and stays healthy. Chris Paddack is actually younger than Joe Ryan and Bailey Ober - I am shocked. He has four years of MLB experience and a poor health record. His four year ERA is 4.20 so I hope he comes back, and I hope he is better than he has shown so far.. His comps are Aaron Civale (I like that) and Joe Ross. I look at the numbers, the comps, the performance last year and see, at best, a middle of the pack rotation. I hope that some really improve on their current status.1 point- Can the Twins Count On Starter’s Health?
Can the Twins Count On Starter’s Health?
TwinsRealist reacted to Steve71 for a post in a topic
1 pointWhy is "Rodon not the answer"? Honestly curious, as he looks like a much better SP than anything on our roster and is another Boros FA. Maybe we can package both Correa and Rodon?1 point- Can the Twins Count On Starter’s Health?
Can the Twins Count On Starter’s Health?
TwinsRealist reacted to Linus for a post in a topic
1 point“High level talent”. Sorry I’m not seeing that - I see a group of oft injured number 3 starters. The “if everything goes perfectly we will be good” plan never works. Sign some pitchers.1 point- Max Kepler’s Value
Max Kepler’s Value
DocBauer reacted to nicksaviking for a post in a topic
1 pointhttps://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/astros-rumors-corner-outfielder-free-agent-left-handed.html Step right up, have I got a deal for you, young man! But yeah, this team isn't getting anything terribly exciting for Kepler and his contract. The benefit is clearing room for the number of young players who need at bats and clearing budget to better allocate to free agents.1 point- Before posting a new offseason trade or free agent rumor, please read this thread
Before posting a new offseason trade or free agent rumor, please read this thread
lecroy24fan reacted to CRF for a post in a topic
1 pointJust wanted to say thanks for all you do.1 pointThis leaderboard is set to Chicago/GMT-06:00 - The Troubling Realities of Buying High on Free Agent Pitching