Game Recap: Twins 2, Royals 1

When Rogers is good...

Liking Nick Gordon.

So Ober is #82? By my calculation he's only 81 inches tall!

34 minutes ago, wsnydes said:

These stolen base things are exciting!  I'd love to see more of them!  I'd like to see more of Gordon, even if it's just a showcase for trade bait.  Those are the types of things I want to see the rest of the season.

Me too, no hashtag.

"Strikeouts aside, Miguel Sanó continued to hit the ball hard today with an RBI double that gave the Twins their first lead in the third, as well as hitting a shot to centerfied in the 6th that had  an exit velocity of 96.5 miles per hour and an xBA of .390."

See....... Sano just needs to swing harder and it will make it out of the park!  

A few observations to add on:

1. I know I'm old...55....but am I the only fan who could care less about exit velo, xBA and launch angles? I know those things aren't going away, but I'm only concerned about did Player A for the Twins have a quality/productive AB---especially with RISP.  2-11 today, which has been "the norm" all season.

2.  Nick Gordon:  Yes, some regression is quite possible, but he needs to STAY ON THE ACTIVE ROSTER for the forseeable future.  2 more hits today and his speed add a huge missing element to our stagnant offense.

3. Matt Shoemaker:  Looking for anyone to make an argument why he should remain in the rotation over Bailey Ober?

4.  I know only a miniscule sample size...last 2 games........but is their finally some defined roles in the bullpen?  Alcala for 6th, Duffy in 7th and combo of Robles/Rogers for 8th-9th.  

Not sure if anyone had a sickening feeling like I did going into bottom of 6th nursing a 2-1 lead, but I seriously thought Baldelli was going to bring Colome in at that point.  

5.  What is the status of Refsnyder coming off 7-day IL?  I didn't see Celestino today (fine with that).  Can't believe using Garlick is any long term answer, but his bat deserves the ABs much moreso than Celestino.

and finally.........

What is the "over/under" for Twins wins this week hosting Yanks and Stros over the next 6 games?

I'll set the line at 2

A good team should win close games and pitchers duels, but we are playing the bottom teams and for us to barely win the games we are not blown out in is not a good sign.  I do like having Ober pitch today and I understand what the writer says about him getting hit harder as the game goes on, but part of learning how to be a starter is to learn how to handle situations like this and to work through them.  

I think you have Rogers mismarked on the bullpen chart. He definitely pitched today.

1 hour ago, darwin22 said:

A few observations to add on:

1. I know I'm old...55....but am I the only fan who could care less about exit velo, xBA and launch angles? I know those things aren't going away, but I'm only concerned about did Player A for the Twins have a quality/productive AB---especially with RISP.  2-11 today, which has been "the norm" all season.

Velocity and xBA are great measures of a "quality at bat." If you hit the ball 95+ mph, that's a good AB. If it happens to be right at a fielder, well, you can't control that.

1 hour ago, h2oface said:

"Strikeouts aside, Miguel Sanó continued to hit the ball hard today with an RBI double that gave the Twins their first lead in the third, as well as hitting a shot to centerfied in the 6th that had  an exit velocity of 96.5 miles per hour and an xBA of .390."

See....... Sano just needs to swing harder and it will make it out of the park!  

Well....let's have more fun with math to get the complete picture...

His AVERAGE exit velocity with strikeouts was (96.5+0+0+0)/4 =  24.125 mph*

There, I knew that modern statistics could still explain a crappy performance!

*does not include 5th AB; If anyone an find it, feel free to recalculate; the average will still be bad

1 hour ago, darwin22 said:

A few observations to add on:

1. I know I'm old...55....but am I the only fan who could care less about exit velo, xBA and launch angles? I know those things aren't going away, but I'm only concerned about did Player A for the Twins have a quality/productive AB---especially with RISP.  2-11 today, which has been "the norm" all season.

2.  Nick Gordon:  Yes, some regression is quite possible, but he needs to STAY ON THE ACTIVE ROSTER for the forseeable future.  2 more hits today and his speed add a huge missing element to our stagnant offense.

3. Matt Shoemaker:  Looking for anyone to make an argument why he should remain in the rotation over Bailey Ober?

4.  I know only a miniscule sample size...last 2 games........but is their finally some defined roles in the bullpen?  Alcala for 6th, Duffy in 7th and combo of Robles/Rogers for 8th-9th.  

Not sure if anyone had a sickening feeling like I did going into bottom of 6th nursing a 2-1 lead, but I seriously thought Baldelli was going to bring Colome in at that point.  

5.  What is the status of Refsnyder coming off 7-day IL?  I didn't see Celestino today (fine with that).  Can't believe using Garlick is any long term answer, but his bat deserves the ABs much moreso than Celestino.

and finally.........

What is the "over/under" for Twins wins this week hosting Yanks and Stros over the next 6 games?

I'll set the line at 2

 

1: Terry Ryan got run out of town for such thoughts.  And he was a much better judge of talent than you and me will ever be.

2:  Too bad Gordon or Polanco can not play a passable SS.  No spot for Gordon on the active roster one Arraez comes back

3: Shoemaker is a proven MLB pitcher, Ober made two starts and hasn’t got past the 5 inning 

4: weird how the bullpen looks better when Rogers and Duffey are getting people out.  Robles is a little scary to me

i will take the over....forever an optimist 

39 minutes ago, blindeke said:

Velocity and xBA are great measures of a "quality at bat." If you hit the ball 95+ mph, that's a good AB. If it happens to be right at a fielder, well, you can't control that.

Great hitters, throughout the history of the game, have been able to control where the ball goes when they hit it. Pulling, hitting to the opposite field, hitting in the shift to where they aren't... Rod Carew certainly comes to mind as I saw him do it his whole career.  I think the assumption stated as fact that you can't control where you hit the ball is just not true. Some can't. For some it is just the goal to touch the ball as well as you can. The truly great hitters seem to have more motive and success. I will take soft contact for a hit anyday over hitting it 95 mph right at someone, and will continue to declare a hit a better at bat than hitting the ball hard with a poor outcome.

"Might need to reign it in [against the Royals] a bit..."

I see what you did there.

8 hours ago, darwin22 said:

3. Matt Shoemaker:  Looking for anyone to make an argument why he should remain in the rotation over Bailey Ober?

Got nothing lol

Strikeouts aside I was also a great hitter! Well maybe not great, but if it weren’t for them and the fielders I would have been a lot  better! ?

8 hits, 3 walks in 6 innings, 2-8 RISP = 2 runs. 
2=11 RISP for the game. Yet I keep hearing that RBI’s are an outdated and meaningless stat? 

"A lot of fans were hoping that 13 games against the Orioles and Royals would ignite this team into the playoff contender they were projected to be. Unfortunately, the Twins end up going 6-7 over that stretch and now face Yankees and Astros for six games at home after an off-day on Monday. I’d imagine these last two weeks were the figurative “nail in the coffin” for even the most optimistic fans."

I just looked at the standings. This morning we are 6 games behind the Royals, meaning we were 6 games back when we pulled into KC. I would think that would be an indication to the fans that the Royals weren’t going to be as cooperative as some had hoped. 
 

But baseball is a strange game. The Twins could just possibly have better results this week in the face of impending doom. 

I would like to see Gordon get a decent shot.  Not sure if it was all health, or that he just did not fit the new FO type of guy, but he really fell down the organizational depth charts.  I am not expecting all star numbers from him, but I bet he could be a super utility guy for a few years. 

Wondering about Gordon…

Wasn't he also considered a pitching prospect at the draft? His arm must be pretty good for SS. Is it his footwork or his reaction/read time that prevent him from playing a passable SS? His minor league error rate doesn’t seem to be the problem. 

If he is to be a super utility shouldn’t he be getting time in the outfield as well as 3B in St. Paul? His arm should be able to handle those spots. His speed should work in CF. Reading the ball off the bat and getting the best jump would need a lot of reps that can happen in St. Paul.

14 hours ago, blindeke said:

Velocity and xBA are great measures of a "quality at bat." If you hit the ball 95+ mph, that's a good AB. If it happens to be right at a fielder, well, you can't control that.

I would still prefer a ball that is hit only 50 MPH and falls in for a hit and scores a runner.  And, yes, I'm 74 years old.

16 hours ago, darwin22 said:

A few observations to add on:

1. I know I'm old...55....but am I the only fan who could care less about exit velo, xBA and launch angles? I know those things aren't going away, but I'm only concerned about did Player A for the Twins have a quality/productive AB---especially with RISP.  2-11 today, which has been "the norm" all season.

2.  Nick Gordon:  Yes, some regression is quite possible, but he needs to STAY ON THE ACTIVE ROSTER for the forseeable future.  2 more hits today and his speed add a huge missing element to our stagnant offense.

3. Matt Shoemaker:  Looking for anyone to make an argument why he should remain in the rotation over Bailey Ober?

4.  I know only a miniscule sample size...last 2 games........but is their finally some defined roles in the bullpen?  Alcala for 6th, Duffy in 7th and combo of Robles/Rogers for 8th-9th.  

Not sure if anyone had a sickening feeling like I did going into bottom of 6th nursing a 2-1 lead, but I seriously thought Baldelli was going to bring Colome in at that point.  

5.  What is the status of Refsnyder coming off 7-day IL?  I didn't see Celestino today (fine with that).  Can't believe using Garlick is any long term answer, but his bat deserves the ABs much moreso than Celestino.

and finally.........

What is the "over/under" for Twins wins this week hosting Yanks and Stros over the next 6 games?

I'll set the line at 2

 

You are not the only "old schooler" on here who could not care less about those numbers. 

I push them aside like the cold canned peas my parents used to try to make me eat as a kid.

I understand that exit velocity is a fancy way of saying "hard hit," but I find stats like that and how many ft a HR was hit to be unnecessary and more for marketing than anything else. A HR is just as many runs if goes 330 ft or 500, at 80 mph or 130.

How has Farrell looked? His numbers seem decent so far, like we may have finally found another MLB pitcher after a dozen tryouts.

10 hours ago, Platoon said:

8 hits, 3 walks in 6 innings, 2-8 RISP = 2 runs. 
2=11 RISP for the game. Yet I keep hearing that RBI’s are an outdated and meaningless stat? 

The same people that claim RBI are meaningless and outdated, like to use Batting average with RISP with great importance. I guess they are important to a team, but not important that an individual actually steps up to the added pressure and delivers. Go figure...........