Carlos Correa Saved the Twins Offseason

[Karbo]

18 hours ago, Blyleven2011 said:

I under stand the title that Correa saved the season but he and the others have to play the game to win ...

The front office and Rocco need to implement a new plan that hasn't worked since 2019 or the past 2 season for sure  , yes injuries were a big problem in 2022 but so was driving in runs in scoring position  ...

You see the ball you hit the ball , to many strikeouts and not enough clutch hitting , as a player developes  he should have a better eye at the plate and cut down the strikeouts and create more walks ...

Rbi's and runs do count and the twins have had problems scoring runs for a couple of years now especially with no outs and runners on third ... 

Have had a 100 rbi's or a 100 runs scored by any player since Rosario ...

Change the plan so those runners score  , bring back small ball , alot has to change in coaching and preventing injuries , rocco needs to know what his players are capable of and put them in winning situations ... 

I like Correa's attitude to win , and that he wants to take this team to the ultimate goal  ...

How about finding a good manager?

[jmlease1]

There's been multiple posts in here about the front office "getting lucky", not giving them credit for having Correa land in their laps etc. It seems to boil down to if you already didn't like the front office, don't like the style of baseball, and/or refer to management running things via spreadsheet, then they get no credit or approbation for signing Correa. The offseason wasn't saved. It's all still terrible. That's pretty muddled thinking to me.

[rv78]

Re-signing a player you had, who wanted to stay, that left to go to two other teams that they rejected due to health concerns and then falls into your lap a 2nd time hardly saves an off-season. Why does anyone expect him to be better than he was last year? His 2022 season was about average for him when he's healthy. Is everyone expecting him to suddenly be a 200 Hits, 30 HR, 100RBI guy, when he has never ever come close to in his 8 year career? His salary is that of a superstar, which he isn't. 

The deals on two players that have saved this off-season so far are Farmer and Vazquez, they have improved the team over last year, not Correa.

[Whitey333]

Yes the Twins did well in getting Correa.  Hopefully the cost wasn't too high so as not to be able to secure players needed in other areas.  Farmer is a good addition.  Urshela may have been a poor substraction.  I noticed someone said Farmer had more RBIs than Urshela.  That is true.  It is also true that Farmer had more RBIs than Correa.  Does that mean anything?  Not really.  Just be careful comparing stats.  Signing Correa should be considered a step in molding the roster into a competitive contender.  Hoping the injured players come back AND produce is very risky planning.  As is counting on starting pitching staff full of injuries and very limited MLB experience.  Relying on a manager that has good analytic skills but no managerial skills is also foolhearty.  Rocco is a mediocre manager that oversees very boring baseball.  I'm hoping that he improves as well or 2023 will be a dismal repeat.  After 2021 we were told it was unlucky baseball and poor seasons by key players that lead to an awful season.  2022 has been blamed on injuries.  2023 better show significant improvement or start finding excuses.  Correa or no I think most of us want a playoff caliber team with hopes of finally winning a playoff game.  Go Correa!  Go Twins.

[dex8425]

2 hours ago, rv78 said:

Re-signing a player you had, who wanted to stay, that left to go to two other teams that they rejected due to health concerns and then falls into your lap a 2nd time hardly saves an off-season. Why does anyone expect him to be better than he was last year? His 2022 season was about average for him when he's healthy. Is everyone expecting him to suddenly be a 200 Hits, 30 HR, 100RBI guy, when he has never ever come close to in his 8 year career? His salary is that of a superstar, which he isn't. 

The deals on two players that have saved this off-season so far are Farmer and Vazquez, they have improved the team over last year, not Correa.

Correa is projected to be the 17th most valuable position player in MLB this year. Ahead of Freddie Freeman, Francisco Lindor and behind Nolan Arenado and Jose Ramirez. I'd call all those guys superstars. 

Don't like projections? Okay, last year he was tied for 44th overall in MLB for most valuable player regardless of position with some guy named Max Scherzer and Dylan Cease. 

You'd have to have a pretty narrow definition of superstar for Correa not to be in there. If your definition only includes the traditional 200 hits, 30HR, 100 RBI guys, then there was literally no one who fit that definition last year.

[Aaron Weiland]

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Correa’s acquisition means the Twins are roughly where they were a season ago

I disagree with this framing a lot. Even before Correa resigned, the Twins were better than they were last year. Getting key pieces back from injuries counts. Getting back Maeda, Alcala, presumably healthy Kirilloff etc makes us a better team, as does finally establishing depth from within with Varland, SWR, and perhaps Julien and Lee too. 

[jimbo92107]

Guys that play with reckless abandon get wrecked and abandoned. Carlos Correa is reminded of that by a plate in his ankle. Byron Buxton knows that by an early career spent too much on the injured list. Both men know that their careers, worth many millions of dollars, depend on avoiding some of those massive collisions, by playing with more craft and less crazy. 

Thus, I am okay with both men declining to challenge any stolen base records. I am also okay with them declining to collide with walls or other players. Their best value is in their gloves, throwing arms, and bats, along with their expert knowledge of how to win ballgames. I am fine with fewer highlights and more wins. 

[Possumlad]

6 hours ago, rv78 said:

Re-signing a player you had, who wanted to stay, that left to go to two other teams that they rejected due to health concerns and then falls into your lap a 2nd time hardly saves an off-season. Why does anyone expect him to be better than he was last year? His 2022 season was about average for him when he's healthy. Is everyone expecting him to suddenly be a 200 Hits, 30 HR, 100RBI guy, when he has never ever come close to in his 8 year career? His salary is that of a superstar, which he isn't. 

The deals on two players that have saved this off-season so far are Farmer and Vazquez, they have improved the team over last year, not Correa.

This is an odd take. How many "superstars" do you think there are in the MLB? If it's more than 5-10, Correa is one of them. 

He had the 23rd highest WAR in baseball among position players - essentially the same WAR as Juan Soto, Lindor, Carlos Rodon, and Altuve. Are those players superstars? 

He's not Judge or Ohtani, but he's right there in that next group and plays a super-premium position.