Trevor Bauer Is Not Worth It

[August J Gloop]

23 hours ago, Beast said:

Another note I forgot to mention:

It was hilarious when he threw the ball over the center field fence.  That really hurt people feelings?  Good grief.

That goes both ways too. Everyone seems to want people to pimp home runs, bat flip, show up other players with ridiculous celebrations for everything….there’s a polar opposite to that you have to accept then too.  Get used to people throwing and slamming bats when strike out.  Bash water coolers.  Throw balls over fences.

He did that to tell his manager to get stuffed, though. Not to celebrate anything, but to indicate his manager was a moron for coming to get him. That's exactly the opposite of celebrating a home run. 

[August J Gloop]

14 hours ago, Wizard11 said:

IMO, any team signing Bauer is giving a big middle finger to women,  I think that is a much more significant point then how he would or would not fit in a clubhouse.

Exactly. I think it should speak volumes that there's an (I assume) male identifying person in this thread who asterisked out the word crap, but is forgiving of non-consensual sexual activity.  Women see this kind of inconsistency in their every day lives and don't want baseball to wave a huge sign in their face that for the men in their lives winning is more important than their safety. 

It would be a PR disaster if he were a guaranteed CY-Young candidate, let alone the marginal upgrade he is likely to be 3 years after his last season of good play. 

As to the bananas stuff about he didn't do a crime because he didn't get charged, wut? Is it really your position that 3 women and at least two journalists made stuff up? Do some reading on how hard it is to convict obvious rapists before you cling to the idea that something as thoroughly vetted as this situation is a simple 'he said / she said'. 

[August J Gloop]

2 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

I said "borderline criminal", and I think that's accurate. He wasn't charged, but he could have been, and who knows where things go after that? And the anti-trans & anti-Semitic social media posts are expressions of bigotry, they're not "rumors" just because you missed them. And he's certainly not sorry.

The idea that a) this team somehow needs "fire" to win, and b) Bauer is even remotely capable of bringing that energy in a positive way is pretty ridiculous. They wanted him out in Cleveland, they're eating his salary in LA to get rid of him and he'll bring a firestorm media circus with him if he lands a gig anywhere in MLB that will be a distraction at best and more likely a garbage fire.

Let's not forget the most important part. He's gotten away with sexual violence publicly 3 times now. He will do it again. Any team that signs him will be 100% on the hook for whatever this serial abuser does next. And his defense next time he beats a woman will be that she consented to it by being on the planet with him. And a bunch of creep-os will ask what the woman was wearing or did she make flirty overtures to him. 

We do not need this man in Minnesota. I mean the state generally, but that would cover the team, too. 

[sweetmusicviola16]

2 hours ago, August J Gloop said:

Let's not forget the most important part. He's gotten away with sexual violence publicly 3 times now. He will do it again. Any team that signs him will be 100% on the hook for whatever this serial abuser does next. And his defense next time he beats a woman will be that she consented to it by being on the planet with him. And a bunch of creep-os will ask what the woman was wearing or did she make flirty overtures to him. 

We do not need this man in Minnesota. I mean the state generally, but that would cover the team, too. 

But yet the state of MN voted in Keith Ellison after he beat on his Ex? 

As for Bauer? No. He hasn't been good enough in his career to warrant the distractions that he could/can bring. He also hasn't pitched in a season and a half. No. Lets get someone better even though the price is almost free.

[h2oface]

20 hours ago, Steve71 said:

Strangely enough, the Twins clubhouse might be in a better position to handle a character like Bauer if they had Correa leading it....

Me, personally, I would not touch this guy unless I had a face-to-face interview with the guy with all topics on the table to try and clear the air and see if you are comfortable with him on the team...or not.

Given his talent, plus the minimum salary, it would be worth at least talking to him if he wanted to play here.  Being in a small market "backwater" like Minnesota might be the best place for him to reform his image and rehabilitate his character.

It takes an unpunished, immunity granted, self admitted, well known - hated by most fans around baseball except Astros and Twins fans - cheater, to control a player with a reputation of being a clubhouse “misbehaver”? Interesting juxtaposition. 

[h2oface]

7 hours ago, laloesch said:

He was acquitted by a criminal court.  The issue is over.

Well, not acquitted. To be acquitted, one has to be charged and brought to trial. Bauer was never charged, at all, by any state or federal prosecutors, as all investigations resulted in insufficient evidence to even charge him with a crime of any kind. The only hearing was for a restraining order by a female plaintiff, which was denied by a female judge as unnecessary after extensive evidence was presented. 

[h2oface]

On 1/9/2023 at 11:26 AM, Beast said:

Another note I forgot to mention:

It was hilarious when he threw the ball over the center field fence.  That really hurt people feelings?  Good grief.

That goes both ways too. Everyone seems to want people to pimp home runs, bat flip, show up other players with ridiculous celebrations for everything….there’s a polar opposite to that you have to accept then too.  Get used to people throwing and slamming bats when strike out.  Bash water coolers.  Throw balls over fences.

That was funny! It was funny when Torii Hunter threw the ball back at the pitcher that had just hit him with it, too! 
 

[PseudoSABR]

47 minutes ago, h2oface said:

It takes an unpunished, immunity granted, self admitted, well known - hated by most fans around baseball except Astros and Twins fans - cheater, to control a player with a reputation of being a clubhouse “misbehaver”? Interesting juxtaposition. 

Where in the last season was any of the pejorative thrust about Correa relevant?  Sure, he had a rep coming in; but that didn't quite bear out, did it now?

[PseudoSABR]

8 hours ago, laloesch said:

He was acquitted by a criminal court.  The issue is over.

He was not acquitted.  Prosecutors choose not to charge a high profile accused--not because he was innocent, but rather they either felt they could not meet their burden of beyond reasonable doubt, or it was not worth the media attention/resources/etc.  

Whether "consented" to or not, Bauer's behavior is objectively atrocious. 

[Craig Arko]

Since so many proclaim him an upstanding citizen, I could see him being highly sought after as a pre-school teacher.

[AlGoreRythm]

On 1/9/2023 at 12:51 PM, Doctor Gast said:

on a Dodger podcast the fans overwhelmingly are in favor of LAD bringing him back

This would be a VERY narrow, self selected sample size of Dodger fans.

Obviously not a fact nor anything that can actually be measured. How can anyone tell you what most Dodger fans want?

I would certainly want to search out more information about what most Dodger fans want before forming an opinion.

And probably would want to check on what Bauer's activities on social media amount to before deciding how open I was to bringing him in.

My guess is the Twins and most teams ARE aware of those activities and will likely choose not to deal with his toxicity, and rightly so.

[Doctor Gast]

4 hours ago, AlGoreRythm said:

This would be a VERY narrow, self selected sample size of Dodger fans.

Obviously not a fact nor anything that can actually be measured. How can anyone tell you what most Dodger fans want?

I would certainly want to search out more information about what most Dodger fans want before forming an opinion.

And probably would want to check on what Bauer's activities on social media amount to before deciding how open I was to bringing him in.

My guess is the Twins and most teams ARE aware of those activities and will likely choose not to deal with his toxicity, and rightly so.

What I saw wasn't reported hearsay but actual survey & fans chatting in. The podcast is a strictly fan based ran by unbias hosts.

Social media is exactly where I don't want to go to get any truth. Social media is a breeding ground for anyone with an agenda to spread their propaganda. W/o any discernment people believe their propaganda as truth and it spreads like cancer.

Like I stated before I'm not a fan of Bauer, he acts like he has a big chip on his shoulder. But I want to be open to the  real truth and from there make an assumption. Now days people aren't taught to rationalize anything just believe what they are told. You can try to rationalize with them but they still want to believe the hearsay.

[Kummel]

https://dodgersway.com/posts/dodgers-reportedly-may-have-savior-on-trevor-bauer-trade-front-twins-01gpewt0jcev

 

Don't know if this is true, hope it is NOT.  The Dodgers did the right thing, Bauer is a toxic and repellent person, accused by multiple women of sadistic sexual violence.   I would be disgusted if the Twins get involved with this.

[AlGoreRythm]

5 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

What I saw wasn't reported hearsay but actual survey & fans chatting in. The podcast is a strictly fan based ran by unbias hosts.

Social media is exactly where I don't want to go to get any truth. Social media is a breeding ground for anyone with an agenda to spread their propaganda. W/o any discernment people believe their propaganda as truth and it spreads like cancer.

Like I stated before I'm not a fan of Bauer, he acts like he has a big chip on his shoulder. But I want to be open to the  real truth and from there make an assumption. Now days people aren't taught to rationalize anything just believe what they are told. You can try to rationalize with them but they still want to believe the hearsay.

Forgive me but your claim that certain podcast hosts are unbiased yet assuming anything on social media cannot be true even when it's posted by the guy we're talking about is just silly. Guess what, those podcasters almost certainly took that survey on social media. Not that it matters because it's obviously still a self selected sample of fans who took the survey. It's not scientific, it's a survey. Not a fact in any way.

We aren't talking about getting news from social media, we're talking about his specific posts, actions, videos, opinions, etc that show him for who he is. Those matter whether or not you care to pay attention to it.

My point is that you are forming your opinion without all the information and actually seem to reject the idea of seeking out all the information.

Guess we can all be glad the Twins haven't hired you to do their due diligence.

[August J Gloop]

16 hours ago, h2oface said:

Well, not acquitted. To be acquitted, one has to be charged and brought to trial. Bauer was never charged, at all, by any state or federal prosecutors, as all investigations resulted in insufficient evidence to even charge him with a crime of any kind. The only hearing was for a restraining order by a female plaintiff, which was denied by a female judge as unnecessary after extensive evidence was presented. 

Sure if we want to play that game we also need to acknowledge the 'female judge's'** track record of publishing papers suggesting the real problem with abuse are the victim advocates. Or her history of reuniting children with their abusive fathers even after they fled. In fact the entire basis of her decision to not award the restraining order seemed to be was that once consent is granted, it couldn't be taken away. Including when she had been rendered unconcious. 

That judge is Dianna Gould-Saltman

https://ballotpedia.org/Dianna_Gould-Saltman

As you can see she has not faced a general election in over 13 years. 

Her 'thoughts' about victim advocacy and therapists: 

https://www.lyngreenbergphd.com/2022/Division_43_Handouts/7. Gould-Saltman, 2021.pdf   

Here she is advocating a 14 year old be forced to visit her father

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-my-14-year-old-daughter-say-no-to-her-father-s-57328.html#!

Here is a twitter account mentioning a decicison of hers this winter: 

https://twitter.com/unmaskthenarc/status/1606878880471683072

All in all this judge isn't much concerned about putting women in harms way around men. Bauer's representation did good to get the restraining order decision in front of this judge. They knew the DA was the kind of weasel who wold use the dismissal of it as a way to avoid trying to prosecute a high profile case that would 100% end up at appeal. 

**It's always a bad look when one tries to defend the patriarchy by pointing out that a woman in moderate power acted to protect it. 

 

 

[Doctor Gast]

1 hour ago, AlGoreRythm said:

Forgive me but your claim that certain podcast hosts are unbiased yet assuming anything on social media cannot be true even when it's posted by the guy we're talking about is just silly. Guess what, those podcasters almost certainly took that survey on social media. Not that it matters because it's obviously still a self selected sample of fans who took the survey. It's not scientific, it's a survey. Not a fact in any way.

We aren't talking about getting news from social media, we're talking about his specific posts, actions, videos, opinions, etc that show him for who he is. Those matter whether or not you care to pay attention to it.

My point is that you are forming your opinion without all the information and actually seem to reject the idea of seeking out all the information.

Guess we can all be glad the Twins haven't hired you to do their due diligence.

 

  On 1/9/2023 at 12:51 PM, Doctor Gast said:     on a Dodger podcast the fans overwhelmingly are in favor of LAD bringing him back

I just reported what I seen on a very popular unbias Dodger podcast, I wasn't forming an opinion or try to twist anything or stated hearsay. In response to what you had said, Later I stated that something to the effect of I don't I trust anything coming from social media, that is my prerogative. And let me further explain that everything on social media is agenda motivated to sway public opinion. They don't want you to ask questions that want you to shut up & except everything they feed you.

Just because I don't value or believe everything that comes out social media doesn't disqualify me from being able to do due diligence. Actually I question those you get all their info from social media

 

[joefish]

On 1/9/2023 at 8:48 AM, MN_ExPat said:

That's a fair assessment.  While other players have done the same type of things, or possibly worse, few have been as polarizing personality wise as Bauer (or in other words he seems to have an almost pathological need to be a waste orifice).

While I do believe players and people deserve a second chance usually (it's sad to see a player possibly just throw away all that talent because he's stupid), it's hard make a case for someone who just keeps getting in their own way.  

Note: A few folks may have seen my blog entry on the same thing, again... I'm not condoning or campaigning to pick him up, and I'm pretty sure the FO won't even consider it beyond the most ephemeral of fleeting thoughts. 

If it weren't for second chances we'd all be alone. 

[Craig Arko]

2 minutes ago, joefish said:

If it weren't for second chances we'd all be alone. 

And if there have already been multiple second chances, all ending rather poorly?

[nicksaviking]

******Moderator Note******

The other Bauer thread was locked, this one will be too if the posts don't stay on topic. Those posters that don't want Bauer have valid and clearly justifiable reasons,. If you want to stump for the Twins signing Bauer, do not do so by attacking, judging or accusing those posters, casting aspersions on victims or promoting boys-will-be-boys behaviors. Stump for him with his baseball stats, or don't do it at all.

[Vanimal46]

All we need to know. Good. 

[minman1982]

There is no deal that is worth bringing a guy like this on.  I would rather watch the Twins lose 120 games in 2023 than have Bauer on the team.

[h2oface]

5 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

******Moderator Note******

The other Bauer thread was locked, this one will be too if the posts don't stay on topic. Those posters that don't want Bauer have valid and clearly justifiable reasons,. If you want to stump for the Twins signing Bauer, do not do so by attacking, judging or accusing those posters, casting aspersions on victims or promoting boys-will-be-boys behaviors. Stump for him with his baseball stats, or don't do it at all.

Bauer becomes a thread were name calling and suppositions are allowed outside of commenting policy, it seems, and brings out hate. Opinions laced with disparaging name calling, especially when directed at the subject. Hard to separate the two. 
 

No way can the Twins go down that road, even with Correa, complete with his scandal history and baggage, as a long term clubhouse leader. I don’t see that any team can. 

[h2oface]

10 hours ago, August J Gloop said:

Sure if we want to play that game we also need to acknowledge the 'female judge's'** track record of publishing papers suggesting the real problem with abuse are the victim advocates. Or her history of reuniting children with their abusive fathers even after they fled. In fact the entire basis of her decision to not award the restraining order seemed to be was that once consent is granted, it couldn't be taken away. Including when she had been rendered unconcious. 

That judge is Dianna Gould-Saltman

https://ballotpedia.org/Dianna_Gould-Saltman

As you can see she has not faced a general election in over 13 years. 

Her 'thoughts' about victim advocacy and therapists: 

https://www.lyngreenbergphd.com/2022/Division_43_Handouts/7. Gould-Saltman, 2021.pdf   

Here she is advocating a 14 year old be forced to visit her father

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-my-14-year-old-daughter-say-no-to-her-father-s-57328.html#!

Here is a twitter account mentioning a decicison of hers this winter: 

https://twitter.com/unmaskthenarc/status/1606878880471683072

All in all this judge isn't much concerned about putting women in harms way around men. Bauer's representation did good to get the restraining order decision in front of this judge. They knew the DA was the kind of weasel who wold use the dismissal of it as a way to avoid trying to prosecute a high profile case that would 100% end up at appeal. 

**It's always a bad look when one tries to defend the patriarchy by pointing out that a woman in moderate power acted to protect it. 

 

 

All good info. Thank you. Certainly an assumption to attach defending patriarchy to stating facts about acquittal and its proper use. Your prerogative. You certainly don’t know me. But it appears we are in agreement that the Twins will be passing on Bauer. 

[joefish]

12 hours ago, Craig Arko said:

And if there have already been multiple second chances, all ending rather poorly?

I would not touch him. Really. My post was quoting lyrics from a song. 

[Twodogs]

On 1/11/2023 at 3:08 AM, Kummel said:

https://dodgersway.com/posts/dodgers-reportedly-may-have-savior-on-trevor-bauer-trade-front-twins-01gpewt0jcev

 

Don't know if this is true, hope it is NOT.  The Dodgers did the right thing, Bauer is a toxic and repellent person, accused by multiple women of sadistic sexual violence.   I would be disgusted if the Twins get involved with this.

I mean why wouldn't it be true that they contacted them? I don't see how that gets made up.

[cballhitball]

Are we all looking at a guy who does not deserve a second chance?  If Bauer can still be an effective pitcher then I would think a team could create a contract with a tight leash around his conduct.  Currently, according to Spotrac,  Bauer is the top available free agent on the market....maybe not the Twins but someone will take him.