Lol Francona bunting

Not a bad start by Berrios today, considering all the gnashing of teeth and beating of breast.

Yes , not bad, expect better from an “ace”, still in line to lose to a rookie with three major league starts

 

I don't think there's much argument that Clevinger and Bieber are better pitchers than Berrios right now, but I think a good argument can be made that Plesac and this Cyvale guy are pitching better than Berrios currently. Plus Cleveland has Kluber. Cleveland has scary depth with their pitching. 

 

I agree that Cleveland has scary depth with their pitching. 

 

However:

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Clevinger?

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Bieber?

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Plesac?

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Civale?

 

Would Cleveland make any of these proposed trades. I think they make all 4 deals. 

 

Yes , not bad, expect better from an “ace”, still in line to lose to a rookie with three major league starts

But he’s not an ace to you, so I would expect you to be complementary rather than “expecting better” from him.

I agree that Cleveland has scary depth with their pitching.

 

However:

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Clevinger?

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Bieber?

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Plesac?

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Civale?

 

Would Cleveland make any of these proposed trades. I think they make all 4 deals.

yeah , I doubt that’s true

 

I agree that Cleveland has scary depth with their pitching. 

 

However:

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Clevinger?

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Bieber?

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Plesac?

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Civale?

 

Would Cleveland make any of these proposed trades. I think they make all 4 deals. 

 

Oh I would absolutely trade Berrios straight up for Clevinger or Bieber. Not a question in my mind.

Edited August 11, 20197 yr by MNT1996

 

But he’s not an ace to you, so I would expect you to be complementary rather than “expecting better” from him.

 

Given the amount of negativity heaped by this individual on this thread, a 7-inning shutout wouldn't have been good enough.

Moderator note -- let's not squabble among ourselves. 

Was glad to see em walk Lindor, worked

 

yeah , not really even an argument , for years the Twins have played down the importance of a high quality pitching staff. If they make the playoffs it is obvious that they don’t have the pitching required to compete in playoff baseball.

I'm not sure if "played down" is the right term... more like "completely and totally failed to develop starting pitchers". Over the past 10 years, only Berrios and Gibson have developed into legitimate starting pitchers,and since the Twins have rarely tried to trade for starters, they've mostly relied on mid-tier free agent starters.

 

 

 

However:

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Clevinger?

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Bieber?

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Plesac?

Would you trade Berrios straight up for Civale?

 

Would Cleveland make any of these proposed trades. I think they make all 4 deals.

Clevinger and Bieber would be debatable, but Cleveland would do the Plesac and Civale trades in a heartbeat.

But he’s not an ace to you, so I would expect you to be complementary rather than “expecting better” from him.

you constantly try to twist my words to prove me a fool. I don’t really appreciate that, it’s a silly game, the Twins consider Berrios an ace , I think he is overrated by them

Can we get a 12-pack of milk of magnesia delivered to the Twins dugout?  WE NEED RUNS!!!

 

Moderator note -- let's not squabble among ourselves. 

Not the N.F.L. Here

Let's try this one

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/42000000/Batman-Gif-Image-1966-whatsupbugs-42099410-498-266.gif

 

you constantly try to twist my words to prove me a fool. I don’t really appreciate that, it’s a silly game, the Twins consider Berrios an ace , I think he is overrated by them

This is my last warning about squabbling, and I don't care who started it.

Let's try this one

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/42000000/Batman-Gif-Image-1966-whatsupbugs-42099410-498-266.gif

Going with the nun gif? Leadoff walk—so far, so good!

 

Oh I would absolutely trade Berrios straight up for Clevinger or Bieber. Not a question in my mind.

 

I'll give you Clevinger. Same amount of service time but he is 3 years older at age 28. 

 

Bieber is pitching well this year and that is only one year. I think Cleveland makes this deal. 

 

But at least we've moved off of 4 Cleveland pitchers. 

The point of game threads is to provide a friendly place to discuss the game and anything else. Squabbling among ourselves detracts from that. Win or lose, let's try to keep this fun and don't pull down the thread with personal squabbles.

Here we go, offense, this could be our last chance to seize control of this game. Let's get at least 2 runs!

Cron's due here, seems like its been awhile since he got a big hit (being on the IL probably didn't help).

ARRAEZ!!!!!!!

Arraez!

That was pathetic Crom!

That's tough, missing some pitches right over the middle.  

First pitch to Schoop should have landed in the LF bleachers

Pathetic part II Marwin!

anyone have hope in Schoop ? 

Gonzalez and schoop, the absolute black hole of clutchness.

Schoop is beyond useless

anyone have hope in Schoop ?

I can’t give an honest answer to that