Oh, I don't know, maybe being a 19-game winner? Why shouldn't a pitcher strive to win 20-25 games or have 200-225 K's? That's called being a shutdown pitcher and being the ace of the staff. You're setting goals to be one of the best pitchers your team sends out there every 5 days.

 

I wanted to see how you backed up your assertion before I cemented my opinion of the original post. Your explanation did nothing to change it.

wasnt trying to change anyone’s opinion, but as long as we’re on the subject, my opinion stands also

Bats, please

Welp, I guess this only works when Riverbrian does it...

Verlander knocked around today, too.

Nice to see the shift work for once. Keep me honest on my dislike for the tactic.

Oh, I don't know, maybe being a 19-game winner? Why shouldn't a pitcher strive to win 20-25 games or have 200-225 K's? That's called being a shutdown pitcher and being the ace of the staff. You're setting goals to be one of the best pitchers your team sends out there every 5 days.

 

I wanted to see how you backed up your assertion before I cemented my opinion of the original post. Your explanation did nothing to change it.

compelling argument I guess, although nothing that you said describes Berrios in any way shape or form

Two nice innings in a row by Berrios. Now for some offense!

Lineup preferences aside, I always like seeing Arraez leading off an inning when the Twins are down. Even if he makes an out, he has fun, competitive ABs so frequently.

 

compelling argument I guess, although nothing that you said describes Berrios in any way shape or form

 

His physical maturity hasn't caught up to his youthful enthusiasm yet.  There's nothing wrong with saying it.  I'm sure if you polled the entire starting staff, they'd all strive to be 20-win, 200-strikeout pitchers.  I mean, what's he supposed to say -- I want to be 14-10 and a 4.50 ERA with a K/BB ratio of 1.5-1?

So far, pitching and defense holding up. But hits are few and far between.

 

he makes it about him, what’s his attitude now that 20 wins is out of reach

 

This is a good example of an unwarranted assumption. 

Nice to know there are a couple minor league free agents coming to save the season. 

 

 

Nice to know there are a couple minor league free agents coming to save the season. 

Who is saying that?

Schoop is totally useless at this point. Total rally killer every single time.

Secret of Civale’s success today?

 

They probably didn’t give him the Twins scouting report; they sent him out there ignorant.

MISSED CALL ON MAX THERE, DONT HELP

Ummmmm, that's not reviewable?  And if it is, why didn't we challenge??  And if it's not, WTF not??

 

Who is saying that?

Wasn't real serious, Bremer on the tv broadcast was talking up a couple minor league veterans and comparing the guy they got from Seattle to the Royals Dyson I think during their World Series runs.

Good inning Jose, now loosen up your collars boys and start hitting this bum quick, Cause Francona will pull him soon

 

Who is saying that?

Bremer on tv

LET'S GO BATS!!!!

Umpire has screwed Max twice this game

 

LET'S GO BATS!!!!

 

LET'S GO BATS!!!!

Cleveland has arguably 4 starters better than our ace

 

Cleveland has arguably 4 starters better than our ace

 

You are correct

 

When you say arguably. 

Did buxton and Cruz mean this much to this offense? What a dreadful performance

I don't think there's much argument that Clevinger and Bieber are better pitchers than Berrios right now, but I think a good argument can be made that Plesac and this Cyvale guy are pitching better than Berrios currently. Plus Cleveland has Kluber. Cleveland has scary depth with their pitching. 

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Cleveland has arguably 4 starters better than our ace

yeah , not really even an argument , for years the Twins have played down the importance of a high quality pitching staff. If they make the playoffs it is obvious that they don’t have the pitching required to compete in playoff baseball.

Three starts for Civale in his career, all dominant. They just keep churning these guys out.  

 

Did buxton and Cruz mean this much to this offense? What a dreadful performance

I think that they meant a lot, especially Cruz. And Buxton's speed and defense are elite.

 

That said, other players need to step up.

Not a bad start by Berrios today, considering all the gnashing of teeth and beating of breast.