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There is a lot of luck involved in this. The one year that the Yanks are actually in a position to sell just happens to be the year when everyone is willing to pay a crazy amount on relief pitching (thanks Royals) AND when the Yankees just happened to have two of the best relief pitchers. Now some of this is by design, and Cashman deserves credit for executing. But if this was an offseason when everyone was paying top-dollar for starting pitching, the Yanks wouldn't have much to offer.

Maybe, but the Yankees have kinda been at the forefront of the relief pitcher explosion.  They gave Miller a big contract with a limited track record.  Then they traded for Chapman when he seemed like a toxic asset.

 

I guess they're really just "lucky" that they have lost a few games to put them out of the race this year, but even then they probably deserve some credit for pulling the plug around 4-5 games out of the wild card.

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Or when the other team doesn't give up what you want.  I'd rather see Santana as a Twin at the end of the day rather than a sub-par package for him.

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The Twins do have the advantage of not needing to trade him.  He's a good player - already worth 2 WAR this season - on a decent contract.  He shouldn't be a salary dump.  If they can't get a better p

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Per Jon Heyman, Twins sending Abad to Red Sox.  

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Money is a big advantage.

 

It is, no doubt. I don't see a reason the Twins can't afford to do some of the same if they allocated resources better, and were willing to pull the trigger when opportunity arises. But it's unreasonable to stockpile the number of big FAs that the Yankees are capable of acquiring.

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It is, no doubt. I don't see a reason the Twins can't afford to do some of the same if they allocated resources better, and were willing to pull the trigger when opportunity arises. But it's unreasonable to stockpile the number of big FAs that the Yankees are capable of acquiring.

Agree completely.  For most teams, it's about efficiently spending the money.  By efficient, I mean spending on the correct players at the correct positions at the correct times.  This team has generally struck out on those three points over and over again.  It's not how much they spend, it's been where, how, and when.

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Just a bit of speculation, but perhaps we haven't had confirmation of Jeremy's Santana trade because more than ?$3 million? is changing hands, and the trade has to be approved by MLB (and they have to figure out the conversion rate  :) ).

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So they took advantage of their resources, and didn't keep them around "to be competitive this year/next year"? Isn't that what a smart team does? Some teams trade their players, and get better, some do not......for some reason.

I think you misunderstood my point. Yes, what Cashman did was very smart. But some of it was a product of circumstances outside his control. Chapman and Miller stayed healthy. Beltran is having his best season since 2011. If the Yankees had won 3 more games this year and are in the thick of the wildcard race, they probably don't trade as many players. If relievers weren't so highly valued this year then maybe they only get 2/3 of the prospects that the were able to get this year. It was a perfect storm that he definitely has taken advantage of.

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Lucroy is holding up the catching market; Norris hasn't gone any where (right?); McCann is said to be available as well.   If Suzuki doesn't get traded it's probably because other teams are engaged with other options, not because of Twins FO ineptitude.  That said, Suzuki could probably be traded in August either to the claiming team or if he passes all the way through.  

 

Still it will be disappointing not to finally trade Suzuki, now that he has some kind of value...

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With the kind of returns we're seeing for relief pitchers, I wouldn't have minded throwing out May in the market to see what kind of return he'd get. 

Interesting thought.  Feeling out the market wouldn't hurt.  Nobody says a deal would have to be made.

 

I still stubbornly consider him a starter in my head though.

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Lucroy is holding up the catching market; Norris hasn't gone any where (right?); McCann is said to be available.   If Suzuki doesn't get traded it's probably because other teams are engaged with other options, not because of Twins FO ineptitude.  That said, Suzuki could probably be traded in August either to the claiming team or if he passes all the way through.  

 

Still it will be disappointing not to finally trade Suzuki, now that he has some kind of value...

Yeah, I don't think a failure to move Suzuki at this point suggests ineptitude, not like it did back in 2014.  Although I think there is a window to get something done -- Milwaukee is apparently asking for a lot on Lucroy, Norris is having a poor season, and McCann will be out of many team's financial range even if the Yankees eat some cash.

 

I think they might be holding back a Suzuki trade because of our lack of viable alternatives at the position, which is defensible but merely shifts the front office ineptitude to a different area...

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I don't buy the "catcher trade market waiting on Lucroy" at all.  Who gives a bleep what the market for Suzuki is, he's meaningless for the next 2 months, send him to Cleveland for their 12th best prospect and call it a day.  

I'm not totally sure they have 12 prospects anymore. All Yankees now. 

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I don't buy the "catcher trade market waiting on Lucroy" at all.  Who gives a bleep what the market for Suzuki is, he's meaningless for the next 2 months, send him to Cleveland for their 12th best prospect and call it a day.  

I agree, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Twins are thinking of exercising their option on Suzuki for 2017 if they don't get something decent this year. For whatever reason, it seems the current staff is higher on him than most of us. 

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Do you think a. there was anything to the Theo "chaos theory," and if so, b. did it work?

Well it looks like the Chaos Theory of Theo (at least in RP market) worked as he sized up the market ahead of the deadline, drew a line in the sand and worked it to his advantage.  Yes, giving up #30-40 prospect in Torres sucked but after seeing what Miller cost the Indians, Abad cost the BoSox, and Smith cost the Giants, it was well worth it.

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