What possible good could come from any association with Trevor Bauer by a public entity such as the Twins. Bauer will have years and many potential opportunities outside of baseball to resolve the difficulties of his current life. We can all hope that Bauer puts his intellect toward some good and manages to live a productive life. His professional baseball career is over.

Not only do I not want him. I do not think he will ever be as good as he was.  I always felt he was a bit overrated.

He was great not that long ago, but the guy is a headcase. What would that do to the clubhouse? I have no idea how he is a teammate.

I know that not all ballplayers are choir boys and if you insist on everyone being morally perfect you wouldn't have a team, but you also need to have some sort of line. And if Bauer ain't your line, I shudder to think what someone has to do to cross whatever line you have.

From the outside looking in I'm not sure if Trevor Bauer can be restored. However, the Twins are an embarrassment in the playoffs and I don't believe we have won a playoff game in the last 21 years. Think on that for a second. Correct me if I'm wrong but was not 2002 the last time we won vs Oakland? Why? We don't have frontline starters that can compete. If you look under the surface and the details are really bad I would consider this idea. But if the guy got the proper counseling and could be restored it is an interesting idea. He is only 31 and from a baseball only perspective can be elite at times. Again, I'm on the outside looking in so pitching this without knowledge. But when you have gone two plus decades without winning a game that matters we need to try something.

Meant is thinks really bad ......Would Not.....sorry.

Meant if thinks really bad .... Would Not..... Need coffee. 

Bauer wouldn't be a great clubhouse guy but neither was Morris & he was key for us to win the '91 WS. Bauer wasn't charged by the court, Most of the Dodgers clubhouse & fans want him back. Dodgers FO don't want him.

Bauer at $270M is a bargain. What are the odds for the Twins to land him off waivers? IDK? LAD don't want any of their competitors to have him so LAD would prefer an AL Central Division team like the Twins to end up with him. So our best bet is to trade for him because LAD will find someone who'll be interested in him, why not the Twins. We have the Dodgers pay the $22MM & we pay the $270M & a lotto ticket.

Bauer borders on crazy, can Twins fix him? Maybe, but I doubt it. Could the Twins convince him to play it cool, would be in his best behalf? I'd like to think so. Bauer would be a front -line pitcher on the cheap that we desperately need. I'd like the Twins to give him a chance to prove himself if he can't, trade him or release him we're only out $270M

No. No. No. A thousand times NO. And this is from someone who wanted Bauer before he signed with the Dodgers. When he threw the ball over the CF fence from the pitching area I saw competitive fire (that also got him fired out of Cleveland).

But pair that with allegedly choking his bedmate unconscious and beating her in the head (which publicly he denied, but in a recorded phone conversation with the victim, his answer to 'do you even know how many times you hit me in the head?' was 'I don't think it was that many times'), and you have a person who SHOULD NEVER WEAR A TWINS UNIFORM.

Employing an allegedly unrepentant serial domestic abuser to win a playoff game is about as sad a loss of perspective as I can imagine. No matter how passionate we are about this game, in the end it is just a game.

3 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Bauer wouldn't be a great clubhouse guy but neither was Morris & he was key for us to win the '91 WS. Bauer wasn't charged by the court, Most of the Dodgers clubhouse & fans want him back. Dodgers FO don't want him.

Bauer at $270M is a bargain. What are the odds for the Twins to land him off waivers? IDK? LAD don't want any of their competitors to have him so LAD would prefer an AL Central Division team like the Twins to end up with him. So our best bet is to trade for him because LAD will find someone who'll be interested in him, why not the Twins. We have the Dodgers pay the $22MM & we pay the $270M & a lotto ticket.

Bauer borders on crazy, can Twins fix him? Maybe, but I doubt it. Could the Twins convince him to play it cool, would be in his best behalf? I'd like to think so. Bauer would be a front -line pitcher on the cheap that we desperately need. I'd like the Twins to give him a chance to prove himself if he can't, trade him or release him we're only out $270M

True, but if the FO were to wait until the 7 days had passed, they would only be on the hook for the MLB minimum of $720K. 

6 hours ago, JDubs said:

I know that not all ballplayers are choir boys and if you insist on everyone being morally perfect you wouldn't have a team, but you also need to have some sort of line. And if Bauer ain't your line, I shudder to think what someone has to do to cross whatever line you have.

Fair. But what about Marcel Ozuna? He was caught by police literally punching his wife in her face and only received an 80 game suspension and is still in the league playing. 

46 minutes ago, MN_ExPat said:

True, but if the FO were to wait until the 7 days had passed, they would only be on the hook for the MLB minimum of $720K. 

Like I said if we wait until the 7 days had past, IMO Dodgers will find a trade partner before. If no one wants him in trade, what are our chances to receive him via waivers? I don't, do you? And thank you for correcting me, I meant $720K. 

53 minutes ago, MN_ExPat said:

Fair. But what about Marcel Ozuna? He was caught by police literally punching his wife in her face and only received an 80 game suspension and is still in the league playing. 

Bauer was not convicted by the court. I think Manfred wanted to punish him for putting him in a bind.

30 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

Like I said if we wait until the 7 days had past, IMO Dodgers will find a trade partner before. If no one wants him in trade, what are our chances to receive him via waivers? I don't, do you? And thank you for correcting me, I meant $720K. 

You two should google Mitchell Miller Cam Neely Boston Bruins. IMO the Dodgers won't find a trade partner, but if they do, the suckers... er... front office that acquires Bauer will be lucky if they cut him loose fast enough to keep their jobs. Bauer is already going to get paid $20 million next season. If he really wants to resurrect his career, he should get some help, so that a future employer can plausibly claim he's on a healthy path.

Right now he's a rusting canister of toxic PR waste ready to damage the reputation and job security of anyone who signs him.

I think there is significantly more negative attention possible than anything possibly positive from this signing. I would avoid Bauer and look to go a different route. 

There are reports he isn't a great clubhouse guy along with the negative press that comes with this type of move. 

Hard pass for me. 

18 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Bauer was not convicted by the court. I think Manfred wanted to punish him for putting him in a bind.

There is a difference between breaking a law, and breaking a corporate rule. Businesses can impose discipline measures as they see fit (as long as those measures or rules don’t break laws). Bauer broke an MLB code of conduct rule that the union ratified (and he agreed to follow) and got punished for it. The code of conduct rules are precisely for protecting the MLB brand. The punishment was decided by independent arbitrators (one MLB rep, one player rep, and one independent rep). While we don’t know what goes on behind closed doors, if Manfred had imposed sway in the ruling, I’d think it would be hard to hide and the players association would impose swift, decisive, and public, pain on the MLB.

2 hours ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

There is a difference between breaking a law, and breaking a corporate rule. Businesses can impose discipline measures as they see fit (as long as those measures or rules don’t break laws). Bauer broke an MLB code of conduct rule that the union ratified (and he agreed to follow) and got punished for it. The code of conduct rules are precisely for protecting the MLB brand. The punishment was decided by independent arbitrators (one MLB rep, one player rep, and one independent rep). While we don’t know what goes on behind closed doors, if Manfred had imposed sway in the ruling, I’d think it would be hard to hide and the players association would impose swift, decisive, and public, pain on the MLB.

Domestic Violence is a crime, those who are convicted are punished by the law. MLB (owners & union) rightfully decided to disapproved of these actions and suspend those who are convicted. Bauer has denied these accusations & the courts hasn't found enough proof to convict him. Under these pretense MLB had no right to suspend Bauer on Domestic Violence if he wasn't convicted. MLB cannot suspend him on hearsay but they did. If they they found any evidence that the police detectives had missed, the court'd have reopen the case and convicted him.

Manfred has a lot of leverage and the union is weak. Where the union has to pick & choose their battles. Evidently Bauer wasn't worth the battle. Manfred has made a lot of decisions w/o hearing anything from the union. Manfred seems to get away with a lot of s**t w/o any blow back.

I couldn't find any arbitrators involved except the independent one that was just brought in & abruptly ended his suspension. 

22 hours ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

There is a difference between breaking a law, and breaking a corporate rule. Businesses can impose discipline measures as they see fit (as long as those measures or rules don’t break laws). Bauer broke an MLB code of conduct rule that the union ratified (and he agreed to follow) and got punished for it. The code of conduct rules are precisely for protecting the MLB brand. The punishment was decided by independent arbitrators (one MLB rep, one player rep, and one independent rep). While we don’t know what goes on behind closed doors, if Manfred had imposed sway in the ruling, I’d think it would be hard to hide and the players association would impose swift, decisive, and public, pain on the MLB.

20 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Domestic Violence is a crime, those who are convicted are punished by the law. MLB (owners & union) rightfully decided to disapproved of these actions and suspend those who are convicted. Bauer has denied these accusations & the courts hasn't found enough proof to convict him. Under these pretense MLB had no right to suspend Bauer on Domestic Violence if he wasn't convicted. MLB cannot suspend him on hearsay but they did. If they they found any evidence that the police detectives had missed, the court'd have reopen the case and convicted him.

Manfred has a lot of leverage and the union is weak. Where the union has to pick & choose their battles. Evidently Bauer wasn't worth the battle. Manfred has made a lot of decisions w/o hearing anything from the union. Manfred seems to get away with a lot of s**t w/o any blow back.

I couldn't find any arbitrators involved except the independent one that was just brought in & abruptly ended his suspension. 

The League Offices (AKA Manfred) handed out the original suspension that came out to almost 3 years.  The arbitrator panel  voted that was excessive and knocked it down to under 200 games and since he had already served that suspension, and then some, he was immediately ordered reinstated to the league.

Bauer was and has been one of Manfred's biggest/harshest critiques throughout his tenure,  While it doesn't excuse what he had been accused of, the punishment handed out didn't match what other players have received either (I.E. Ozuna from St. Louis who, even though he wasn't convicted, was actually caught by police physically beating his wife - 80 + games).

While it probably can't be proven outright, Manfred does have a reputation for going after people who are vocal against him and the League (see also the very respected MLB reporter who was canned by the league after calling him out on multiple occasions).

On 1/7/2023 at 11:02 AM, JDubs said:

I know that not all ballplayers are choir boys and if you insist on everyone being morally perfect you wouldn't have a team, but you also need to have some sort of line. And if Bauer ain't your line, I shudder to think what someone has to do to cross whatever line you have.

This is true.  Bear in mind, I'm not campaigning for the Twins to rush out and sign him after he clears waivers.

If I was Twins King for a Day, would I at least kick the tires on the idea of bringing someone of his "talent" into the fold?  Maybe, maybe not.  The team would have to take A LOT of steps to make sure it would be a good decision first.  

The reasons being why it could be at least considered...

• He was not charged with a crime or indicted in a court of law
• LA/California court system found no evidence to continue the alleged victim's request for a restraining order
• He has already served the longest suspension in league history

Again, I'm not saying they should sign him, or even that it is a good idea from a PR standpoint.  But everyone deserves a second chance at some point. 

2 hours ago, MN_ExPat said:

 But everyone deserves a second chance at some point. 

Miss me with the bs about not being charged -- only a small fraction of people who commit sexual assault ever get convicted. This is like saying Pol Pot was never convicted in a court of law, so how are we to say if he was bad or not?

But the second chances bit is also incredibly weak, because second chances are for people who a) apologize and b) grow or change. Bauer has not come close to doing either, and instead has continued to double down on all the stuff he was doing before when everyone thought he was just a regular jackass and not also a sexual predator. To repeat myself, there's got to be a line somewhere, and if "unrepentant rapist" ain't the line, then you probably just don't have a line.

52 minutes ago, JDubs said:

Miss me with the bs about not being charged -- only a small fraction of people who commit sexual assault ever get convicted. This is like saying Pol Pot was never convicted in a court of law, so how are we to say if he was bad or not?

But the second chances bit is also incredibly weak, because second chances are for people who a) apologize and b) grow or change. Bauer has not come close to doing either, and instead has continued to double down on all the stuff he was doing before when everyone thought he was just a regular jackass and not also a sexual predator. To repeat myself, there's got to be a line somewhere, and if "unrepentant rapist" ain't the line, then you probably just don't have a line.

I think you are misunderstanding me here somewhat. 

I may not have overtly said it here (but I did say it on the story on the main page), but I agree with you... a person has to show at least some remorse for their actions to "deserve" a second chance in my mind.  Bauer has apparently shown little of that.  However, a genocidal mass murderer on a generational scale comparison is simply a stretch to far.

Yes, there needs to be a "line" that we hold people to.  I couldn't agree with you more, and in my profession I think I understand that better than most.  So let's please try to avoid the appearance of personal attacks and projections due to what I am perceiving as your misunderstanding of a post.

On 1/8/2023 at 2:56 PM, Doctor Gast said:

Domestic Violence is a crime, those who are convicted are punished by the law. MLB (owners & union) rightfully decided to disapproved of these actions and suspend those who are convicted. Bauer has denied these accusations & the courts hasn't found enough proof to convict him. Under these pretense MLB had no right to suspend Bauer on Domestic Violence if he wasn't convicted. MLB cannot suspend him on hearsay but they did. If they they found any evidence that the police detectives had missed, the court'd have reopen the case and convicted him.

Manfred has a lot of leverage and the union is weak. Where the union has to pick & choose their battles. Evidently Bauer wasn't worth the battle. Manfred has made a lot of decisions w/o hearing anything from the union. Manfred seems to get away with a lot of s**t w/o any blow back.

I couldn't find any arbitrators involved except the independent one that was just brought in & abruptly ended his suspension. 

Domestic violence is a crime. What the criminal courts, civil courts, and what the MLB does are all independent of each other.

1 minute ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

Domestic violence is a crime. What the criminal courts, civil courts, and what the MLB does are all independent of each other.

I have no doubt about that.

No.