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The Joey Gallo signing makes sense, actually


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Go ahead, give me your hokey analytics about "Joey Gallo only hits .200," "There are now 5 lefty corner outfielders on this team," and "Joey Gallo has the highest K rate of all time." Well guess what nerds, I care about the stallion in the Italian, not what his "box score" may look like.

Jokes aside, although not a world-moving acquisition, I think that it makes some sense, though it broke at an unfortunate time--two days after Correa signed with San Francisco and one day after Carlos Rodón signed with New York. Certainly, if the Twins' biggest signing this offseason is Joey Gallo, fans have reason to be upset. I do follow the offseason move-to-move and react to each move, but I am not one to put the label OFFSEASON FAILED on a team until the season begins and the Opening Day roster is finalized.

First, though, let's cover the negatives. Gallo had a horrendous season last year, with a slash line of .160/.280/.357. If he performs like that again in 2023, he will likely be out of the league. He strikes out way too much and has a laughably low batting average, and that can only be expected to continue without an approach change. Players' bat-to-ball skills do not improve with age, and Gallo will enter 2023 as a 29-year-old. Furthermore, Gallo enters a crowded space of left-handed corner outfielders alongside Max Kepler, Alex Kirilloff, Trevor Larnach, Nick Gordon, and Matt Wallner. Of all the player types the Twins could have pursued, they got a guy who plays at their arguably deepest position.

With those strikes against him, why don't I mind the signing? There are a few reasons:

The corner depth is hypothetical

Yes, there is a glut of corner outfield depth on this roster, and they are all lefties (with the exception of Gilberto Celestino, who is a corner guy in name only, given his poor stick). However, let's go through those options. Even before the Gallo signing, Kepler was going to be moved. Even if he didn't already have one foot out the door, it's debatable that Kepler would be better than Gallo. Both have high floors, given their defensive ability, but Kepler, outside of 2019, has not shown the chops to be anything better than a league average hitter. Gallo, on the other hand, has shown the ability to hit at an all-star level as recently as 2021.

After Kepler, the top two guys are Kirilloff and Larnach, neither of which have proven much of anything between 2021 and 2022. Both have shown flashes of potential to be high-level hitters, and I still believe in them, but both have also been bogged down by significant injuries. Gordon was on the shortlist to be DFAed during the 2022 season prior to his development as a top hitter in the depleted Twins lineup in 2022, but his performance was bolstered by a high BAPIP and he is more suited as a utility player than an everyday left fielder or the strong side of a platoon. Wallner impressed last season at both AA and AAA and had a solid run after his late season callup, but that's all the major league experience that he has.

Between the four of them, they have 1,584 MLB plate appearances combined, the equivalent of about three seasons as an everyday player. If the Twins started the season without Kepler or another corner outfield acquisition, they would start with Kirilloff in left and Larnach in right, and if either of them got injured, which is likely given their history, Gordon would be pushed into an everyday role, and Wallner would probably be up as a fourth outfielder. I think that they can all ball, but that's a thin group to enter the season with.

I do believe that there is another righty bat coming the Twins way (Jurickson Profar is the guy I want to see now), and I can be convinced that it's not the end of the world for either Larnach or Kirilloff to start the season in AAA, given that neither is a sure thing.

Joey Gallo can reasonably become Joey Gallo again

In terms of buy-low hitters, Gallo probably has the highest ceiling outside of Cody Bellinger and his 17.5MM contract with a 12MM mutant option for 2024. When Gallo is playing at the form he's capable of, he can get on-base 35% of the time despite his astronomical strikeout rate and low batting average because of his astronomical walk rate (13% for his career). He can bop 30+ homers, with two 40 home run seasons to his name. He can play Gold Glove defense in right field.

Obviously, there's a lot of ifs in this conversation, but it's better to take a shot at a guy like Gallo than to fill a spot with a low-ceiling Trey Mancini, AJ Pollack, or Adam Frazier type of player for the same money. If you're going to give out a one-year contract to a veteran, give it to someone who is one year removed from an All Star season and is still under 30.

If the Twins and Gallo are fortunate and he makes good on his prove-it deal, he will likely be up for a big payday prior to the 2024 season. The Twins would love to watch him go. It would mean that he turned in a good year for the team, helping them contend for an AL Central title. However, there is an added bonus that only schmucks like me care about. Because he performed poorly in his final arbitration year (and was traded in-season), he did not receive a qualifying offer and is eligible for one in 2024. If he puts up a Gallo-esque season with a 125 OPS+, 35 homers, and great right field defense, he would likely decline the offer, giving the Twins an extra draft pick for 2024. I for one would like to see that happen.

Positional flexibility

Gallo is a great right fielder, due to his solid range and great arm. He also has experience at all three outfield positions, first base, and third base. I don't see Gallo ever returning to the hot corner.

 

 

However, we all know that the Twins love themselves some position flexibility. The only alignment that would make sense to put Gallo at first base would be three of Byron Buxton, Gordon, Larnach, and Celestino being in the game alongside Gallo, as they would likely prefer Kirilloff and Wallner at first over him. Still, the option is there.

More importantly is his ability to fill in in centerfield. He has not played there much since 2019, partially due to the personnel of the teams he was on. He didn't look bad in his work in center, though it has been 4 years since he had significant time out there. That being said, he would provide an extra layer of security for centerfield, which is important given Buxton's injury history.

Is he a long-term replacement candidate if Buxton misses extended time with injury? Probably not, but I would bet that he will end up playing more centerfield this year than Max Kepler, another top defensive right fielder with the ability to play center, did last year (9 innings across 3 games). I wrote about the importance of having a third centerfielder and keeping Celestino down in AAA for the sake of the team and the player a couple weeks ago. Gallo fits the bill there.

It's only 11 million for one year

The cat was out of the bag by the time Gallo signed: the Twins do not plan on devoting 25MM+ to any one player this offseason. With 50MM to spend to reach last year's payroll, it's not a terrible use of 11MM. If he hits .160 through May and Wallner is killing it at AAA, I don't think the Twins will sweat the lost pay. He can easily be cut at that level.

All of this is incumbent on him hitting at least .200, but that's a given.

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Honestly if this is the best this front office can do, (which is a total strikeout), they should all be fired.  Falvey and Levine GONE. 

I'm sorry but completely unacceptable.  I understand why they didn't sign Correa because what the Giants did was insanely stupid (amount and length of contract).  I agree 100% with Russo on that. 

But the fact that they haven't done ANYTHING besides dumpster dive moves so far this offseason is a complete utter fail in my book, no ifs ands or butts.  They have way too much payroll flexibility for this nonsense.  Either that or they should have finally committed to a full rebuild at the end of last season.  I mean the Twins had to have known that Correa was going to screw them over and opt out.  I mean the guy is a known cheater with an iffy personality, despite all the hype.  Now they got nothing for Correa when they could have at least traded him for prospects at the deadline. 

This front office doesn't know what it's doing, has no vision, is completely apathetic, and has no real interest in moving the needle either way.  At this point i'd rather have Terry Ryan back to be perfectly honest.

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2 hours ago, laloesch said:

Honestly if this is the best this front office can do, (which is a total strikeout), they should all be fired.  Falvey and Levine GONE. 

I'm sorry but completely unacceptable.  I understand why they didn't sign Correa because what the Giants did was insanely stupid (amount and length of contract).  I agree 100% with Russo on that. 

But the fact that they haven't done ANYTHING besides dumpster dive moves so far this offseason is a complete utter fail in my book, no ifs ands or butts.  They have way too much payroll flexibility for this nonsense.  Either that or they should have finally committed to a full rebuild at the end of last season.  I mean the Twins had to have known that Correa was going to screw them over and opt out.  I mean the guy is a known cheater with an iffy personality, despite all the hype.  Now they got nothing for Correa when they could have at least traded him for prospects at the deadline. 

This front office doesn't know what it's doing, has no vision, is completely apathetic, and has no real interest in moving the needle either way.  At this point i'd rather have Terry Ryan back to be perfectly honest.

I agreed with the gist of your comments until you mentioned preferring Terry Ryan back. Terry Ryan Part II was an unmitigated disaster. SO too have Falvey and Levine been for over 2 years. They still have a chance to redeem themselves before spring training.

Do I have confidence in them? Largely no but partially yes since they did sign, Cruz, Schoop and C.J. Cron for the 2019 season. Since then, they’ve essentially torn down that 101 team to 2 consecutive seasons of losing records. So, my confidence in them is low but I’m open to changing my mind if they make a brilliant series of trades. Think of the MOs in Twins history:

1) Calvin Griffith took a wrecking ball to the franchise after the advent of free agency. He let a ton of glittering talent walk away in one of, if not, the most painful periods in Twins history.

2) Terry Ryan put together good team with Koskie, Mientkiewicz, etc. but refused to supplement it for playoff success. He also released David Ortiz after a 20 HR season while Ortiz was battling and affected by a bad knee. Worst decision in Twins history next to Calvin trading Rod Carew due to money.

3) Andy McPhail - a genius and responsible for the 2 WS titles.

4) Bill Smith - total and complete disaster

5) Terry Ryan Part II - Disaster filled with lousy trades and apparently not even spending the money he was authorized to. His stock line was always along the lines of "we think we’re all set there or we’re fine" when they clearly weren’t.

6) Falvey and Levine - Poor. Grade of D or D+ for their body of work so far.

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Because Gallo has played CF, doesn't make him a CF. He doesn't profile there so keep him out of there. For me that is a reason not to sign him, to keep the temptation away from management to play him there. His true flexibility is corner OF/1B/DH there we have a overflowing glut throughout the organization because FO has a fetish for big bats.

I believe the shift ban would greater benefit Kepler over Gallo. Because Kepler tried to adjust to the shift by changing his swing to go the other way (which was very unnatural for him) so it's easier for him to get back to his old more natural swing. While the NYY got  Gallo to try to lift everything, which didn't translate into that many HRs but increased his already exuberant SO rate. We can't fix Gallo because MN has the same philosophy as NYY.

In most cases Gallo  hit HRs when his team didn't need them & SO when they did. Gallo will take away playing time from those who need it & probably trade away players who are needed more. FO don't throw away good money just because you failed to sign Correa. Use it wisely & save up to sign KBO's Jeong-Hoo Lee (grandson of the wind) next off season. 

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17 hours ago, Greglw3 said:

I agreed with the gist of your comments until you mentioned preferring Terry Ryan back. Terry Ryan Part II was an unmitigated disaster. SO too have Falvey and Levine been for over 2 years. They still have a chance to redeem themselves before spring training.

Do I have confidence in them? Largely no but partially yes since they did sign, Cruz, Schoop and C.J. Cron for the 2019 season. Since then, they’ve essentially torn down that 101 team to 2 consecutive seasons of losing records. So, my confidence in them is low but I’m open to changing my mind if they make a brilliant series of trades. Think of the MOs in Twins history:

1) Calvin Griffith took a wrecking ball to the franchise after the advent of free agency. He let a ton of glittering talent walk away in one of, if not, the most painful periods in Twins history.

2) Terry Ryan put together good team with Koskie, Mientkiewicz, etc. but refused to supplement it for playoff success. He also released David Ortiz after a 20 HR season while Ortiz was battling and affected by a bad knee. Worst decision in Twins history next to Calvin trading Rod Carew due to money.

3) Andy McPhail - a genius and responsible for the 2 WS titles.

4) Bill Smith - total and complete disaster

5) Terry Ryan Part II - Disaster filled with lousy trades and apparently not even spending the money he was authorized to. His stock line was always along the lines of "we think we’re all set there or we’re fine" when they clearly weren’t.

6) Falvey and Levine - Poor. Grade of D or D+ for their body of work so far.

Terry Ryan made some decent trades and even brought in some decent talent. But you are correct part II was not a good tenure for him.

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Like to share your optimism, and hope Gallo does rebound.  Since he is now with the Twins.  I would have preferred Trey Mancini right-handed bat.  He might have a lower ceiling, but Gallo's floor is lot lower. Biggest thing I don't like about the deal is the timing.  Puts the Twins in weaker position trading Kepler.  Other teams will take advantage of the Twins situation.  They should have traded Kepler before announcing the Gallo signing.  Could not his agent Boras have waited until the Twins moved Kepler?  After he played the Twins with Correa.

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This FO is awful.  They show little direction at all.  Signing Gallo was stupid.  Signing him to 11 million is more than stupid.  He is not needed here.  What a waste of a roster space at least for this Twins team.  He probably would be a better fit with other teams.  He hit around .160 last year and has a lifetime .199 average.  His career clutch hitting is around .156.  his strikeout rate is over 38%.  Just what we need another automatic out in the batting order.  People will cheer when he hits the occasional home run but listen to them boo when most of the time he produces nothing and at an alarming rate.  The boo birds will be out early this year for Gallo and the Twins.

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4 minutes ago, Whitey333 said:

This FO is awful.  They show little direction at all.  Signing Gallo was stupid.  Signing him to 11 million is more than stupid.  He is not needed here.  What a waste of a roster space at least for this Twins team.  He probably would be a better fit with other teams.  He hit around .160 last year and has a lifetime .199 average.  His career clutch hitting is around .156.  his strikeout rate is over 38%.  Just what we need another automatic out in the batting order.  People will cheer when he hits the occasional home run but listen to them boo when most of the time he produces nothing and at an alarming rate.  The boo birds will be out early this year for Gallo and the Twins.

Batting average doesn't indicate the frequency of outs made, on base percentage does. Calling him an automatic out misunderstands how his plate appearances are actually being spent. If you don't like him stylistically, that's valid. But your critique here overstates a flaw that isn't really one.

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Also, there is nothing preventing the Twins from signing a right handed bat. This is routinely a criticism I see here, but people do remember that Kepler and Garlick were both on the roster the last two years? The roster isn't set yet, and they can still add a RH OF and clear any logjam that they create.

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I don't think getting Joey Gallo moves the needle a whole lot but I do think he'll benefit from the new positioning rules and Kepler will not. Why? Because Gallo hits a lot of hard ground balls to his pull side. It's those balls that will become hits. Kepler hits a lot of softer contact to his pull side with soft ground balls and pop ups. Those will not become hits against a team with any sort of infield range. In 2022, Gallo had a hard hit rate of 49.1%, avg. exit velocity of 92.5 mph and barrel percentage of 20.2%.  Kepler was 39.4%, 89.1 mph, and 7.1%.  those rates and percentages have been fairly consistent over the last few years. I could see Gallo's average going up 20-30 points (that's 10-20 hits over 500 ABs) or even more. If he's really a .200 hitter and not the .160 he hit last year that gets him to .220-.230/.355-.365/.475-.485 based on historical performance. I don't think Kepler will get that same kind of benefit because he just doesn't hit the ball hard enough to benefit. Gallo is demonstrably the better hitter and may be as good in the field as Kepler. If the trade off is Kepler replaced by Gallo, that's probably a slight upgrade. 

But the trade off MAY be better than that IF Kepler is traded for a good prospect or as part of a package for a starting pitcher or quality reliever. Signing Gallo allows us to trade Kepler without then having to completely rely on an OF of unproven or injury prone players, most of whom are both. There's really no good way to evaluate the signing of Gallo until that other shoe drops. 

I too wish that the FO had done a better job so far by either signing Correa, Rodon, or Bogaerts. All signed pretty "out there" contracts although we could and should have offered Correa at least $300-320 mil. Still would have lost out on him, though. The off season isn't over yet. It's to soon to know whether it's successful or a complete disaster.    

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Lost some credibility on this one Greggory...

Signing was fine... if was for a minor league deal with 11 mil in incentives... 

As is was a Terrible signing and as I have said.. this one should cost someone their job... incompetent move. 

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Boras sold the FO boys on this move just like he sold them on Correa for a year.  The big difference is Correa was a top free agent and Gallo is not.  It makes perfect sense for Boras and Gallo--if he rebounds even to a decent year, he will enter free agency in a much stronger position and still collect 11 million for his work this year.  If he fails, he still has his 11 million.  IF the Twins wanted to make a move like this, for heaven's sake get an option for a second year just in case he lights it up.  They were used and abused by Boras in this situation.

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I cringe every time I read that so-and-so could be a DH. Sure. EVERYBODY could be a DH. Even the weakest hitter on the team. But why would you do that? Typically a DH  is a player with a good bat, often with some power, but can't crack the lineup because his defense isn't as good as somebody else.  This is not Joey Gallo. He plays because of defense and power potential, and his poor contact has to be tolerated. The twins can't afford such a poor contact hitter in the lineup. The below average pitching that we have requires the offense to be above average. This signing didn't help the offense and that's why I don't like it.

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4 hours ago, randy_moist said:

Batting average doesn't indicate the frequency of outs made, on base percentage does. Calling him an automatic out misunderstands how his plate appearances are actually being spent. If you don't like him stylistically, that's valid. But your critique here overstates a flaw that isn't really one.

With his wonderful walk % last year his OBP was .280……..Batting average matters!!

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1 hour ago, JD-TWINS said:

With his wonderful walk % last year his OBP was .280……..Batting average matters!!

I never said batting average doesn't matter. It's an essential part of OBP. Gallo is at the extremes, no doubts about that. But anway you could look at his career numbers too

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My only question is: Who were the Twins competing with for Joey Gallo? I don't see why it tool $11m to sign a player who should have been had for, at most, a tenth that much. Twins have an analytics department. They should try putting it to use instead of relying on their GM's personal connections to players, which was the case here.

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29 minutes ago, ValleySpringsFan said:

My only question is: Who were the Twins competing with for Joey Gallo? I don't see why it tool $11m to sign a player who should have been had for, at most, a tenth that much. Twins have an analytics department. They should try putting it to use instead of relying on their GM's personal connections to players, which was the case here.

Welcome to Twins Daily!

2 question for you...Which of the following 2 players would you pay more for? And what would you pay each player. Both considered above average to elite outfield defenders.

Stats from 2020-2022
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS, 2Bs, HR, SB, OPS+
Player A: .203/.272/.376/.648, 46, 41, 23, 74
Player B: .183/.319/.409/.728, 29, 67, 11, 101

Stats from 2017-2022
Player A: .248/.332/.487/.819, 134, 152, 62, 117
Player B: .201/.328/.475/.803, 86, 170, 25, 112

So Player A slightly better over last 6 years, but Player B better over last 3. Who would you pay more and what would you pay each of them?

 

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The only thing that would make this signing make sense to me would be if they see him as a capable center fielder. I haven't seen him play enough to have an opinion on that. But with the number of games Buxton misses, a backup CF is extremely important. If they trust him to start for months at a time if necessary, his bat has a good chance of being good enough to let them weather a long absence by Buxton. Otherwise he's just another corner outfielder, and not enough better than what we have to justify the expense. But if Buxton goes down and Gallo's fielding is good enough to play in CF, I would rather see him starting out there than anyone else we have, assuming they trade Kepler

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Im not mad about signing Gallo, but why stop there? Jean Segura, Taylor Rogers, Nathan Eovaldi, David Phelps, Trey Mancini, Will Meyers, and Michael Fullmer are still available....DO SOMETHING!

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12 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

Welcome to Twins Daily!

2 question for you...Which of the following 2 players would you pay more for? And what would you pay each player. Both considered above average to elite outfield defenders.

Stats from 2020-2022
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS, 2Bs, HR, SB, OPS+
Player A: .203/.272/.376/.648, 46, 41, 23, 74
Player B: .183/.319/.409/.728, 29, 67, 11, 101

Stats from 2017-2022
Player A: .248/.332/.487/.819, 134, 152, 62, 117
Player B: .201/.328/.475/.803, 86, 170, 25, 112

So Player A slightly better over last 6 years, but Player B better over last 3. Who would you pay more and what would you pay each of them?

 

Is the correct answer neither, let somebody else have the headache of hoping they get back to what they were a few years ago? But if you are going to make me pick, I probably pay Cody at tad bit more because he is 1 1/2 years younger.

To me these are guys teams like the Tigers sign and if they get hot trade them at the deadline. I am not paying a prove it year deal without the option of picking up the next year.

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15 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Is the correct answer neither, let somebody else have the headache of hoping they get back to what they were a few years ago? But if you are going to make me pick, I probably pay Cody at tad bit more because he is 1 1/2 years younger.

To me these are guys teams like the Tigers sign and if they get hot trade them at the deadline. I am not paying a prove it year deal without the option of picking up the next year.

I'd accept that answer. I wouldn't have paid either of them over $10 million. My point was simply that the idea that someone with Gallo's history, and success in 2021, most definitely costs more than "a tenth of" his $11 million. Bellinger getting 17.5 guaranteed is pretty obvious proof of that. Free agency is an expensive game to play. If you want the Twins to sign free agents you simply have to accept that the price tags are going to feel high.

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