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The cops have been placed on administrative leave (rightfully so) and the guy who got punched in the face is in a cage (where he belongs) awaiting trail. Cyprian Luke, of Morristown, was a "fugitive wanted for aggravated assault" when Dover police tried to take him into custody early Sunday, the local mayor and public safety director said at a news briefing Monday. He allegedly resisted arrest, they said, and the aftermath played out on shocking cellphone video. So the cops are dispatched to bring in a fugitive who then resists arrest. I know this is going to upset a lot of people here, but I really don't have a problem with this guy getting punched in the face.

Law enforcement is supposed to detail criminals and law breakers. If a law breaker fails to comply law enforcement runs out of options. They are, in the simplest terms: "crime fighters" If a criminal who is supposed to be detained fights it....what exactly do you prescribe? The cop is supposed to take abuse and just let the perp go? Yeah. We have fundamental differences on this one

It's a two way street. The guy got beat up and that's his fault. The cops used excessive force. To blame the police only is wrong

Looks like the police roughed up a guy in Dover, NJ. He refused to comply and was punched repeatedly. Is this police misconduct? Not in my book. It was a bit excessive, but you're taking your chances if you don't comply. Run into the wrong cop and this is what could happen to you.

What I find interesting is that you seriously think Lindsey Graham, Trump or whomever isn't actually looking for a solution to the border crisis. Trump is in the process of putting up a wall to fill in breaches and it's all for show. Just "playing to his base" It's stunning to me how ignorant you insist on being. The Nietzsche reference doesn't make you smart. They most definitely want to "solve" this problem and it comes from a selfish place. They want THEIR PLAN (or something like it) not only to ameliorate the suffering at the border, but also to take the credit. They want that to be part of their legacy. If you knew anything about Nietzsche you would actually understand what I mean. "Liberal institutions straightway cease being liberal the moment they are soundly established: Once this is attained, no more grievous and more thorough enemies of freedom exist than liberal institutions." That is Nietzsche You are more hung up on the discourse (and who owns the plan) than you are accepting a policy that works for US at this time. Get a clue and do more on the actual topic of immigration. I thought you lived in Arizona. It is stunning to me how much you don't know about this particular notion. You have your preconceived notions about it and don't even challenge them. I have. One year ago I did not have this view. I chose to read and watch lots of videos on the topic. You shrug that off as cherry picking to suit my position. Wrong, sir. My view on the topic was borne out of what I have learned over the last six months.

What is "posturing" according to Leviathan?

Carole, just a month ago you wouldn't even acknowledge this was an issue. Where do you stand now?

Chirping about it and actually writing legislation are two different things. And to say there is "zero upside to their involvement" is utterly insane. Push the chains forward and bring something to the freakin table. There should be a pile of bills introduced within the next month form both sides. To prescribe a do nothing policy belies anything you said about partisanship. Practice what you preach, brother.

If it wasn't to find a solution, Lindsey Graham wrote an immigration bill for what reason exactly? Please tell me. Feel free to explain beyond just a couple of sentences

Suspend all generalization about politics for just one moment and answer this for me.... Do you honestly think Trump and Graham are not serious about a solution to the immigration problem? A simple YES or NO would suffice

I don't believe that Lindsey Graham or even Trump are doing this for "effect" I believe that both actually want this issue resolved and if it comes from a "selfish place" I really don't care. If Amy Klobuchar or some other democratic candidate (or some other congressperson) presented something better you don't think that would be beneficial to them AND the democratic party as a whole? Time to stop the BS on this one issue and get to work I don't disagree with a lot of the stuff you post about partisan BS, but you've expressed the democrats stick with sabotaging any kind of solution (no matter how imperfect) that might ameliorate the situation at the border. That is terminal dumbness if the democrats are going to block anything that would improve the situation. I have not seen all the particulars of the Graham bill, but I like the fact that his bill puts and end to fly by night asylum clams at the border. Make them at the US embassy or with US consulates in their home country before they press us with caravans of people rushing the gate. We can go on and on about the humanitarian angle, but the first responsibility of the legislative branch is to serve US first. Solve this FIRST and move forward with whatever "humanitarian aid" we can provide for these countries. What's happening right now is just straight up unacceptable and it needs to be fixed. All I hear from democrats is crickets--other than "we are partly responsible for the conditions these people face in their home countries". If you want to say that then fine..... Please articulate with how this is with actual numbers and ferret out a plan how we can help. Speaking in general terms actually doesn't say "jack" if you can't bullet point a plan of action. This is where democrats are sorely lacking. They talk a mean game, but can't actually formulate a plan of action.

You just (quite unwittingly) illustrated why the democrat party is in trouble. They are doing EXACTLY what you prescribe and it couldn't be more counterproductive to them. Your process is governed by partisanship. The only reasoning behind your suggested approach is...."the republicans behaved the same way so the democrats ought to take the same approach" Seriously? I thought you were Mr. Centrist? Doesn't read that way here. Whether or not the Graham bill or the Trump immigration policy is "posturing" (in your mind) or not makes no difference. They are attempts to address an issue that has to be solved now. That is all anyone ought to care about--not how one side can outdo the other.

Can you break this down once more?

You say you have watched videos and have done reading on the topic and then you say this. Honestly, dude, I don't know how many more times I need to re-explain reality to you. Literally thousands of asylum seekers have crossed the border undocumented/illegally daily for the last six months . I supplied you with the numbers and anything else to show that is in fact the reality. It is almost as though you believe if they come here seeking asylum it completely erases the fact that they were detained because they came illegally. You can obscure reality all you want, but doesn't alter the state of facts and evidence (of which I have provided copious amounts on this topic). And as I said earlier, there are a number of folks here who insisted this "problem" was a product of the president's fertile imagination--all the way up until a few weeks ago. That is either being delusion, uninformed or a combination of both at this point

The thing about impeachment is you need to try the president for impeachable offenses.

You don't know enough about the situation. You haven't done the reading. I presented plenty of links with information coming from Homeland Security AND two large editorials, one from the NY Times and other from the Atlantic. Both widely known as left of center publications. You want to say it's not a crisis, but a problem. OK whatever. I won't say "crisis" You seem more hung up on the dialogue around the issue than actually pursuing information regarding the issue. Then you scream RACISM and run away

Who cares about partisanship? Put out a plan that works and it doesn't matter what side of the aisle it comes from. Again, two different plans are being presented and neither come from anyone in the house majority. That's just a fact

Just last month in this forum several posters insisted there was no crisis at the border. There's your problem. A vast majority of democrats not long ago refused to believe there was an issue. It was more about Trump and his "racial bias" Funny thing is, what about Africans and Asians? How come they have to go the a process these people from south of our border don't? Think about that one for a minute

The point went over your head. At least he wrote a bill with a comprehensive plan. Trump finally presented something comprehensive yesterday. Who's going to be the democrat to step forward with an idea about how to address this?

Yet you're presenting an argument against my criticism in high volume. I think Reed was sort of adopted here because of the fact he talked sabremetics. I had concerns about the guy going in. I'd seen enough in Chicago and NY to know he wasn't anything special. Generally speaking relievers are a crapshoot and Reed is of that variety. Sometimes things go beyond the numbers. I wasn't sold on him and I observed him quite a bit more than you did with his time in NY and Boston. Maybe there is merit in that? Maybe fans can see things beyond just the numbers

You agree with everything in that article. How about you give a little synopsis of what makes it so awesome? I read it and actually cannot believe you consider it to be good journalism with a worthy message

Let's see what the democratic congress does to address the border crisis. If they are going to vote down what Graham presents (because they obviously won't support anything Trump puts out), they should present SOMETHING

It means that if the mission of the democratic party right now is to impeach Trump they are out of their minds. The Mueller Report was a big swing and a miss and we are already gearing up for the next race. It means the democrats need to get their house in order. It means that the democrats in congress need to get to work and serve the people. I could go on......

His postseason numbers are dreadful and was not really that good before his stop in NY. I did not understand the excitement some showed when we got him.

I agree. STAR to me is if he can do what he did at the end of 2017 through an entire season. We are six weeks into the season. Can we wait and see where he is as we head into the dog days of summer? Last year he hit about what I weighed as a sophomore in high school. The stench of that is quickly subsiding, but can we pump the breaks on needing to label him STAR?