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Well ... okay, we are getting off topic here ... we have different ideas, and that's good, but this thread is about a potential trade involving Arraez. We need a legit SS and we need pitching. Since we have failed in free agency, will we trade for what we need? We aren't going to get anyone good if we don't trade someone good. Who is expendable for a trade, who has good value, who could be part of a package to get someone good in return? Someone will likely get traded and it's not going to be someone who is on the downside of their career with a big contract. It is going to be someone young with value. Who on the team would you trade then, if not Arraez, to get a quality SS or pitcher in return? I don't agree with the OP's suggestion, but I do agree that Arraez could be a good piece in a trade and should be used if there is an opportunity to do so. Let's hope the FO creates a good opportunity for a good trade. I liked and hated the Graterol for Maeda trade but I still think it was a good trade ... we gave up someone good for what we needed. So, I ask again, if not Arraez, who do you package in a trade to fill what we need? If we are quibbling about who plays where and how it could work to squeeze everyone in, there is opportunity to create room for a trade.

I think Celestino will be ready to take over the role sooner than 2023. He really came on strong at the end of 2021. A little more AAA seasoning and I think he will be ready to fill that role mid-season. For half a season I don't think Gordon and Kepler are that stinky.

I’m not but it’s silly to carry someone who never plays. He’s not a SS, he’s a utility fielder. I would bet Garver is not behind the plate 5 days/week

Gordon, Kepler until Celestino is ready mid-season

Garver will also get time at 1st and DH. And Gordon only playing 1/week? Hmm ... not sure this will happen

Forgot Garver ... but I edited my comment about Kiriloff. Yup.

No, it doesn't. Neither Miranda nor Arraez is a starting 3B. Both are good bats but are not as good defensively as Donaldson. And Miranda has yet to hit major league pitching. Getting rid of Donaldson too soon solves nothing and makes the team worse.

Even when we get a SS? Has Arraez ever played at 1st? Miranda can play the 3 positions. And then Gordon? Don't forget to get him into the lineup from time to time, too. I thought that Sano would be DH/1B, with Kiriloff there, too, as well as LF ... Either someone in the infield is traded or Miranda starts the year in AAA.

I don't think it's wrong to use Arraez as a trade chip, although I'd rather he be used to acquire pitching, but I think it's more the issue of the target in this case. I get that we need a legit SS, just not sure L-K is the one. But I also don't know who, in a trade. But I do agree, Miranda and Arraez on the same team ... at bats will be an issue. And unless Arraez is moved, I think Miranda is in AAA and gets the first call up when someone is injured.

How soon for Celestino to be considered the backup? If at all? Another season of ... seasoning?

This thread quickly aged to moldiness

Obviously no one ...

I said this elsewhere but it seems that some teams (Rangers, Mets) have no strategy and are just buying to buy, while other teams have no strategy and are just sitting and watching ... ?‍♂️ And I'm sure teams have their strategies, but from my pov, it just is weird.

Horrible. The administrator resigned, but he should have been fired on the spot.

Further ... I get that we don't need to have a rotation of aces, we could do fine with 2's and 3's ... but we don't even have that. Some of our rookies, who have yet to even see time in the majors, *may* turn out to have that potential (Balazovic), but to count on that for this year??? Ugh. Cmon. Yeah, I'm grumpy right now. Really grumpy. With a massive, almost-migraine-like headache.

Have to say, while glad the FO got the Buxton deal done, our biggest need, pitching ... so far it's a massive fail ... I mean, yeah, I'll wait to see how it all plays out, but ... sigh ... I hate this game of waiting, waiting, waiting ... until ... 'Oh, so and so's left! yah!' Especially when it seems DOABLE!

That's a different topic for a different thread, which you are welcome to start. But I don't want to drag down this transaction/news thread with this exploration that will take it off the rails. Thanks.

Yep. As I said in another thread, this contract is the compromise between Superstar Buxton and Oft-Injured Buxton. If he were just the former, he’d get double that, and still a no-injury guarantee. He could stay healthy (probably not), but he could. This is a happy median contract, imo. Very smartly done.

The way I look at it, this contract is the median between Buxton’s ability to be a super star and his injury risk. It’s very team friendly, yet gives comfort and stability to Buxton. It was always going to be difficult finding that happy median for everyone involved and I think that’s what they did. I mean, if there were no injury history, Buxton would probably be able to command twice what he got. And there would still be no guarantee that something wouldn’t happen and we likely wouldn’t have been able to sign him, let alone room for another good signing, So what we are seeing is the compromise. I think it’s a very smart deal the FO made and one Buxton is happy with. And one this fan is happy with, too.

I’ll get excited if it’s a done deal. BUT, if it becomes a done deal, i definitely take SWR, Martin and Ray over Berrios.

You make very valid points. But I think that people just want to enjoy the here and now for today and not do the deep dive about down the road and all the what ifs of value. You should take this post and create a blog.

Um, this is confusing. You jump from Kluber going to the Rays to who the Marlins signed. Who did Miami get?

Gray to Rangers ...

yes

Well, neither are going to 'pan out' this year ... we still need a SS. Polance won't be moved off 2nd, so ... we will need someone