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Well, I think that Giolito and Lopez right now would blow every Twins minor league pitchers right out of the water right now, even with their regressions that they have had at this point. I mean, they would probably be in the Twins rotation as we speak if they were in the Twins system. I don't think Turley, Jorge or any of the guys they have run back and forth are even close to as good as those two. I'd say they are on the same plane as Mejia right now. So when looking at that, how do they compare to Quintana? I think Archer is out of our league as the Twins have nothing that makes Tampa better, it would be totally different if Archer was in his walk year or close to it, then his value goes way down, but right now the Twins would be lucky to pry away a Gray or a Straily type. What did Boston give up for Pomeranz last year? Pomeranz is probably about as close of a match to Straily as you could find, both went from Oakland where they were mediocre to the national league and found themselves in a good situation and produced.

But you have to ask yourself, is Tampa Bay better or worse without Archer, so obviously, they are trying to get better by trading him, what do the Twins have that makes Tampa better without Archer? Probably someone like Berrios which of course defeats the purpose for the Twins. Archer ain't happening, so quit thinking about it

Maybe next year Sano can get Gibson to throw to him??

It was seeded, after Stanton, returning champ, by the number of home runs hit this year, Bellinger has hit 25 bombs this year compared to Sano's 21. They weren't cherry picked. Sano did great, but he was really lucky to have gone the route he went. Any of the other opening round matchups and Sano would have been one and done. His pitcher was bad, it would be nice to see all of the hitters have to use the same pitcher?

Right, that's why I said they have to send a big piece, then maybe add Gibson in as a fixable thing worth the effort of a last place team waiting for guys like a Gordon to be ready in a year or two. I mean he has stuff, just hasn't done well for the Twins, doesn't mean that some other team with better coaching couldn't get a little more out of him?

I think for sure Santana has to stay for next year. If the Twins trade for Gray, who do they send over to them?? Gordon?? You could send them Gibson along with a Gordon type, but it has to be a pretty big prospect to get Gray. If they get Gray then a guy like Hellickson would be a good signing. Then you would have Gray Berrios Santana Hellickson Mejia as your first 5. It would drop Santana to a #3 starter which is about where he belongs. You will have May coming back at some point I'd say more likely Juneish or early July and it will still take him some time to build up, look at some guys like Wheeler and Baily from Cin. It takes awhile to get back to full force after that kind of stuff. Then another year or two and Santana and Gray are gone and god only hopes that by then the guys like Gonsalves and Romero are ready by then. Duffy is not going to make it. He fooled people for a portion of a year 3 seasons ago and he fooled people for a portion of this year. Obviously, people can figure him out after awhile. So I am pretty sure there is no chance that Duffy can be a rotation fixture. Then the bullpen needs to be dealt with, hopefully the injured guys in the minors get fixed and there can be some in house options for the bull pen. Like back when JC Romero, and Juan Rincon came up to help guys like Hawkins and Guardado. Bet on the youngsters to help the bull pen and get some starters. JMO

Hey, "not too shabby."

The re-caps are awesome. Keep them up.

So now that Zack Granite has made it to the big club, is it time to give him an alternative ego?? Like Super hero Zack Ganite, leaps tall building in a single bound to track down rogue fly balls? Or Private Detective Zack Ganite, no fly ball or stolen base can hide from him for long? Or Porn Star, Zack Ganite, hard as a rock, and only makes "out calls" while he is working in the field? Just some jokes to go into the break with

I'm glad Molitor didn't let it go. I'm glad he said what he said.

Hey Hector Santiago is like #89 on the list

Ricky Nolasco.

Why dont they throw some long guy when they pull their starter after the 2nd??

I really agree with this as far as the bullpen goes, use the young guys see what they have. a Neshek can always be picked up for cheap at the deadline if still in contention. The rotation is a different matter, there aren't any internal options that are really close to being ready, so might as well see what Gee and a few guys like that can do to hold crap together at the backend of the rotation when we need them at least for this year? Next year hopefully there will be a better plan in place for the rotation. But as far as the bullpen goes, keep rolling out some young guys and see what they got?

what are the Twins plans with a 29 year old Heston?

I would say definitely not an Ace, hopefully he can work his way up to an adequate number 5 starter. If he can go 10 - 10 every year with about 28 to 30 starts around a 4.50 era he'd be about as good as he could be

Just going off of what I have seen the most over the last few years; had the Twins started a guy like Gee or Doug Fister or some other re-treads everyone would be complaining that the Twins aren't giving any of their youngsters a chance? So yeah Turley got rocked, and needs to go back down, but in a way I'm glad they gave him a shot. Now on to Gee and a handful of other re-treads while some of the youngsters develop.

Yeah it didn't make a lot of sense to me either that they passed up some of the top college pitchers when it appears that they have pretty good position players in place and they need pitching help now, pronto. My only guess is that it is probably a safer bet that position players will have a better chance of developing over pitchers. Pitchers seem to be very tricky to predict. So if they load their system with position players then they will more likely have more tradable chips in the future to get pitching or what not. But that doesn't really solve anything for the next 3 or 4 years, but that is my guess.

Was Dillon Gee given a minor league contract? How long till he is in the rotation?

Doug FISter is available?

Sano 50/50 on Santana No one else

I guess my point was that if there are a lot of sellers then that would diminish trade value for players being offered up as the market would be flooded with options? If the market is flooded and value goes down, then wouldn't trading be a bad idea? Also possibly, if the market is flooded and value goes down then it might be prudent to look for that middle to back of the rotation guy as he may come cheap, but only if the market is flooded. Obviously, if the market is scarce, then the value of guys like Dozier, Grossman, Kintzler goes way up..

I have seen this topic come up numerous times over the last few weeks. I was giving it some thought as there are some people on the board that suggest that since the Twins are in playoff contention you have to think about being buyers instead of sellers. Then there are others that say even if the Twins are in contention for playoffs, they should still be sellers because even with a wild card or a division title in a weak division that the Twins have no legit shot at the World Series because of some of this teams limitations. So I just took a look around, and these are all just based off of my opinions, to see what teams out there, on paper have a legit shot at going to the World Series, teams that seem to have everything. Solid pitching with a couple of Aces, Solid hitting and solid defense; all three facets of the game that need to be in place in order to contend for a World Series title. As I looked around I only really see a few teams that meet that criteria in my mind. Houston Astros, as long as their starting staff gets healthy, seems like they have some nagging injuries but no season enders. Los Angeles Dodgers seem to have all facets with a legit Ace. Washington Nationals also seem to have everything in place. There are others on the cusp, that for whatever reason are not living up to their potential or seem to have some flaws. They are New York (a little shaky starting pitching? Sabathia??) Boston (again starting pitching to me is a little shaky), Colorado, (do you trust that rotation in the playoffs?), Arizona?? Chicago (barely .500, must be something wrong), Cleveland (again barely .500) Milwaukee need I say more (Matt Garza?) Anyway so if most of those teams take the exact same approach as the Twins and decide that if they can't win the World Series that they should be Sellers instead of Buyers there is a possibility that there will be 24 - 26 teams all trying to be sellers at the trade deadline? I know of all of the people that want to sell, sell, sell many of them are talking about selling Santana, selling Dozier, etc.... They say you need to sell high and buy low and that guys like Santana will never be higher as far a worth. However, if everyone is sellers wouldn't that put a guy like Santana and his value even lower?? If there are limited buyers, say 4 or 5 teams and a multitude of sellers wouldn't that depress a guy like Santana's or Dozier's value?? Again you would just simply have to wait until it gets closer to the deadline to see what actually happens and I am just throwing out a Devil's advocate scenario here; but, if it comes to fruition that there are way way more sellers than buyers at that deadline which in turn would depress the Twins players values wouldn't it then at that time be better to switch thinking and buy?? Since the market would possibly be depressed it might be easier at that time to buy low which I know at the deadline doesn't make sense but if the market is flooded with sellers then that would lower the value of what is out there and that might be the time to pounce on a deal?? Just looking at it from another angle.

I think a team with very little pitching available would be very stupid to trade Santana. That would give the Twins even less pitching for the next couple of years.

A Bird in the Major Leagues is worth at least two or three in the Bush leagues.