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of the pitchers listed above, albers,hendriks & devries probably come off the 40 man this winter & may be elibible to file free agency, almost positive albers can walters is not on the 40 man & not under twins control , he will file for free agency on sept 30 when minor leaguers can file.

Robbie, I have seen him pitch but not this year, I dont see the deception but he is doing something right..I talked with a scout friend yesterday & he said he is just getting by with throwing strikes & hitters are missing them. he was 84-86 yesterday & threw some fat pitches right down the middle & they just missed them..he definately has earned his shot but there is a reason the twins are reluctant to bring him up.. as far as Hendriks, I have seen him several times & I have never been high on him, no plus pitches , no out pitch , he has to have pinpoint control to have success.. if TR is looking ahead & sees Albers & Hendriks in the future rotation the twins are going to struggle for a while.. but Albers has earned a shot , lets see what he can do..

jun, I am not writing Albers off , all i am saying is most on here just see the stats & thats ok..I have seen Albers pitch in college & professional, as I have seen alot of guys & I cant remember 1 single guy in the last 10 years that has gotten a chance much less succeded throwing 83-85mph, it just dont happen..he maybe , maybe could have some success as a pen guy because he faces hitters one time & has them out front of everything , but that 2nd time thru the order big league hitters will wait back & kill it..he deserves a chance BUT he is not the answer, the best options in AAA or on the AAA DL is unfortunately walters or hendriks. in my opinion walters or hendriks if facing the tigers gives you a chance to win if they are locating pitches. any of the others you have very little chance of winning that day. Albers is alot like Brad Mills , mills had success in the minors , he even pitched great in vegas & thats almost impossible but he had zero success in the bigs & he throws harder than albers & i am not a velocity guy but you have to atleast get it in the hi 80s...

I think they should extend Pelfrey, he can be a top of rotation starter. as far as this list, I really dont see any options, worley is hurt & he has been terrible, albers has been good at AAA but he is throwing 83-85 & that will not translate to big league success, you say walters doesnt have good enough stuff to pitch in the bigs , i disagree he basically has 1 full season of stats under his belt, IF he locates his pitches he can pitch in the bigs , he is no different than hendriks, neither have over whelming stuff but must locate all there pitches , hendriks is younger but look at his #s , they are no better than walters..lets just say the options in AAA are not good & thats even if ALL of them were healthy...

good news, Rochester got better & now can make a run at the playoffs.... bad news, the Twins got worse & will loose 100

seth, its not giving up on hendriks , but you have to look at there pitches , hendriks , worley or diamond & especially albers does not have any plus pitches..they all rely on location & a large strike zone from the umpire, thats why they can look good at times & then like garbage at times & its not going to change..a guy like gibson will succeed long term because he has big league stuff, if you watch gibson pitch you see the pitches, the movement & you say wow, you watch any of the listed above & there is absolutely nothing that jumps at you....the twins better hope they got something in the lower levels coming in the next couple years because there is nothing in AAA absolutely nothing..

Danchat, while I agree with you that Walters has not been good, but to say nobody wanted him is far from the truth, 99% of pitchers that are DFAd do have other options , they may not get claimed but other teams do show interest if they choose to go free agent...there is one reason & one reason only that walters is still in the twins organization & thats because they have the worst rotation in baseball & the AAA options are no better, worley , hendriks or albers are not the answer..walters be it good or bad will get another chance with the twins...thats why guys would come back to the twins , not because they werent other options but because the twins still offer the best opportunity in the league..

I know walters is up now ,but he is up mainly because of his may #s 4 starts 2-0 2.84 ERA 25.1IP 24K 7BB I know not a prospect but stats are stats...

you guys should really watch more games, benson had some of the worst at bats in run producing situations that i have ever seen & he is supposed to be a 5 tool player...then he would carry it over to his defense, i watched him drop balls in his glove , jog to balls in the gap that he probably could have made...i am amazed the mgr put up with it as long as he did...benson may go on to be a big leaguer but rochester & the twins are better off without him..if he is still the same with the rangers i predict he will be designated in 2-3 weeks.

The only pitcher left in Rochester that can help the twins is Gibson ....hendriks & Worley are not good enough to pitch in the AL .. The phillies would have never traded a young cost controlled pitcher for a slap hitting Center fielder if they thought he could repeat what he did in 2011.. Gibson will replace deduno in a couple weeks..but Worley hendriks & devries may just spend the season in Rochester unless there's a injury.

they said before that it came down to gibson, deduno & walters ...supposedly gibson wasnt ready & deduno was better to face the tigers...well nothing has changed since then...deduno was promoted & gibson , walters havent pitched again..so if there reasons were correct then it has to be walters.

I am all for Gibson, he will be up soon enough, he is still inconsitent but he will get some big league innings this year I was so hoping we would get thru this thread without someone bringing up Hendriks, not gonna happen..Devries , Deduno, Walters, & even Hernandez have passed him up....and Gibson is ahead of them all.

fairweather, have you seen Hernandez ? his fastball doesnt exactly light up the radar gun.. if Hernandez pitches well then maybe Hendriks will be sent down..

seth, it took all of 6 weeks last year for walters to be added to the 40 man, if the need arises TR isnt afraid to move guys off if they are not performing , he has made that pretty clear.. could be tomorrow or may be 2 months but its going to happen for walters & deduno.

spiritofvodka, I dont think I contradicted myself, my opinion of Hendriks hasnt changed..with Deduno if he is in the rotation or pen doesnt matter to me , I just believe he offers something to the team & I honestly think Hendriks offers nothing..