bulldogguy

Was in Vegas for the season opener vs. Baltimore and at the time, Berrios was a 30-1 bet for AL Cy Young...I thought it was crazy he was even listed within the top 10 guys in the AL and that rate...now I look like the crazy one.

I think you nailed it. This seems to be a logical way to make it look like you will run with Plouffe as well next year to ensure the trade value remains has high as it can be. Make it appear like you are ok with moving Sano to outfield and then trade Plouffe and put Sano back where you really want him to be. If this isn't part of the plan, man it seems like the outfield log-jam just got mucked up even more. Should be an interesting offseason...

Thanks...I use that since there is actually truth and merit to it.

I am with you on this deal Brock. I am not saying that the trade is great, I don't love giving up a SP prospect with some upside for a relief pitcher, but good god, this isn't the worst deal ever. We get a proven RP that makes us better, this year and next.

Seriously...you are quoting numbers for Class A level talent. How many guys have we had at that level that had similar numbers and never, ever really had productive careers. I will let the Stat Geeks, fill in the blanks, but let's look at totals for people like: Kevin Slowey, Boof Bonser, etc...there is a stadium full of Class A level talent with similar numbers that ended up being crap and couldn't produce at a higher level. You have to give up something to get something...there are not a lot of even trades in the business. Usually someone gets a slightly better end of the deal, but if it helps the club for a couple of years than it might be worth it. Let's talk in three years and see where our boy Hu is at. Even if he was the worst Relief Pitcher traded, that shouldn't factor into this trade, it can still be a good trade for the Twins because it makes your current roster better.

If Ryan doesn't make a trade - FIRE RYAN. Ryan makes a trade - FIRE RYAN! Pitchfork nation at its best. Seriously, HU is not looked at by almost ANYONE as more than a number 5 starting pitcher. He is in high A ball, and you got a proven MLB relief pitcher. He might not be the greatest in the entire league, but he is a surefire upgrade over what we are putting out there every night. We traded for a relief pitcher who will contribute the rest of this season and next and then who knows after that. Years that we think we can be competing potentially for a playoff spot. This is not about this year, this is about 2016, 2017. I don't think HU would be contributing to either of those teams and most likely we will see another pitcher in the farm system that is either there already or yet to be drafted replace his potential upside. It's not like we gave up an untouchable prospect for a relief pitcher or an already on the Roster MLB OF for a relief pitcher like some on this site wanted to do. Settle down. React, talk, but why is this such a travesty?

This might be the dumbest post of the year.

Spideyo - Be careful about giving up too much info on your role and ways of espinoge, I don't want you mysteriously disappearing one day via TC and his fungo bat because too much information was divulged on this site. You are a valued contributing member...stay out of the limelight and keep the info coming!

I was there this past Tuesday and saw a Goose Island stand right by the Surly stand...love the fact that they are looking to add more craft beers. Tthough Goose is no longer independent and owned by Anheiser -~sp? Busch I believe - don't drink their products, so I can't spell it;).

BTW...this is the worst thread I have read since the inception of this site...I can't believe I acutally spent the time going through this. There goes my lunch hour... Can we just agree to disagree...can't we all just get along...don't worry be happy... Sorry...its friday.

I love how people gravitate to the Rays and Pirates like they have some new secret sauce for identifying and developing players. NEWS FLASH...when you are as bad as they have been for the last 10+ years...you draft really high every year and eventually you are going to hit on some players. For the first 6/7 years they missed and missed badly. Now they are finally hitting on some things. I think this has more to do with the law of averages than being a master judge of talent.

He does not...not enough years. Twins just bought out his arbitration years with his current contract.

Let's not get too crazy on this...keep your expectations low on what we might get. He has been a solid reliever and would be a nice addition for Texas, but its not like he is going to be the primary set-up man or close games for the Rangers. I think C-C+ sounds about right to me.

The Twins got compensation picks for the loss of Kubel and Cuddyer, so keeping them last year at the deadline allowed them to at least acquire some potential talent for down the road. This year is different, with the new rules in place, unless you want to pay some the average of the top 125...and hope they don't sign that deal...you are better off trading them. Liriano is the only one that really applies in this situation...Stick a fork in Capps.

Agreed completely RocketPig...everyone needs a scapegoat...whether it is Anderson, Punto...you name it. No one is perfect, including Anderson, but he seems to have a lot more success under his belt getting what appears to be marginal pitching talent and getting them to achieve at usually an average level. The last two years have been a disaster, but can people really, really take that and blame Anderson??? Seriously???