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    Seth Stohs

    As we continue to prepare for the 2016 MLB Draft, today I present a review of the catchers in the Minnesota Twins organization. Yesterday, we reviewed the Outfielders. Next week, we’ll continue with the Infielders and the pitchers while I’ll also post my updated Top 30 Twins Prospect rankings.

    Why look at the organization’s depth before the draft? As we mentioned yesterday, taking "best player available" is always the right strategy early in the draft, but in the later rounds, it might be important to add some depth at other positions as they look to fill some rosters.

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    Minnesota Twins - Kurt Suzuki, Juan Centeno

    The Twins signed Suzuki before the 2014 season to a nice, one-year contract. He had an all-star caliber first half, so they extended him and he immediately turned back into the catcher and hitter he had been the previous few seasons. The Twins have played him less this year, ensuring that his $6 million option will not vest. Juan Centeno was brought in as a minor league free agent. He had a solid spring training and when John Ryan Murphy struggled and was sent to Rochester, the 26-year-old was called up and is off to a good start.

    Rochester Red Wings - John Ryan Murphy, Carlos Paulino

    Murphy came over from the Yankees where he spent parts of three seasons backing up Brian McCann. Nothing in his MLB or minor league track record indicated he would slump as badly as he did in the season’s first month. However, he is still young and can become a starting-caliber MLB catcher. Carlos Paulino also was invited to MLB spring training after joining the Twins organization a year ago. He is a defense-first catcher.

    Chattanooga Lookouts - Stuart Turner, Mitch Garver, Jairo Rodriguez

    In a way, Stuart Turner and Mitch Garver have been linked since they were drafted in the 2013 draft. At the same time, this is the first year they have been on the same team since that summer in Elizabethton. While the senior-sign Garver began his first full season in Cedar Rapids, Turner (who signed after his junior season at Ole Miss) skipped straight to High-A. While Garver was our hitter of the year in 2014, Turner has struggled with the bat. Turner spent all of 2015 in Chattanooga while Garver is there for the first time. Turner has the reputation as a better defensive catcher while Garver is known for a bigger bat. Reports indicate that Garver has narrowed the gap defensively. He stacks up among the best in the minor leagues at pitch framing while throwing out about 73% of would-be base stealers. Garver just returned to the lineup on Wednesday after suffering a concussion. Jairo Rodriguez is one of the longest-tenured players in the Twins organization. He has played throughout the system over the last eight or nine years, serving as a backup (or third catcher) where needed.

    Ft. Myers Miracle - Brian Navarreto, Kevin Garcia

    Brian Navarreto has a powerful arm. He also has size that one might think could develop some power. To this point, however, he hasn’t hit at all. Kevin Garcia signed with the Twins before spring training after being let go by the Tigers after a couple of pro seasons. He began this season in extended spring but came up when Alex Swim abruptly retired.

    Cedar Rapids Kernels - AJ Murray, Brian Olson

    AJ Murray has been one of the better hitters in the organization so far this year. He takes quality atebats, gets on base and has some power. He also has been the primary catcher behind the plate. Olson was a late-round pick a year ago. He hit well in the GCL and in Elizabethton last year. While he started the season in EST, he has hit well over .300 since joining the Kernels.

    Extended Spring Training - Bryant Hayman, Robert Molina, Rainis Silva, Jhon Alvarez, Jose Ortiz, Kerby Camacho (Suspended)

    Rainis Silva is the best prospect of this group. He is very good defensively. He spent a little time in Cedar Rapids last year before the Elizabethton season started. Hayman started the season in Cedar Rapids this year but was recently sent back to extended spring. Molina played last year in the GCL. He also gets time at first base. Alvarez and Ortiz are in the States after playing in the Dominican Summer League last year.

    Top Prospects

    1.) Mitch Garver, 2.) Stuart Turner, 3.) AJ Murray

    Draft Thoughts

    It is very difficult to get a catcher to the big leagues for several reasons.

    1. Injury/Concussion - Yes, there are a lot of catcher concussions due to repeated foul tips to the face mask as well as “regular” injuries. It is a position of attrition in some ways.
    2. Most organizations value defense above hitting for catchers for obvious reasons. They have to be smart and call a good game while working with individual pitchers, but they also need to have a strong arm and enough accuracy to help control a running game. Pitch framing and ability to block balls in the dirt are also important.
    3. However, a starting catcher also needs to hit enough . “Enough” can be dependent on team.

    Look at the number of catchers the organization keeps at extended spring training. In some ways, an organization needs to draft a few catchers every year just to help with bullpens in the rookie leagues and in spring training (and EST).

    In the past, the Twins have typically drafted at least one catcher in the top ten rounds. They then will draft a couple more in the later rounds. Just a few years ago, the Twins drafted Stuart Turner, Jorge Fernandez and Mitch Garver in the first nine rounds.

    The Twins have quantity of catchers. In my opinion, they should take one in the top three or four rounds if they believe he can develop into a starter at some point. Then maybe add one or two in the late rounds.

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    And the Twins also find a couple of minor league free agents to supplement the mix. Catchers either have concussions, or they play in the minors forever (Eli Whiteside, Corky Miller for example) or we can ask about bring back Drew Butera.

     

    I would love to see in September Murphy and Cedeno as well as Garver and Turner up here. I would love to see Garver and Turner given the opportunity to run with the job next season rather than being the duo at AAA, which they probably will be. Sadly.

     

    The Twins hopes rest on investing in a catcher beyond Murphy (not really many to choose from) or signing a one-year vet to help hold down the fort with Murphy next season and go from there and hope the next five seasons are filled with some of the names mentioned above or throw out runners, frame pitches and hit for an okay average, batting eighth or ninth and being responsible for 3-4 of the 24-27 outs you need to make every game (someone has to do that).

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    It's interesting that catcher was once a strong point of the minor league system.  Pierzynski, Mauer and Ramos are all starting caliber players but there were also a few backups like Butera.  Now however it's so bleak.  Just interesting how quickly things can change.

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    There's quantity, but not a lot of quality that can help the Twins in the near future. I'm not sold on handing over the starting role to Murphy, Garvin, or Turner next season. 1 of the 3 can be a backup C. 

    Juan Centeno is a cute story, but there's nothing in his history that would prompt a long term commitment to him. 

    They're going to have to dive back into the FA waters to find their next starting C. There's decent names that will be available this winter (Wieters, Ramos, Lucroy) If I were GM, I'd pay significantly more on annual salary in order to keep it 1-2 years. 

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    While no expert on the guys, and I know there are staff and posters here at TD that have actually seen them play in person who know a great deal more than I do, I've always liked both Garver and Turner. Both had quality college careers, and they finished 1-2 for the Johnny Bench award coming in to the draft.

     

    Garver has looked like the better hitter since day one, but Turner, apparently in an effort to separate the two, was advanced a level to high A that he probably shouldn't have been. Even when each of them has struggled to hit at times, they have always shown the ability to adapt and rally and have stronger second halves to their seasons. Additionally, all reports in regard to game calling, defense and throwing has been excellent for both.

     

    The fact that they are not both 22 doesn't bother me. Finding good catchers, as we all know, is not easy. And because the position is such a defense first position, finding someone who can do both with some degree of effectiveness is twice as difficult. And it's a position that generally seems to take a little longer to figure out and advance. I like both of these guys, and my hunch is still that Garver becomes the better overall player, and starter, with Turner a really nice backup who will hit a little, make some contact, take some walks, and show some pop.

     

    AJ Murray is a guy I'd like to know more about. There was a great article the other day concerning him and his college career. And it helped fill in some blanks. But considering how he is performing, I have to wonder why A} he wasn't drafted even higher, and B} despite having a top catcher in college ahead of him, why wouldn't you keep him at catcher regardless.

     

    He's a long way away from the majors, but he looks really good so far. Id love to hear more about his defensive ability.

     

    But yes, the Twins should definatly pick up a catcher early in the upcoming draft. Depth of prospects is always good, especially at key positions.

     

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    It's interesting that catcher was once a strong point of the minor league system.  Pierzynski, Mauer and Ramos are all starting caliber players but there were also a few backups like Butera.  Now however it's so bleak.  Just interesting how quickly things can change.

     

    I don't know about that.  They got pretty decent value for both Butera (technically a trade into the system by the way) and Herrman.  I wouldn't write off Garver and Turner either, or even Murray for that matter.  Yeah, there's not a hot prospect there, but all of those guys could be quality ML pieces.  I think we tend to be a bit spoiled by the Mauer years that we forget that his time in behind the dish was at HOF levels. 

     

    That said, I have me eyes on a couple of HS catchers that should be available with one of our picks in the second round.  I'd grab one at least... if not both.  We could certainly use some depth.

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    When pulling the EXST pitchers on who they like to throw to this spring, the name that came up the most was Brian Navaratto.  One pitcher said, "he just knows how to catch - doesn't stab at it like some guys and makes you comfortable with throwing in the dirt."  The names of guys still in EXST that got some votes were Rainis Silva and the other surprising one was a 2016 UDFA Bryant Hayman. 

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    I don't know about that.  They got pretty decent value for both Butera (technically a trade into the system by the way) and Herrman.  I wouldn't write off Garver and Turner either, or even Murray for that matter.  Yeah, there's not a hot prospect there, but all of those guys could be quality ML pieces.  I think we tend to be a bit spoiled by the Mauer years that we forget that his time in behind the dish was at HOF levels. 

     

    That said, I have me eyes on a couple of HS catchers that should be available with one of our picks in the second round.  I'd grab one at least... if not both.  We could certainly use some depth.

    You're definitely right that Garver or Turner could turn out to be starting caliber players yet, however up to this point it doesn't appear to be so.

     

    Due to all the injury concerns and watching Mauer be severely affected by catching I've come around to a defense first catcher that is a great pitch framer but doesn't have a big bat. They tend not to be as expensive and the Twins could spend the balance to improve a position less likely to be injured and miss time.

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    This group doesn't look to promising. Anything can happen, but there's no one to be too excited about. Hopefully the Twins get luck and Zack Collins falls to them in the draft.

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