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    Seth Stohs

    By the end of this week, the Minnesota Twins will have to add some players to their 40-man roster. The Twins currently have 33 players on their 40-man roster. That number does not include Byung-Ho Kim. So, the Twins could add as many as six players to the roster. Most likely, they will add three to four players.

    In the Twins Daily Offseason Handbook, I went into more detail on several of the players that the Twins will likely consider for adding to the 40-man roster. Today, I’ll post the most likely players for the Twins to add with some more information. We’ll start at #1 with the player most likely to be added, and get through the top 10. Of course, these are just my opinion, so I’d encourage your thoughts below.

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    Let’s get started… but first, who is eligible for the Rule 5 draft if not protected on a 40 man roster?

    • Players signed at the age of 18 or less in 2011 (signed before end of minor league season)
    • Players signed at the age of 19 or more in 2012
    • Players signed under the first two categories in previous years.

    #1 – LHP Taylor Rogers

    The 25-year-old southpaw has moved up a level each year since being the Twins 11th round pick in 2012 out of the University of Kentucky. He has done well as a starter, though many believe that he could be tremendous out of the bullpen. With the Twins depth of starting pitchers, Rogers could be a guy who gets to the Twins quickly out of the bullpen. Consider left-handers hit just .177/.209/.193 (.402) off him in 2015 in AAA. Rogers has a good fastball with a really, really good slider that is devastating to lefties. He needs a better changeup if he wants to be a starter, specifically to help get right-handers out. After throwing 174 innings during the regular season, he has thrown another 25 innings, so far, in the AFL. Rogers will pitch in the big leagues for a long time.

    #2 – OF Adam Brett Walker

    Yes, he strikes out too much. Yes, there are concerns about his pitch recognition. However, he’s just 24, and is a legitimate 8 power on the scout’s 2-8 chart. He led minor league baseball in strikeouts (195) this year, but he also hit 31 home runs and ended with 65 extra base hits. He has led his league in home runs each of the last three seasons. Walker is adequate in the outfield, with an arm for left field. The Twins third-round pick in 2012 out of Jacksonville University has done well in the Arizona Fall League as well, with five home runs.

    #3 – RH RP JT Chargois

    It may sound strange to say that a guy who didn’t pitch in 2013 and 2014 is a given to be added to the 4- man roster, but I believe he is. Why? He is capable and frequently hit 100 mph with his fastball. He was consistently at 98 and 99 mph. He was the Twins second round pick in 2012 out of Rice University where he was co-closer with Tyler Duffey. He pitched 16 innings in Elizabethton that year and then missed the next two years with elbow problems that culminated in Tommy John surgery. He’s not a finished project. He can throw more strikes and his slider, while a terrific pitch, can be inconsistent. Two big league pitches and he can be a dominant late-inning reliever, soon.

    #4 – LHP Pat Dean

    After a 2014 season in AA that he described as remarkably disappointing, Dean responded with a terrific 2015 season in Rochester. The lefty, who was the Twins third-round pick in 2010 out of Boston College. In 2015, he went 12-11 with a 2.82 over a minor league-leading 179 innings pitched. If he isn’t protected, there is a good chance that he is selected in the Rule 5 draft.

    #5 – 2B Levi Michael

    Michael was the Twins first-round pick in 2011 out of the University of North Carolina. His biggest issue through his professional career has been the injury bug. However, the last two years when he has been healthy, he has been good. In 2014 he played in just 65 games but he hit a combined .313/.389/.387 (.776). He spent 2015 in Chattanooga and played just 63 games. He hit .267/.369/.434 (.804) with 12 doubles, five triples and five home runs. Michael may not have any tools that jump out of the roof, but he is a solid player all around. He’s got good speed, puts together good at-bats, has doubles power, and plays solid defense. He is primarily a second baseman, but he could probably make a team as a 25th man who can play all three infield positions. Still just 24, he is a guy who could stick with a big league team.

    #6 – RHP Zack Jones

    A year ago, Zack Jones was on path to be an easy add to the roster at this time. However, after being a Southern League All-Star following a strong first half in AA, he really struggled and ended his season back in Ft. Myers. However, that doesn’t negate his upside. It also doesn’t negate his upper-90s fastball. He also has a very good slider. However, he can struggle with control of each. There may be a team out there willing to give him an opportunity in some low-level situations throughout 2016. He was the Twins fourth-round pick in 2012.

    #7 – RHP Felix Jorge

    Jorge is just 22. He signed out of Venezuela in 2010. He struggled mightily in Cedar Rapids in 2014. He returned to the Kernels and was remarkably consistent all year. In fact, he completed six innings in 19 of his 22 starts and never went less than five innings. I think he’s a longer-shot to be added because he is still quite far from being big league ready.

    #8 – LHP Corey Williams

    Williams came back from Tommy John surgery in early June after having the surgery on April 1, 2014, and missing that season. He split his time between Fort Myers and Chattanooga and pitched well. He is definitely one to watch following a regular offseason. Left-handed. Throws hard. Stuff described as nasty. I feel like he should be higher up on this list.

    The same might be said of another power lefty. Mason Melotakis had Tommy John surgery late in 2014 and will return to action in 2016. When healthy, his 97 mph fastball and three-pitch mix make him intriguing. However, he is behind Williams in the return schedule which makes him unlikely to be taken.

    #9 – OF Travis Harrison

    Twins supplemental first-round pick in 2011 (50th overall) out of high school in California, Harrison has worked his way up one level at a time each year. To this point, his best tool has been his patience and approach at the plate. Still just 23, he has very good power potential despite not hitting home runs the last couple of years. Defensively, he is adequate in right field and has a strong arm. I think it might serve him best to get another half-season in Chattanooga, but there’s still enough upside and talent that a team might be willing to have him take up a roster spot.

    #10 – RHP Yorman Landa

    Signed by the Twins out of Venezuela in 2010, Landa has fought some shoulder injuries the last couple of seasons. When healthy, he is another guy who is capable of reaching into the upper-90s and has a good slider as well. Over time, he could develop into a late-inning power arm. However, having just finished a season in Cedar Rapids, he is likely too far away from the big leagues to be selected in the Rule 5.

    OTHER ELIGIBLES:

    RHP Jose Abreu, RHP Jason Adam, RHP Nick Anderson, RHP Luke Bard, RHP Omar Bencomo, OF Edgar Corcino, RHP DJ Baxendale, RHP Sam Gibbons, RHP Miguel Gonzalez, IF/OF Niko Goodrum, 1B/3B Bryan Haar, 1B Dalton Hicks, LHP David Hurlbut, RHP Cole Johnson, LHP Brett Lee, RHP Kuo-Hua Lo, IF Aderlin Mejia, RHP Alex Muren, C Carlos Paulino, RHP Greg Peavey, C Michael Quesada, RHP Dereck Rodriguez, C Jairo Rodriguez, OF/1B Reynaldo Rodriguez, LHP Randy Rosario, RHP Tim Shibuya, RHP Matt Summers, RHP Loek Van Mil, RHP Todd Van Steensel, IF/OF Logan Wade, LHP Jason Wheeler, IF/OF Stephen Wickens, RHP Alex Wimmers.

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    The rule says that someone taken in the Rule 5 draft has to be active for 90 days before placed in the DL, to prevent things like that.  If Melotakis is not ready to pitch on opening day, I doubt that any team will take a chance on him and effectively play 3 months with a 24 man roster.

    The rule is actually that the draftee can not be inactive for MORE THAN 90 days in a season. So he can be on the DL for the first 90 days, but must remain active for the remainder of the season, or be returned to his original team. In any case, if he is on the 60-day DL, he may be substituted for on the 40-man. If he is on the 15-day DL, he may be temporarily replaced on the active 25-man, by anyone on the 40-man.
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    The rule is actually that the draftee can not be inactive for MORE THAN 90 days in a season. So he can be on the DL for the first 90 days, but must remain active for the remainder of the season, or be returned to his original team.

    "Here's your player back. I think we mighta broke 'im."

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    Couldn't a team selecting either Melotakis or Bard replace them temporarily if they had to be on the DL? (see JR Graham 2015)
    Seems like a perfect situation for a Rule V pick. I think they are ripe to be selected.
    I can't see Michael using up a position player roster spot for an MLB team.

    you can't see michael taking a spot but you can see a guy who hasn't pitched in almost 2 years on a MLB roster for 4 months? and He has only pitched in 13 AA games

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    I looked at a few teams that maybe have too many guys like the Twins that could be selected off the Rule 5, here are some guys I think that might get through that could be a good pick up for the Twins.. I'm not too experienced in anything Rule 5 so don't be too judgemental

    Andrew Aplin OF Astros #23 .296/.413/.379 in '15 AAA

    Nolan Fontana IF Astros #24 Very high BB rate, .241/.369/.357 AAA

    Jandel Gustave CL Astros #28 Ctrl probs 2.15 ERA 58 innings 48/25 K/BB AAA

    Matthew Strahm SP 1 Royals #25 2.59ERA in 94 innings 121 Strikeouts in high-A

    B Fuenmeyer 1B. Royals #28 .972 OPS in AAA

    Ivan Pineyro SP Marlins 3.02 ERA in 2015

     

    Can't wait to how it all plays out

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    I'd probably note their ages here too.  Fuenmeyer would be an interesting guy to grab if he was say 23.

     

    That said, Michael will be in Rochester next season playing an up the middle position with a bat that was well above average for said position.  He's a former first rounder who definitely struggled at first.  I can see it either way, but if I was hurting for MI help, Michael would be a decent get.  He might be a bench guy in MLB this year, but you could burn an option getting him development in AAA and then have him for 5 more years after that.  Personally, I'd protect him.  I do agree that the Twins probably have a better feel for whether or not that is necessary, and that answer may very well be that it isn't.  I'm not sure I'd take the risk unless there's a rule V guy they have to have or a few more FAs they plan on getting. 

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    I'd probably note their ages here too.  Fuenmeyer would be an interesting guy to grab if he was say 23.

     

    That said, Michael will be in Rochester next season playing an up the middle position with a bat that was well above average for said position.  He's a former first rounder who definitely struggled at first.  I can see it either way, but if I was hurting for MI help, Michael would be a decent get.  He might be a bench guy in MLB this year, but you could burn an option getting him development in AAA and then have him for 5 more years after that.  Personally, I'd protect him.  I do agree that the Twins probably have a better feel for whether or not that is necessary, and that answer may very well be that it isn't.  I'm not sure I'd take the risk unless there's a rule V guy they have to have or a few more FAs they plan on getting. 

    I'm not sure about Michael either. I think he fits the archetype of a player who might be selected, as he:

    1) Fits the utility infield role, as he probably won't kill you if he started once or twice a week at any of the three infield positions, especially if you match him up against a lefty.

    2) Switch-hits, and seems to have decent walk/strikeout rates. 

    3) Isn't good enough that you would care if you ruined his development by having him mostly rot on the bench as a 25-man.

    4) But if you squint hard you can see the potential upside of an everyday player in the future.

     

    But I don't really have any idea how many other players will be available that fit that same pattern. From the list that jsteve96 posted, Nolan Fontana is clearly a much better option. Are there going to be a dozen middle-infielders available that are better than Michael? Or only one? That should factor into whether or not a player is protected or not. 

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    They'll add Rogers,  they'll add Chargois (they better), they'll add Walker. 

    I'd add Michael (I believe that he turned that corner and be with the Twins this season)

     

    Then the equation gets more complex:  

     

    Do they prefer Darnell and O'Rourke more than of Melotakis/Dean/Williams (not sure he will be drafted anyways?)

    Do they prefer Achter and Tonkin rather than Jones, Jorge, Landa?

     

    I don't think that anyone will draft Harrison.  Not ready.

     

    They need space for a couple of MLB-ready arms as well.  I'd waive Darnell, O'Rourke, Achter and Tonkin and add Melotakis, Jorge and Landa.  to the 4 aforementioned.  That leaves them 3 spots plus Park's to add MLB-ready relievers and maybe a bat. 

    Trades/non-tenders should also happen.  Not sure what others on the 40-man roster (Milone/Fien/Nunez) add to a contender.

     

     

    The only other player who might get picked by the likes of Milwaukee or Philly, is Reynaldo Rodriguez, but I don't see them adding him at this point.

     

    I'm in the minority, but I agree about Michael.  I really did not like the draft pick, and certainly he hasn't lived up to his draft status, but this guy has been getting on base the past two years.  He can take a walk and doesn't strikeout much.  He doesn't look overly special but he also doesn't look a whole lot different than Brian Dozier at the age of 24.  I think a utility guy who can get on base gets selected and I can still see him being useful to the Twins.

     

    Also good point on Achter, Darnell and O'Rourke, are these guys with minimal MLB experience really more valuable than the guys behind them with no experience but a much higher ceiling?  I like Tonkin's MiLB strikeout numbers and 94 MPH fastball enough to keep him though.

     

    Also agree on Harrison.  I'm not giving up on him, but as far as I can recall, the only players who have been successfully hidden on rosters despite the need for more MiLB seasoning have been relief pitchers and batters who can play a premium defensive position.  No one's going to keep a corner OF on the roster who can't hit yet.  Even if he did get selected, so many guys are blocking him at the moment that we'd be destined to play the Rule V game with him the next two years too.

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    Since tomorrow (Friday Nov. 20) is the deadline to protect players, we should see a lot more comprehensive lists after that.

     

    Unfortunately, the Twins are 17th in line.  It's usually very slim pickings by that point -- even the guys that "stick" at that point in the draft tend to be low-upside players, and they often don't really stick but the teams negotiation a trade (like Scott Diamond).  We are probably better off just protecting an extra guy of our own.

     

    How late can we drop a player to make room for a Rule 5 selection, though?  Could we DFA someone like Achter the very day of the draft if a name we like is still on the board as our pick comes up?

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    The only other player who might get picked by the likes of Milwaukee or Philly, is Reynaldo Rodriguez, but I don't see them adding him at this point.

    Reynaldo Rodriguez just re-signed with us as a minor league free agent, those players are eligible to be picked in Rule 5 but it's pretty rare.  R.A. Dickey is the notable example of that, although he was a knuckleballer who had extensive MLB experience at the time.  No one is going to select the soon to be 30, zero MLB experience, 115 wRC+ at AAA 1B Reynaldo Rodriguez.

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    How late can we drop a player to make room for a Rule 5 selection, though?  Could we DFA someone like Achter the very day of the draft if a name we like is still on the board as our pick comes up?

    IDK, but it seems logical that if teams have to submit a roster THIS FAR in advance,(almost three weeks) that a revision to that roster would not be a speedy process that can be completed at the last minute.
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    IDK, but it seems logical that if teams have to submit a roster THIS FAR in advance,(almost three weeks) that a revision to that roster would not be a speedy process that can be completed at the last minute.

    The advance requirement is so teams actually know who is available in the Rule 5, which would be difficult if teams were protecting their players at the last minute.

     

    The "revision" I am suggesting doesn't actually add anyone for protection, just removes a player.  Happens all the time as free agents are signed or waiver claims are made, doesn't seem like it would be functionally different to drop a guy and immediately make a Rule 5 selection.

     

    In any case, answering my own question, I think they can drop guys pretty late.  I see Ortiz was officially released the exact same day we drafted Jose Morban back in the 2002 Rule 5 draft.

     

    EDIT TO ADD: I did find this, though: "A player cannot be sent outright to the minors on the two days prior to the Rule 5 Draft and on the day of the Rule 5 Draft up through the conclusion of the draft."

     

    http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3530

     

    So if you wanted to keep the player you are removing (outright to minors if he clears waivers), you can't do it in the 2 days leading up to the Rule 5 draft.  You could release him like we did with Ortiz though, but that makes him a full free agent.

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    Minor league free agent deal? Sure. Rule 5? No way, not even if he were younger.

    No way? You do realize the last few years we got Diamond, Pressley and JR? Diamond was the best pitcher on the team one year- Pressley has shown that he's good out of the pen when he's healthy and JR wasn't really that bad? Saying it'll never happen for them to pick up a decent prospect in Rule 5 is ignorant.. All you have to do is put the guy in long relief for 90 days then you can send him down to get better.. C'mon man

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    No way? You do realize the last few years we got Diamond, Pressley and JR? Diamond was the best pitcher on the team one year- Pressley has shown that he's good out of the pen when he's healthy and JR wasn't really that bad? Saying it'll never happen for them to pick up a decent prospect in Rule 5 is ignorant.. All you have to do is put the guy in long relief for 90 days then you can send him down to get better.. C'mon man

    He was saying "no way" to drafting that specific player (Balbino Fuenmayor, who I think deserves consideration based on his name alone :) ).

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    The moment you've all been waiting for... OK, maybe not... however, here are the results of my Twitter polls from yesterday. The question, Would you add Player X to the 40 man roster?

     

    Player - Yes/No (percent) - Sample Size of vote

    Taylor Rogers - Yes (74%) - 144

    AB Walker - Yes (94%) - 178 

    JT Chargois - Yes (79%) - 148

    Pat Dean - No (63%) - 141

    Zack Jones - Yes (63%) - 131 

    Levi Michael - No (61%) - 147

    Felix Jorge - Yes (52%) - 140 

    Corey Williams - No (82%) - 131

    Travis Harrison - No (64%) - 129 

    Yorman Landa - No (79%) - 126

    Luke Bard - No (64%) - 132

    Mason Melotakis - No (63%) - 133

    DJ Baxendale - No (73%) - 128 

    Alex Wimmers - No (70%) - 153

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    No way? You do realize the last few years we got Diamond, Pressley and JR? Diamond was the best pitcher on the team one year- Pressley has shown that he's good out of the pen when he's healthy and JR wasn't really that bad? Saying it'll never happen for them to pick up a decent prospect in Rule 5 is ignorant.. All you have to do is put the guy in long relief for 90 days then you can send him down to get better.. C'mon man

    No, you can't send him down.  The 90 day rule refers to days he has to be active; he can be on the DL if he's injured, but he can't be sent down.

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    The advance requirement is so teams actually know who is available in the Rule 5, which would be difficult if teams were protecting their players at the last minute.

     

    The "revision" I am suggesting doesn't actually add anyone for protection, just removes a player.  Happens all the time as free agents are signed or waiver claims are made, doesn't seem like it would be functionally different to drop a guy and immediately make a Rule 5 selection.

     

    In any case, answering my own question, I think they can drop guys pretty late.  I see Ortiz was officially released the exact same day we drafted Jose Morban back in the 2002 Rule 5 draft.

     

    EDIT TO ADD: I did find this, though: "A player cannot be sent outright to the minors on the two days prior to the Rule 5 Draft and on the day of the Rule 5 Draft up through the conclusion of the draft."

     

    http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3530

     

    So if you wanted to keep the player you are removing (outright to minors if he clears waivers), you can't do it in the 2 days leading up to the Rule 5 draft.  You could release him like we did with Ortiz though, but that makes him a full free agent.

    Thanks for finding that rule, which I was unable to find.

    I hope it took you less time to find it, than I wasted searching for it.

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    No way? You do realize the last few years we got Diamond, Pressley and JR? Diamond was the best pitcher on the team one year- Pressley has shown that he's good out of the pen when he's healthy and JR wasn't really that bad? Saying it'll never happen for them to pick up a decent prospect in Rule 5 is ignorant.. All you have to do is put the guy in long relief for 90 days then you can send him down to get better.. C'mon man

    He was saying "no way" to drafting that specific player (Balbino Fuenmayor, who I think deserves consideration based on his name alone :) ).

    There would be some entertainment value in watching a corner infielder working in the bullpen, too. :)

     

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    The moment you've all been waiting for... OK, maybe not... however, here are the results of my Twitter polls from yesterday. The question, Would you add Player X to the 40 man roster?

     

    Player - Yes/No (percent) - Sample Size of vote

    Taylor Rogers - Yes (74%) - 144

    AB Walker - Yes (94%) - 178 

    JT Chargois - Yes (79%) - 148

    Pat Dean - No (63%) - 141

    Zack Jones - Yes (63%) - 131 

    Levi Michael - No (61%) - 147

    Felix Jorge - Yes (52%) - 140 

    Corey Williams - No (82%) - 131

    Travis Harrison - No (64%) - 129 

    Yorman Landa - No (79%) - 126

    Luke Bard - No (64%) - 132

    Mason Melotakis - No (63%) - 133

    DJ Baxendale - No (73%) - 128 

    Alex Wimmers - No (70%) - 153

    Thanks for doing the Polls Seth! I don't think Jorge will be protected based on him being in A ball but we'll see I guess

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    Looks like the DL could be the new Rule 5 strategy, especially with TJ surgery pitchers like Melotakis -- spend half the year on DL (easy for for surgery recovery), then active for 2 months and you can effectively shut him down with expanded rosters for September and he's met the 90 days active requirement.  If he's not physically ready by July, or you don't think you can spare the 25-man spot at that moment, you can leave him on the DL longer and make up for it with a little extra time on the 25-man to begin the following season.

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    Thanks for doing the Polls Seth! I don't think Jorge will be protected based on him being in A ball but we'll see I guess

     

    Polanco and Kepler were added after Low A ball. I remember Deibinson Romero and Rene Tosoni were added after playing in Beloit. It definitely happens. Of course, notice all of those guys were hitters. 

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    MLB.com (via the Twins website) has an article saying that the Twins are likely to protect Dean. I would guess that there's some mouthpiece within the organization associated with that information. What's the disconnect between what the organization sees in him and what everyone here sees?

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    MLB.com (via the Twins website) has an article saying that the Twins are likely to protect Dean. I would guess that there's some mouthpiece within the organization associated with that information. What's the disconnect between what the organization sees in him and what everyone here sees?

    The Twins saw performance as a AAA SP which they think transfers to a MLB RP.

    His 2015 performance was good and maybe it "wowed" the Twins.

    Most of us see a non-prospect, where the Twins see a MLB ready RP.

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    BTW, So far, only the Blue Jays and the Cardinals have added minor-leaguers to their 40-man for Rule V protection according to MLB transactions.  Keyphrase= "selected the contract".

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