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    Jeremy Nygaard

    This draft is a mess.

    The plan was for this to be a draft board - one through ten, but with the spring playing out as it has, it would be plenty difficult to do that.

    Instead there are 10 players listed in three different groups. Let's run through some of the facts and you can try to sort it out for yourself later.

    Or we can just wait til the draft gets closer.

    (But how much fun would that be?)

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    SS Brendan Rodgers of Lake Mary (Longwood HS) in Florida is as close to a consensus #1 as you’ll find in this year’s draft class. That’s on account of him starting at (or near) the very top and - despite having a solid but not great year - that he stayed healthy. His season ended earlier this week with a playoff loss, so he should remain healthy up until the draft. Rodgers has been in the mix to Arizona and since no one has been on the field consistently enough to wrestle it from him, that’s where he’ll remain… for now anyway.

    P Dillon Tate, UC Santa Barbara, has been the biggest mover this season. The rapid ascension is due to Tate being moved from a reliever to a starter and having success doing it. With that, however, comes the durability question and, lo and behold, Tate missed his last start with a lat strain. While it’s not exactly a long-term concern, when durability was a question mark to start, it’s enough to make you wonder. Or is it? At this point, it won’t matter to the Twins. A relatively healthy Tate will be off the board in the top 5 picks.

    SS Dansby Swanson, Vanderbilt, has also jumped up the board. Successfully making the transition from second base to shortstop has helped his stock. Personally, I have a hard time ignoring the lack of superstar-level shortstops who come from a four-year college. And Swanson isn’t Tulo (and Tulowitzki went 7th in his draft). To be fair to Swanson, it’s not his fault the draft is not good. But Swanson doesn’t have the pop of Tulowitzki (or even Brian Dozier) and it’s not a slam-dunk he stays at shortstop. The debate, though, is moot because Swanson, who is putting up an 1.100 OPS in the top conference is college, isn’t dropping to the Twins.

    Those three players are the closest to any consensus Top “pick-your-number” you’ll see and you can feel pretty confident that those three will be off the board before the Twins step to the podium. Of the three, I’d prefer Tate first, Rodgers second and Dansby third - if I were stacking a board - with the bigger gap between Rodgers and Dansby than between Tate and Rodgers.

    This is where the murky gets murkier.

    Kyle Tucker, a prep outfielder from Florida, has the prettiest looking swing in the draft and lots of raw power. His stock is quietly going up and it’s been suggested to me that he could be off the board by the time the Twins pick. I’d put him and Twins solidly as a potential match at #6 and that’s why he’s being mentioned only shortly after the “top 3”. He’s also the younger brother of Astro minor leaguer Preston Tucker and you know how the Twins love their bloodlines.

    Kolby Allard, a prep lefty from California, also shows up in the second group. Allard is unlikely to pitch again until right before the draft, having been sidelined since mid-March with a stress reaction in his back. Allard offers low-to-mid-90 mph heat with a plus curveball, an improving change-up and command that the Twins will love. The knock on Allard is that he’s only going to measure taller than six feet if he stands on his tippy toes. I’d take Allard, cause he’d be signable, he’s young for his class, and his injury isn’t going to be a long-term concern… but he’s really a step below...

    Brady Aiken. If I would have told you three weeks before last year’s draft that there is a good chance that the Twins would be able to take Aiken, you wouldn’t have believed me. Well, eleven months later, here we are…

    As we all know, the Astros drafted the polished prep lefty first overall last year and agreed to sign him for $6.5m. An MRI showed some “abnormalities” and the Astros reduced their offer to $5m. Aiken, and his rep Casey Close, balked at that figure and he enrolled at IMG Academy this spring. And as you also know, his season their lasted 12 pitches before he eventually underwent Tommy John surgery last month. There have been other questions raised recently about Aiken, and at this time, there is no general consensus about where he should go.

    I was told that the afore-linked article gives bloggers a “black-eye”. Basically, Aiken tore his UCL… what else could be wrong/worse? As the article mentions, eventually the truth will be revealed.

    But for now, health is not my issue with Aiken. He’s an elite talent and you can’t pass on an elite talent because of an injury that many/some/most pitchers will eventually have. My hang-up with Aiken is, if he wouldn’t sign for $5m last year, why would he sign for 20% less than that this year. (The Twins have a sliver under $4m tied to their 6th overall pick.)

    So, as of right now, those would be my Top 6.

    Some other names to keep in mind: Louisville pitcher Kyle Funkhouser. Funkhouser has the chops to be a front-end starter, but his lack of command leaves him a step below. Prep righty Mike Nikorak from Pennsylvania is climbing the charts and, with his season just starting, has the most to gain. I’m not going to put him in the Top 6 yet. But I’m not ruling him out. LSU SS Alex Bregman is a player. Where and how he fits is a question, but you can’t simply ignore players like him.

    Rounding out the Top 10 is Georgia prep OF Daz Cameron. As I mentioned on a draft thread, it doesn't appear the Twins are too heavy on Mike’s kid, but rumors persist that the Astros may pop the Boras client with the 5th pick in the draft.

    As we wind through the last seven weeks heading to the draft things will change quickly and often, but here’s a good place to start.

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    An OF who can hit for both average and power (and please not the dreaded 5-tool designation, because none of them the draft are...) should be first choice.

     

    Well, you have to go BPA, but that being said, if you think two players left on the board are equally valuable, I would agree with you that the Twins should look for an outfielder. Ian Happ is probably the only college player to fit the bill, but Kyle Tucker would fit from HS. Jeremy didn't mention him, but Trenton Clark is another outfielder with maybe a little less power but with the hit tool and more speed/defense. He's also been said to have superb makeup, which honestly should matter on the margins. Most projections I've seen put him mid-first round, not early, so unless the Twins are really high on him, probably unlikely. More likely would be Happ or Tucker.

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    I like Tate a lot now, trouble is Its a LOT of Helium and hype...

     

    and the rest of Baseball has surely caught onto him.

     

    Any chance he's available for the Twins to take Jeremy?

     

    If so Should they?

     

    Something i've noticed on Tate: ----->

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    Thats a high high leg kick, but i like how he pitches from the stretch, and AT WORST i see him as an MLB reliever.

     

    should be similar to Berrios in the minors. IMO <-----

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    I heard somewhere before the last draft that Brady Aiken's potential was being compared to Cole Hamels.  I think he'd sign for 4 million especially since he's coming off Tommy John surgery and he'd take the money he can get.  In my opinion Aiken has the best potential out of everyone we could get in this draft, so I'm definitely rooting for Aiken.

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    I like Tate a lot now, trouble is Its a LOT of Helium and hype...

    and the rest of Baseball has surely caught onto him.

    Any chance he's available for the Twins to take Jeremy?

    If so Should they?




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    Thats a high high leg kick, but i like how he pitches from the stretch, and AT WORST i see him as an MLB reliever.

    should be similar to Berrios in the minors. IMO

    I'm pretty sure Jeremy will say No, and Yes to those two questions.

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    There's no college arms that have "ace potential" currently. Possibly Tate, but even that's dicey. Aiken is the closest thing. And Nikorak if you're OK rolling the dice.

    I disagree with this, though I have a fairly broad definition of "ace potential". My list of college pitchers with "Ace potential" includes:

    Tate
    Funkhouser
    Matuella
    Fulmer
    Ponce
    Buehler

     

    This is my reasoning. Other than a small handful of elite amateur pitchers (Strasburg, Prior, Price), the vast majority of Aces are developed over time in the minors and majors. So for me, having "ace potential" is more about having the raw tools needed, and questions about command, execution, durability, etc can be answered in the minor (and major) leagues. Off the top of my head, I consider the following tools that form the basis of an potential Ace:

    * maintain good velocity (93+) into the late innings

    * swing-and-miss breaking ball

    * ability to limit platoon splits

    * decent control

    Beyond that, the ultimate ceiling of a pitcher depends a lot on how exactly those skills refine, and (just as importantly) how well the pitcher stays healthy. Will a pitcher's command take the necessary steps forward to allow his stuff to play up? Will he stay healthy and durable? Will a new changeup grip eliminate a weakness against lefties? Those kind of questions are very, very hard to project, and are often only answerable after years of development. That's why one ends up having draft classes where Chris Sale is the 7th pitcher drafted or Max Scherzer is the 8th.

     

    Certainly some pitchers have few questions than others. But I'm not certain that the difference between best bet (say a perfectly healthy Aiken) and a good bet (say Tate) is incredibly meaningful given the huge uncertainty. And I don't think it is meaningful enough to say that one pitcher has "Ace potential" while another doesn't. It seems entirely possible to me that six years from now everyone will be wondering how Cy Young award winning Cody Ponce ended up falling to the #15 pick.

     

    Sorry for the long-winded explanation.

     

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    Ow, we want the Funk
    Give up the Funk
    Ow, we need the Funk
    We gotta have that Funk

     

    That's my horse too.

     

    My second horse may be pulling a Houston: lowballing a prep player so he doesn't sign and getting the 7th pick in 2016 instead.

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    I like Tate a lot now, trouble is Its a LOT of Helium and hype...

    and the rest of Baseball has surely caught onto him.

    Any chance he's available for the Twins to take Jeremy?

    If so Should they?
     

     

    I'd absolutely take him, if available. But the Twins expect him to go before they have a chance to.

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    Funkhouser, Fulmer and Buehler will all have the same area scout eyes on them (in addition to the higher ups), so there will be plenty of opportunities to compare them. At this point, I'm higher on Funkhouser than the others, but I'd like to give that more time. 

     

    And sure, someone could turn out being an "ace" (by whoever's definition), but, at 6, they're going to be choosing between people with a flaw or two more than, say, Rodon had last year. You're looking at Aaron Nola-type guys. Great pitchers with great potential, sure... just leaving something to be desired. But this is a debate for another day. I'm just trying to sort through what I'm hearing/seeing.

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    Here's the thing with Aiken.

    Evidently there's an opinion that a normal lifespan on a 2nd elbow is 8 years. Don't ask me who holds that opinion or how scrutinized it is. But it seems plausible, right?

     

    Aiken was born on 8/16/96. He would spend at least 3-6 years "developing" in the Twins system, right? How much of a useful life would that leave your 6 overall pick? Not enough to even take him to FA. Not if there's any truth behind that 8 year number.

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    I disagree with this, though I have a fairly broad definition of "ace potential". My list of college pitchers with "Ace potential" includes:

    Tate
    Funkhouser
    Matuella
    Fulmer
    Ponce
    Buehler

     

    Funkhouser is really wild, I compare him to Tyler Beede, who went 14th overall last year, Buehler has shown better control, but has a weird delivery as does Ponce, Matuella has the most potential but his health issues get in the way, and I have heard that scouts think Fulmer is a reliever.

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    I noticed that Brady Aiken favorited Seth's tweet on Gonsalves' great start today. I looked it up and they went to the same high school (Cathedral Catholic). I wonder if that could help somewhat with getting Aiken to sign if the Twins were to take him at 6. Aiken is on record as saying part of the reason he didn't go to Houston was more than just the money, but that his family didn't feel comfortable with them. The Twins, who paid Gonsalves over slot and took him after some disciplinary issues in high school, could look like a good fit to Aiken, especially if Gonsalves speaks highly of the system.

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    Here's the thing with Aiken.

    Evidently there's an opinion that a normal lifespan on a 2nd elbow is 8 years. Don't ask me who holds that opinion or how scrutinized it is. But it seems plausible, right?

     

    Aiken was born on 8/16/96. He would spend at least 3-6 years "developing" in the Twins system, right? How much of a useful life would that leave your 6 overall pick? Not enough to even take him to FA. Not if there's any truth behind that 8 year number.

    That's an interesting read. But as far as development paths go, Giolito, who had the surgery in the fall following his senior year of high school, and Aiken, who had the surgery in the spring following his senior year, are basically on the same path and the Nationals - who are more picky about that "TJS2" than anyone - probably would take Aiken if they had the chance.

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    I noticed that Brady Aiken favorited Seth's tweet on Gonsalves' great start today. I looked it up and they went to the same high school (Cathedral Catholic). I wonder if that could help somewhat with getting Aiken to sign if the Twins were to take him at 6. Aiken is on record as saying part of the reason he didn't go to Houston was more than just the money, but that his family didn't feel comfortable with them. The Twins, who paid Gonsalves over slot and took him after some disciplinary issues in high school, could look like a good fit to Aiken, especially if Gonsalves speaks highly of the system.

    I don't have any doubt that, if the Twins take Aiken, they'll sign him.  They'll have worked something out with Close before hand.  The issue is solely on how they view his medicals.

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    I noticed that Brady Aiken favorited Seth's tweet on Gonsalves' great start today. I looked it up and they went to the same high school (Cathedral Catholic). I wonder if that could help somewhat with getting Aiken to sign if the Twins were to take him at 6. Aiken is on record as saying part of the reason he didn't go to Houston was more than just the money, but that his family didn't feel comfortable with them. The Twins, who paid Gonsalves over slot and took him after some disciplinary issues in high school, could look like a good fit to Aiken, especially if Gonsalves speaks highly of the system.

    We asked Gonsalves about Aiken when we had him on our podcast. They were/are good friends. That would be an interesting angle.

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    That's an interesting read. But as far as development paths go, Giolito, who had the surgery in the fall following his senior year of high school, and Aiken, who had the surgery in the spring following his senior year, are basically on the same path and the Nationals - who are more picky about that "TJS2" than anyone - probably would take Aiken if they had the chance.

    TJS success rates are good but they're not so good that you take one at 6. Too much of a reach IMO. Heck, taking Giolito at 16 was considered a reach by a lot of people. And he hasn't even cracked AA so I wouldn't consider it an inefficiency just yet. Its just too risky for 6 IMO.

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    TJS success rates are good but they're not so good that you take one at 6. Too much of a reach IMO. Heck, taking Giolito at 16 was considered a reach by a lot of people. And he hasn't even cracked AA so I wouldn't consider it an inefficiency just yet. Its just too risky for 6 IMO.

    In a redraft, giolito goes top five and Strasburg, who had tj goes 1-1 still. Harvey goes earlier than he did too.

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    I think it all started when Ervin Santana didn't know how the steroids got in his body. Or Obama, he's pretty popular to blame too. Personally, I blame Scott Walker.

    Yeah, Walker and Hillary Clinton planned this together, they are the two biggest jokes of politicians, so I wouldn't put it past them.

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    In a redraft, giolito goes top five and Strasburg, who had tj goes 1-1 still. Harvey goes earlier than he did too.

    These guys had TJS after they began their development. Thus their team-control years are less shortened by the theoretical 8 year lifespan of a 2nd elbow.

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    I've said this before, but there is a weird disconnect when it comes to the draft. We are what, six weeks from the draft? And yet, there is evidently tons of time for things to change before the draft. Why then, can players have entire off years, and that can (accurately, in my view) be largely ignored in favor of the player's track record?

     

    For my money, if Aiken is there at 6, the Twins should absolutely take him. His upside and established level seems much higher than anyone else in the draft.

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    I don't have any doubt that, if the Twins take Aiken, they'll sign him.  They'll have worked something out with Close before hand.  The issue is solely on how they view his medicals.

    I completely agree with this. I was going to ask Jeremy if he thought the Gonsalves Factor might help the Twins sign him. I think it could, even though it shouldn't.

     

    So I think it should be all about the medical. That said, in early June, he'll only be about 3 months post- Tommy John so there won't be anything much to go on. But he has, by far, the highest upside, so I'd be in favor of taking him.

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    These guys had TJS after they began their development. Thus their team-control years are less shortened by the theoretical 8 year lifespan of a 2nd elbow.

     

    True, but that is only part of it.  The other part is the worry that they won't be as good after TJ.  In the case of the guys mentioned....they are still really good and even after TJ get drafted higher in a re-draft.

     

    The other thing is those other teams wasted a year and a half of control in the cheap years on these guys while they rehabbed (Stras, Harvey, and Liriano to name a few). That would not happen in the case of Aiken.

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    I would like to see it become standard practice to include the Lackey clause in multi-year pitcher deals. "If you miss a year due to Tommy John, we tack on a team option for the vet minimum." I honestly can't believe that wasn't a bigger deal when it was included... apparently the MLBPA didn't think it was?

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