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    Seth Stohs

    Tonight, the Elizabethton Twins will open up their 2016 season on the road. Below you can find the 2016 Elizabethton Twins Opening Day roster (along with a few names who will be there shortly).

    This team has some older players, college guys drafted this year or last, but there are some very intriguing younger players who are certainly worth watching.

    Elizabethton is a great little town for minor leaguers to make their professional debut. Many of these players, particularly those drafted this month, have likely never been real far from home, had to pay their own bills, etc. Others have been in Ft. Myers for the last three months, eagerly anticipating getting to Tennessee (if not Iowa) to start playing games where box scores show up online!

    Manager Ray Smith has been on the coaching staff in Elizabethton for 30 seasons now. This is his 22nd season as manager. His hitting coach, another former big leaguer, Jeff Reed will be in that role for the 14th straight year. This year, Luis Ramirez is the team’s pitching coach. It is his second season in that role after spending 2014 in that same role in the GCL and 2013 in the Venezuelan Baseball Academy.

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    Here is a very brief look at the players on the 2016 Elizabethton Twins Opening Day roster (plus a couple of others who could soon be there). Please feel free to ask questions on these players and we’ll try to answer them. With regard to the 2016 draft picks, hopefully Jeremy Nygaard can help out with some answers too. Note also that this roster is subject to change for a variety of reasons, particularly in the next few days as more players sign, etc.

    HITTERS

    Catchers: Bryant Hayman (23), Mitchell Kranson (22), Robert Molina (19)

    Molina is the young guy in the group. At just 19 through the season, he is one of the younger players on the roster. He is listed as a catcher, but he could play some first base as well. Kranson was the ninth-round pick this year. He is the old-school prototype for a catcher, listed at 5-9 and 210 pounds. He also played around the field a bit, mainly at third base. Hayman started the year at Cedar Rapids but went back to EST. He was a non-drafted free agent a year ago.

    Infielders: Travis Blankenhorn (19), Lewin Diaz (19), Caleb Hamilton (21), Andre Jernigan (22), Amaurys Minier (20), Ariel Montesino (20).

    Blankenhorn was the team’s third-round pick last year. He ended his season in Elizabethton. He played mostly third base last year. He spent the majority of his EST time at second base. Lewin Diaz, the bulky first baseman (inexplicably listed at 180 pounds on the roster, he’s actually about 250 pounds) can provide some power. He got into a handful of games in E-Town a year ago. He didn’t get many hits, but four of them were home runs. Hamilton and Jernigan are college guys drafted just this month and should get a lot of time in the middle of the infield. Minier is a guy who signed a big bonus four years ago, and it is time for him to stay healthy and start producing the kind of offense that many hoped from him. Montesino started last year in E-Town, but went back to the GCL because of the emergence of Jermaine Palacios. He’ll be back with the Twins this year. Note also that Trey Cabbage will likely be joining the E-Twins in a couple of weeks. He has a back injury - different than last year - and should be manning third base for this team soon. Also note, Brandon Lopez who just finished his college career in the College World Series, will also be a middle infielder on this roster when he gets signed and is ready.

    Outfielders: Matt Albanese (20), Shane Carrier (20), Christian Cavaness (22), Jaylin Davis (21), Roberto Gonzalez (21), Alex Kirilloff (18), Hank Morrison (22), Casey Scoggins (22)

    Albanese was drafted this month and will start the year on the DL. Carrier, Morrison and Scoggins are all 2016 draft picks who will be making their pro debuts in Elizabethton. Likewise, I have included first-round pick Alex Kirilloff on this roster as we have heard this is where he is likely to start his pro career. Of course, he is in the Twin Cities as we speak, likely about to sign his professional contract. Cavaness began the season as the fourth outfielder in Cedar Rapids but was sent back to Extended. Jaylin Davis is one to watch. He was drafted by the Twins in 2015 but was hurt. He has tremendous power and should be a fixture in the middle of this lineup. Likewise, Roberto Gonzalez spent two years in the GCL after being drafted in the 15th round in 2014 out of high school in Orlando. He also has incredible power. He just needs to stay healthy and make more contact.

    PITCHERS

    Starters: Jose Martinez (19), Ryan Mason (21), Sean Poppen (22), Alex Robinson (21), Alex Schick (21)

    Jose Martinez pitched in the Gulf Coast League last year, going 1-5 with a 4.31 ERA. Alex Robinson was the team’s fifth round pick just last year out of Maryland. He’s a college reliever they believe has the stuff to be a starter, so he is getting that opportunity. Alex Schik (6th) and Ryan Mason (13th) were both drafted out of Cal-Berkeley this month. Sean Poppen was the team’s 19th-round pick this year out of Harvard.

    Relievers: Tyler Beardsley (22), Domenick Carlini (22), Max Cordy (23), Colton Davis (22), Griffin Jax (21), Hector Lujan (21), Johan Quezada (21), Andrew Vasquez (22)

    Hector Lujan got into one game for the Miracle. He and Vasquez pitched together and were both drafted last June out of Westmont College in California. Cordy was the Twins 40th-round pick out of UC-Davis just last year. Johan Quezada is the 6-8, hard-throwing right-hander who took over as the GCL close last year. He sits 96-100 mph. Since signing with the Twins in 2012, he has added about eight inches in height and 40 pounds to go with about 10 mph on his fastball. Beardsley (16th), Carlini (21st), and Davis (25th) were all drafted in 2016. So was Griffin Jax, their third- round pick out of the Air Force Academy. He is expected to be able to pitch for a couple of weeks at some point during the season.

    Of course, this roster is subject to change as guys in the GCL start performing, or as more 2016 draft picks decide to sign. It has to be challenging for the coaches and for the minor league coordinator to keep things straight for the next week or so with these rosters.

    On Friday afternoon, the GCL Twins will play their first game. We’ll provide a roster preview for them this evening.

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    If it was case by case, it wouldn't be the same every year. And, if you think you know more than KLAW..... No. He has consistently criticized this approach of not challenging college players, specifically the twins approach.

     

    Klaw constantly criticizes everyone, and he commends them too.  Lest you forget, Law was the one saying the Twins are doing just fine with Stewart while also saying that they left Walker in A ball a bit too long.  He has different opinions on different people, and I'd also add that of late he's been more complimentary to our system than not.  You're working off of an older meme that was more pronounced a few years back (coincidentally, when the Twins farm system was really bad).

     

    From the looks of things, Walker's problem isn't that he was left in A ball too long, I might add.

     

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    The main problem is, we end up with a 40 man roster crunch, when the Twins are forced to protect players that haven't played much in the upper minors, thus having to use up options before they reach the majors, so they end up rushing them to the majors, before they are fully ready.

     

    A secondary problem is that when we end up with players in rookie or A ball that dominate, we hear the excuse that there is no room to promote said player. If a short season A team is added, that'll give the team more flexibility to promote/demote players without having to release players or wait for injuries. Keeping a player at a level that he has mastered for a few extra months, has very little added benefit for the player and only lengthens the ETA to the majors. When it comes to player development, time needs to be viewed as a resource. 

     

    I think it is a fair criticism that many of the college draftees are actually not challenged. You really have to look further than LaMonte Wade. He put up a wRC+ of 160 with a BB/K of 1.35 in the Appy league after being drafted. That league is just not much of a challenge for college players out of major conferences, whether we're talking about an early round junior or a late round senior. It's ok for junior college guys, players from small colleges, or high school players that haven't made the jump to A ball yet. 

     

    Again, the way Twins are doing things is not working. Almost none of the players come up ready to contribute- sure a few may catch lightning in a bottle- but that never lasts once the league adjusts. Despite having one of the top rated farm systems the past few years, this team is on pace to lose 110 games. Surely, you must see the problem here. 

     

    1 - 40 man 'issue' - in my opinion, it's not an issue at all. Landa and Rosario were where they were when protected because of injury, not because of being held back. Kepler and Polanco were protected at the same level, and those have worked out fine. The 40 man is definitely not taken lightly. As you can see from the 4 names if there is any issue, it's that guys who sign at 16 have to be added to the 40 man roster when they're 20/21 (and hopefully to CR) or potentially be lost. Guys signed out of high school get a couple of extra years. The issue isn't development as much as it is logistics of signing 16 year olds.

     

    2 - I'd be fine with the team adding a 3 rookie level (short-season) teams, maybe in the New York - Penn League... but first, I want someone to research and find out how many of the 30 MLB teams have three rookie level teams. 

     

    3 - LaMonte Wade is one year after signing and he is already in High-A... even if he maybe should have gone to Cedar Rapids a month sooner, he's moving along quite well. And, he was promoted in the midst of a 3-35 stretch. Unless you think a guy is going to seriously have a chance in the big leagues within a year of being drafted, there's no push in their first season, especially coming out of a long college season that started in January. Let them get rest. Don't over-throw them. Guys like Burdi, Reed, Rogers, Baxendale, Zach Jones, they moved up to Cedar Rapids (or Ft. Myers in Burdi's case). And Tom Hackimer is starting in Cedar Rapids now. Kyle Gibson started in Ft. Myers. It just has to be a case-by-case thing. Should have nothing with where they went to college. 

     

    Things are bad at the big league level. It's not unusual that some rookies go back and forth a few times that some start out hot and then struggle, and others take off right away and never go back down (these are rare). There are exceptions, but every player needs to be handled separately, case-by-case.

     

    (Disclaimer - These thoughts are mine. I don't claim they are 100% accurate, especially since there is no 100% accurate when it comes to any of this stuff.)

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    If it was case by case, it wouldn't be the same every year. And, if you think you know more than KLAW..... No. He has consistently criticized this approach of not challenging college players, specifically the twins approach.

     

    I'd need to see a team-by-team, player-by-player study of what they do. I think we should start with the Cardinals as I think they're a great model. I'd be curious the following:

     

    1.) How do they push they're big prospects? Again, because I'd say that the guys who are big prospects for the Twins aren't moved along real slow.

    2.) Where do they start the just-drafted college pitchers selected in rounds 1-2?

    3.) Where do they start the just-drafted college pitchers selected in rounds 3-10?

    4.) Where do they start the just-drafted college pitchers selected in rounds 11-40?

    5-13.) Same three questions for just-drafted college hitters, high school pitchers and high school hitters.

     

    From those questions, we could develop the next set of questions. 

     

    And, I'm not going to pretend I know more than Keith Law, but I don't think everything he says means much. We all just have opinions, and so does he. He just gets paid a TON more for his.

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    Honestly, the only place where this really happens is with international free agents signed at 16 (think Kepler and Polanco).  You don't see it nearly as much with high school kids, b/c if the kid spends more than 2 seasons in rookie ball, he's already on the bust side of the spectrum.  I really think the CBA should give those kids and extra year or two of team control prior to rule V.  As it is, it's a short season plus four full seasons for them, starting at age 16, which means they are being put on the 40 man at 20/21.  That's a problem that every major league team has, and it has nothing to do with where they start out the season. 

     

    They added a year during one of the recent CBA changes, maybe 3-4-5 years ago. It always was one year earlier. That's why you rarely find the Johan Santana's anymore in the Rule 5 because teams have had another year to evaluate. 

     

    And, I don't necessarily agree with players who spend two seasons in the rookie leagues being a bust. Jorge Polanco spent two years in the GCL and one in E-Town. Max Kepler spent a year in the GCL and two years in E-Town. They're young. They were very raw. It was the best thing for them. 

     

    I hate being the guy who just says the same things over and over, but it (player development) just has to be a case-by-case thing. 

     

    Sano and Rosario went:

     

    1 year - GCL

    1 year - ETown

    1 year - Beloit

    1/2 year - Ft. Myers

    1/2 year - New Britain

     

    And then that's when Rosario had the 50 game suspension and Sano missed a year. But they moved real quickly, but I'm sure there were others who felt it was still too slow.

     

    Buxton:

    1/2 year short season - GCL

    1/2 year short-season - ETown

    1/2 year - Cedar Rapids

    1/2 year - Ft. Myers

    Then he had the injury-plaqued 2014 that would have had him starting in New Britain if not for injuries in spring. Instead, they ended in New Britain.

    2015 - he was in Chattanooga and by mid-June, big leagues.

     

    Anyone think they maybe shouldn't have promoted him so fast?

     

    Can't have it both ways.

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    Last, and probably the best case for criticism, is Quesada. He's 21, and has 64 innings under his belt. So, if one were to make a case that he might be well-served by being pushed, fine.

    Quezada walked more than a batter per inning in the Dominican Summer League for two seasons. Let that sink in. How the heck do you walk DOMINICAN batters, at ALL*, to say nothing of two per inning? :)

     

    He improved in that regard in the GCL last year, to "only" 5.1 walks per nine innings.

     

    Clearly command is going to be a gating issue for him, and it's hardly a given that pushing him faster than Etown this year is going to be the solution. (Maybe there won't BE a solution; in 3 innings this year he's walked 3 guys.)

     

    * I keed, the DSL walk rate seems to hover around 4 per nine innings pitched

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    If it was case by case, it wouldn't be the same every year. And, if you think you know more than KLAW..... No. He has consistently criticized this approach of not challenging college players, specifically the twins approach.

     

     

    Mike, in general I don't know anything compared to a lot of fans, including KLAW. Specifically, as I thoroughly described, I know some data points about this year's E-Town pitchers, and based on the practices of MOST TEAMS when it comes to these late-round college pitchers, the Twins are not operating in some unique fashion as some would like to believe. Just "glance" at the other Appy leaguee rosters. Or read last nights bios on the pitchers our E-Town veterans faced.

     

    I don't have an opinion about KLAW's past criticism because I don't know what he was looking at, but it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that even he could form an off-kilter generalization based on some rather flimsy or isolated evidence. That's why I surmised that he'd probably not be critical of what he sees with this E-Town roster. Now, it could be that KLAW believes ALL college pitchers, regardless of how much of a long shot they are, should start at A ball or higher. Can you see how another expert might disagree with that when it comes to some 25th-rounder from Western Carolina? I don't know enough to either agree or disagree with KLAW if that's what he thinks, and perhaps you do, Mike, but I can see the other side of it too.

     

    Incidentally, Lachlan Wells, age 19, has already been sent up to Cedar Rapids.

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    Incidentally, Lachlan Wells, age 19, has already been sent up to Cedar Rapids.

     

    The same age that Lewis Thorpe and Fernando Romero arrived in Cedar Rapids in 2014... And Luis Arraez and Jermaine Palacios are this year while spending the full season there... 

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    It is the roster age, year after year.....if it was about 1-4 players, it wouldn't be the same thing nearly every year.

     

    His past criticism is in putting college players in against 17-19 yo HS and South / Central American "kids", and not challenging them early, and then rushing them thru AA and AAA.....

     

    I have no idea what the "right" process is....but I think it is fair to question a team that is about to have it's 5th 90+ loss season in 6 years in terms of their process. YMMV, of course.

     

    However, I really feel I derailed this thread, and it should be about wishing these guys all good luck and great careers, so I'm done in this thread talking about the other issue. Sorry everyone.

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    They added a year during one of the recent CBA changes, maybe 3-4-5 years ago. It always was one year earlier. That's why you rarely find the Johan Santana's anymore in the Rule 5 because teams have had another year to evaluate. 

     

    And, I don't necessarily agree with players who spend two seasons in the rookie leagues being a bust. Jorge Polanco spent two years in the GCL and one in E-Town. Max Kepler spent a year in the GCL and two years in E-Town. They're young. They were very raw. It was the best thing for them. 

     

    I hate being the guy who just says the same things over and over, but it (player development) just has to be a case-by-case thing. 

     

    Sano and Rosario went:

     

    1 year - GCL

    1 year - ETown

    1 year - Beloit

    1/2 year - Ft. Myers

    1/2 year - New Britain

     

    And then that's when Rosario had the 50 game suspension and Sano missed a year. But they moved real quickly, but I'm sure there were others who felt it was still too slow.

     

    Buxton:

    1/2 year short season - GCL

    1/2 year short-season - ETown

    1/2 year - Cedar Rapids

    1/2 year - Ft. Myers

    Then he had the injury-plaqued 2014 that would have had him starting in New Britain if not for injuries in spring. Instead, they ended in New Britain.

    2015 - he was in Chattanooga and by mid-June, big leagues.

     

    Anyone think they maybe shouldn't have promoted him so fast?

     

    Can't have it both ways

    I should note on my comments about MORE than 2 years in rookie leagues, I was referring to US players.  International is a bit different given the very obvious age gap.

     

    And I'm not disagreeing at all with the case by case basis.  I've been saying the same thing for years.  I was responding more to the idea that we have 40 man issues b/c we aren't promoting fast enough.   I think there's real problems with international FAs, but if your HS/college prospect cannot get out of rookie leagues after 2 seasons, he's not much of a prospect anymore.  That doesn't mean you give up or choose not push him aggressively if he figures it out, but that most definitely IS NOT on the organization.  It's a real problem that everyone faces. 

     

    And I would most certainly argue that you do not push for the sake of pushing.  I'd think watching Aaron Hicks, Carlos Gomez, Byron Buxton (now), etc. should more than enough evidence that the end result more often than not does not benefit the pushing organization. 

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    It is the roster age, year after year.....if it was about 1-4 players, it wouldn't be the same thing nearly every year.

     

    His past criticism is in putting college players in against 17-19 yo HS and South / Central American "kids", and not challenging them early, and then rushing them thru AA and AAA.....

     

    I have no idea what the "right" process is....but I think it is fair to question a team that is about to have it's 5th 90+ loss season in 6 years in terms of their process. YMMV, of course.

     

    However, I really feel I derailed this thread, and it should be about wishing these guys all good luck and great careers, so I'm done in this thread talking about the other issue. Sorry everyone.

     

    It's probably more fair to question what said team was doing 5 years ago to give us a crop of major leaguers that led to 5+ 90 loss seasons, not automatically question what they are doing today. If they are using the exact same methodology, then perhaps...But I think you've been around here long enough to know that isn't the case. 

     

    It's always good to question why we do things.  Doing so without regard to understanding how the results are achieved will rarely lead to better results.

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    Once again....slow playing at the low levels, I don't get it. Why do they keep doing this?

     

     

    So, let's look at The Cardinal's roster in the Appy league, since so many of you love to point out how much differently and better they move players along, right?

     

    "Glancing" at the first dozen or so pitchers on their roster and I discover this:

     

    A bunch of late-round pitchers, rounds 19, 18, 29, plus a FA, and a college guy from last year's 8th round repeating Appy ball.

     

    Next, I count five guys, yes five guys, who are in their 4th or 5th, yes, 4th or 5th year of pro ball, with innings counts of 196, 153, 142, 70, and 64. All more experienced than Quezeda, our lone argument for not being "pushed".

     

     

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    Quezada does not need pushed, having watched him the last two season in EXST, GCL, Instructs, baby steps with him.  His fastball hits 95-100mph regularly and the command has improved markedly over that span.  He also recently scraped his slider in exchange for a curveball, which he can actually throw for a strike as well.  Johan has great potential but should NOT be pushed until the control of his fastball has been established and further development of a breaking ball.

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    Quezada does not need pushed, having watched him the last two season in EXST, GCL, Instructs, baby steps with him.  His fastball hits 95-100mph regularly and the command has improved markedly over that span.  He also recently scraped his slider in exchange for a curveball, which he can actually throw for a strike as well.  Johan has great potential but should NOT be pushed until the control of his fastball has been established and further development of a breaking ball.

     

    Thanks, it is great to get these scouting views, since none of us get to see them live. Appreciate it.

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    "Note also that Trey Cabbage will likely be joining the E-Twins in a couple of weeks. He has a back injury - different than last year - and should be manning third base for this team soon."

    Lets all hope the back injury isn't as severe as last year's (stress reaction that almost turned into a spondy) but it's starting to be a trend.  Trey has self admittingly said he's very inflexible in his lower back and hamstrings.  I half jokingly recommended Yoga and Pilates last year to him and his parents but now I'm less kidding.  You have to stay flexible elsewise it'll continue to be an issue, as I often tell my patients, "Time and Gravity, are not your friend" and if you are 19 and having issues already just imagine what age 29 will look like.

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    Thanks, it is great to get these scouting views, since none of us get to see them live. Appreciate it.

    I try to take plenty of video but even still it doesn't capture the same as the eye in person.  The biggest thing I'll say I've noticed is that Virgil Vasquez finally got Johan to repeat his mechanics/delivery which at 6'9 (probably 6'10 with cleats on) isn't the easiest thing to do.  

     

    Quezada 7/11/15

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Iis_RgKfQ

     

    Quezada 5/14/16

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoFUp6efgmk

     

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