2023 Twins Top 10 Prospect Rankings: Where Does Jose Salas Fit?

I would move Prielipp down only because he is coming off TJ and no minor league innings yet.  For Salas I think that is good placement.  Hard to argue with much of it overall though. 

For me he is really tough to slot.  I would have him anywhere from 4 to 8.  It is hard for me to compare pitchers to position players.  If you just skip pitchers I would have him at number 4 because I think he can be a solid defender, he has a good eye at the plate, can hit and hopefully hit for power.  He was a bit down with the bat at High A so it makes one wonder a bit about the hit tool but he is also only 19 and already at high A so that is a plus as well.

If the bat breaks out he is a top 5 prospect for sure whether he sticks at short or not for me.  If the bat stalls then he drops.  Man he is big for 19 years old..  Happy to have a player with his upside to watch at High A, which will need all the good players they can get.

Even though Lee is rated the 10th best SS prospect by MLB, he is rated the best hitting SS prospect. Lewis was mentioned as being just on the fringe of the top 10  SS prospects. Julian is #7 at 2B and rated the fastest riser from where he was in the rankings last year.  Miranda was mentioned at 3B as having graduated from the top 10 3B last year.  When you consider All World Carlos Correa is at SS and Polanco , a former All star SS is at 2B for the Twins, the future looks bright at the key IF positions. Kirilloff at 1B is at a relatively new position, but if his wrist heals, he should be terrific at 1B and hitting.  And the Reds MVP from last year, Farmer can play SS, 2B, and 3B capably, that is one good infield. The OF is the best defensive OF in the major leagues with a platinum glove, 2 gold gloves, and Kep, who should have won a gold glove manning the OF. I really don't see any great fielding prospects ranked by MLB, but  Rodriguez, Martin, Larnach and Wallner  are all very promising outfielders.  The Twins have no highly ranked prospects at catcher, I suggest the Twins trade with the Pirates who have 2 highly ranked catching prospects and I prefer Henry Davis for his strong arm, The Mets also have 2 top catching prospects, but I imagine Alverez is untouchable, since he is the number 1 prospect in the overall rankings. Parada may not be a strong enough defender, but he is a possibility to be traded by a team which has 2 top catching prospects.  The position players all look very promising for the Twins. Now ...about those young pitching prospects for the Twins....none are ranked vey high except Raya and he is several years away at best. I'll end on a positive note with 2 words. Jhoan Duran.

Don’t sleep on Martin.

Until we see another year or even two out of Salas, Martin > Salas at the moment. That could obviously change this year, but Martin’s strongish second half and raking in the AFL, gives his ranking a boost coming into this year.

Once you’ve fallen, it’s hard to move back up, but Martin merits that type of consideration.. 

Yikes!  I mean in a good way.  Hard to pick out the best of this group.  But I personally love Emma Rodriguez.  That being said...lots of high end talent here.

As much fun as a list like this is, a decent amount of the value some of them is going to provide will only come in the form of a trade. Don't fall in love, because we don't have room for all these guys to play here.  

With that in mind, I'm all in on @tarheeltwinsfan plan of going and getting Vazquez' heir via trade. AZ and TOR swapped stud young players a few weeks ago to fill organizational needs and we should consider it as well. Some things are very hard to do, so not everyone does everything equally well. We are cranking out the middle infield prospects these days and so we are trading from that wealth to buy things we haven't been creating in-house, mostly pitching. But it's also been a long time since we drafted and developed a non-Mauer catcher that anyone else thought highly of.  I just checked: it was a 32 year gap between Jeffers leading the team in games caught in 2020 and Tim Laudner in 1988 with only Mauer in between. There is no indication that we're even trying to figure this out, so we may as well get shopping.   

BTW, out of nine positions last year, the Twins featured starters  Polanco, Miranda, Gordon, Kepler, Arraez and Celestino coming up with the Twins and only Correa, Sanchez and Urshela debuting elsewhere. It was the same number in 2021 too, which is pretty darn good development and one more cool thing buried within  https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIN/pos.shtml   

I would start with the fact that Salas is a top 100 prospect.  I would likely slot him behind our last top 100 prospect.  That would put him 4th in the top 10 rankings.  I suppose if you think Prielipp could be ranked higher.  But I won’t.  Salas is 4th on our list.  I wonder how that affects our farm systems ranking with another top 100 prospect. Are we now higher then 15 or even 12 now?

I can't rank players I have not seen or read enough about.  I do think Julien is too low. 

2 hours ago, Cris E said:

As much fun as a list like this is, a decent amount of the value some of them is going to provide will only come in the form of a trade. Don't fall in love, because we don't have room for all these guys to play here.  

With that in mind, I'm all in on @tarheeltwinsfan plan of going and getting Vazquez' heir via trade. AZ and TOR swapped stud young players a few weeks ago to fill organizational needs and we should consider it as well. Some things are very hard to do, so not everyone does everything equally well. We are cranking out the middle infield prospects these days and so we are trading from that wealth to buy things we haven't been creating in-house, mostly pitching. But it's also been a long time since we drafted and developed a non-Mauer catcher that anyone else thought highly of.  I just checked: it was a 32 year gap between Jeffers leading the team in games caught in 2020 and Tim Laudner in 1988 with only Mauer in between. There is no indication that we're even trying to figure this out, so we may as well get shopping.   

BTW, out of nine positions last year, the Twins featured starters  Polanco, Miranda, Gordon, Kepler, Arraez and Celestino coming up with the Twins and only Correa, Sanchez and Urshela debuting elsewhere. It was the same number in 2021 too, which is pretty darn good development and one more cool thing buried within  https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIN/pos.shtml   

Really nice attachment showing the franchise position starters since the beginning. Brings back lots of memories. Back to when I first started loving baseball and the Washington Senators in 1954 visiting my grandparents in Washington. Eddie Yost (the "walking man"), Mickey Vernon, Wayne Terwilliger, Pete Runnels, on and on for 68 summers. Every year I get excited as spring training approaches. And 2 years out of 68, I got to celebrate my team being the world champion. But in all of the 68 years, I have been able to celebrate baseball., except the season of 68 when I was overseas in the army.  I'm ready for another season to begin. And hopefully some of you will able to be with me in Ft. Myers to see the Twins play the Tigers and the Orioles and the Dominican all stars. Play ball. 

Is Lee the heir apparent when Polanco's contract ends, or is he more likely to move to 3B?

Edouard Julien is ranked the 7th best 2nd baseman prospect by MLB.com so I think he should be higher. He hopefully will crack the top 100 prospect list as well. 

11 minutes ago, Shaitan said:

Is Lee the heir apparent when Polanco's contract ends, or is he more likely to move to 3B?

The future of the Twins or at least how I see it is Correa moves over to 3B. Lee than takes over at SS. Edouard Julien takes 2B. Royce Lewis moves to the OF. Jose Miranda moves back to 1B. This  obviously only works if all the prospects pan out which is super unlikely but if they did I love this infield. 

I think Lee will be ready for MLB well before Correa is ready to move off SS so he may end up manning 3B for a couple years.  And honestly I expect him to slide in nicely there, so over the next 3-4 years I expect an infield of Lee, Correa, Polanco/Lewis/Julien and Miranda/Kirriloff. They should be good, and when the time comes to move Correa the parts may move in ways we wouldn't expect today. There may be another younger, better SS ready to go, someone like Salas, and then who knows what happens next. Don't get too far ahead, just let it unfold and enjoy the ride.

I received my Twins Prospect rankings from Prospects Live yesterday and this is how they ranked him. They are not kind to Wallner and Balazovic.

1. Brooks Lee, SS - 55 OFP

2. Royce Lewis, SS - 50 OFP

3. Emmanuel Rodriguez, OF - 50 OFP

4. Edouard Julien, 2B - 50 OFP

5. Connor Prielipp, LHP - 50 OFP

6. Louie Varland, RHP - 50 OFP

7. Simeon Woods Richardson, RHP - 50 OFP

8. Marco Raya, RHP - 50 OFP

9. Jose Salas, SS - 50 OFP

10. Austin Martin, SS - 45 OFP

11. David Festa, RHP - 45 OFP

12. Matt Canterino, RHP - 45 OFP

13. Tanner Schobel, SS - 45 OFP

14. Yasser Mercedes, OF - 45 OFP

15. Misael Urbina, OF - 45 OFP

16. Jose Rodriguez, OF - 45 OFP

17. Noah Miller, SS - 45 OFP

18. Jordan Balazovic, RHP - 45 OFP

19. Alejandro Hidalgo, RHP - 45 OFP

20. Matt Wallner, OF - 40 OFP

21. Ronny Henriquez, RHP - 40 OFP

22. Cole Sands, RHP - 40 OFP

23. Danny De Andrade, SS/3B - 40 OFP

24. Aaron Sabato, 1B - 40 OFP

25. Michael Helman, UTIL - 40 OFP

26. Blayne Enlow, RHP - 40 OFP

27. Cory Lewis, RHP - 40 OFP

28. Sean Mooney, RHP - 40 OFP

29. Bryan Acuna, SS - 40 OFP

30. Ben Ross, UTIL - 40 OFP

How many that get moved off SS, for whatever reason, whether young or older, ever make it back and stay there? I can't think of any. There are probably a few, and some act as a sub because of injury or suspension or whatever, but they never really return to man SS for the long haul.

14 hours ago, Cris E said:

As much fun as a list like this is, a decent amount of the value some of them is going to provide will only come in the form of a trade. Don't fall in love, because we don't have room for all these guys to play here.  

 

I can learn to love a good player received in trade too.

I have a hard time seeing Varland as more than a 4th or 5th starter at best....so he is too high on this list for me.

Now Prielipp is someone I can get excited about and I like him this high on the list!

12 hours ago, WhenWillWeBeatNY said:

The future of the Twins or at least how I see it is Correa moves over to 3B. Lee than takes over at SS. Edouard Julien takes 2B. Royce Lewis moves to the OF. Jose Miranda moves back to 1B. This  obviously only works if all the prospects pan out which is super unlikely but if they did I love this infield. 

I don't think Correa is moving off SS in the next 3-4 years. It's going to be interesting to see how everyone fits in with Martin, Julien, Lee, and Lewis knocking on the door and the infield already potentially filled with MLB quality players. But that's a problem I want to have, and why I don't worry about Gallo only being on a one year deal, Kepler close to running his deal out, Polanco close to running his deal out, etc.

Someone let the air out of Noah Miller....

13 hours ago, WhenWillWeBeatNY said:

Edouard Julien is ranked the 7th best 2nd baseman prospect by MLB.com so I think he should be higher. He hopefully will crack the top 100 prospect list as well. 

I am sure you noted, as I did that only he and Lee made it on these lists.  That is a disappointment and might show that familiarity creates a home team bias. 

4 hours ago, Heistyman said:

I received my Twins Prospect rankings from Prospects Live yesterday and this is how they ranked him. They are not kind to Wallner and Balazovic.

 

1. Brooks Lee, SS - 55 OFP

2. Royce Lewis, SS - 50 OFP

3. Emmanuel Rodriguez, OF - 50 OFP

4. Edouard Julien, 2B - 50 OFP

5. Connor Prielipp, LHP - 50 OFP

6. Louie Varland, RHP - 50 OFP

7. Simeon Woods Richardson, RHP - 50 OFP

8. Marco Raya, RHP - 50 OFP

9. Jose Salas, SS - 50 OFP

10. Austin Martin, SS - 45 OFP

11. David Festa, RHP - 45 OFP

12. Matt Canterino, RHP - 45 OFP

13. Tanner Schobel, SS - 45 OFP

14. Yasser Mercedes, OF - 45 OFP

15. Misael Urbina, OF - 45 OFP

16. Jose Rodriguez, OF - 45 OFP

17. Noah Miller, SS - 45 OFP

18. Jordan Balazovic, RHP - 45 OFP

19. Alejandro Hidalgo, RHP - 45 OFP

20. Matt Wallner, OF - 40 OFP

21. Ronny Henriquez, RHP - 40 OFP

22. Cole Sands, RHP - 40 OFP

23. Danny De Andrade, SS/3B - 40 OFP

24. Aaron Sabato, 1B - 40 OFP

25. Michael Helman, UTIL - 40 OFP

26. Blayne Enlow, RHP - 40 OFP

27. Cory Lewis, RHP - 40 OFP

28. Sean Mooney, RHP - 40 OFP

29. Bryan Acuna, SS - 40 OFP

30. Ben Ross, UTIL - 40 OFP

Nor Sands, for that matter.

If you are of the opinion, like that of many scouting reports, that Lee, Salas, and Martin will never play SS in the majors, then Tanner Schobel (overall #13 ?) is our second highest ranked SS prospect.  I admit I don’t know much about him - wasn’t he the substitute teacher in School of Rock?

44 minutes ago, Monkeypaws said:

Someone let the air out of Noah Miller....

All he needs to do is hit and that air might over inflate him.

17 hours ago, Brandon said:

I would start with the fact that Salas is a top 100 prospect.  I would likely slot him behind our last top 100 prospect.  That would put him 4th in the top 10 rankings.  I suppose if you think Prielipp could be ranked higher.  But I won’t.  Salas is 4th on our list.  I wonder how that affects our farm systems ranking with another top 100 prospect. Are we now higher then 15 or even 12 now?

I kind of agree with this. 

I would move him to 6th, but that's just picking nits. 

Future value being equal, I tend to rank the non-pitcher and proximity to the majors higher. That drops Raya and Prielipp down to 7 & 8. 

Regardless, while the system is lacking high end prospects, it is deeply stocked with 50-55 FV players. 

11 minutes ago, Nashvilletwin said:

Nor Sands, for that matter.

If you are of the opinion, like that of many scouting reports, that Lee, Salas, and Martin will never play SS in the majors, then Tanner Schobel (overall #13 ?) is our second highest ranked SS prospect.  I admit I don’t know much about him - wasn’t he the substitute teacher in School of Rock?

If you don't believe there's any chance Lee or Salas could play short then I have some bad news for you about Tanner Schoebel.

There are a few SS prospects that are sure things, and then there is every other SS prospect where there are questions about whether they'll stick long term.

Probably the only reason Lewis won't be primarily a shortstop for a few years is Carlos Correa.  I don't see any reason to write off Salas yet.  Honestly I'd put Miller and De Andrade ahead of Schobel right now anyway.  They've got SS prospects.

21 minutes ago, Nashvilletwin said:

Nor Sands, for that matter.

If you are of the opinion, like that of many scouting reports, that Lee, Salas, and Martin will never play SS in the majors, then Tanner Schobel (overall #13 ?) is our second highest ranked SS prospect.  I admit I don’t know much about him - wasn’t he the substitute teacher in School of Rock?

I think Lee can play short at least early on.  He just projects as an average or slightly below average defender there even now so likely not a long term home there.  Salas is big,  If he gets much bigger he is going to be Miranda size.  I haven't seen him play much so hard to say if can stick but I tend to agree with scouts that his body projection is going to move him off there at some point.  Martin does not have the arm for short and makes way too many errors there. So Yeah I don't see it.

Luckily we have Correa the next four years and some really interesting Shortstops at the lower levels in Miller, Ross, Pena, Ortiz and maybe Daniel as well as one of their top international picks in Chivilli.  So hopefully some guys who can stick at short down the road.

9 minutes ago, 2wins87 said:

If you don't believe there's any chance Lee or Salas could play short then I have some bad news for you about Tanner Schoebel.

There are a few SS prospects that are sure things, and then there is every other SS prospect where there are questions about whether they'll stick long term.

Probably the only reason Lewis won't be primarily a shortstop for a few years is Carlos Correa.  I don't see any reason to write off Salas yet.  Honestly I'd put Miller and De Andrade ahead of Schobel right now anyway.  They've got SS prospects.

Thanks.  

6 minutes ago, Dman said:

I think Lee can play short at least early on.  He just projects as an average or slightly below average defender there even now so likely not a long term home there.  Salas is big,  If he gets much bigger he is going to be Miranda size.  I haven't seen him play much so hard to say if can stick but I tend to agree with scouts that his body projection is going to move him off there at some point.  Martin does not have the arm for short and makes way too many errors there. So Yeah I don't see it.

Luckily we have Correa the next four years and some really interesting Shortstops at the lower levels in Miller, Ross, Pena, Ortiz and maybe Daniel as well as one of their top international picks in Chivilli.  So hopefully some guys who can stick at short down the road.

Lewis still projects as a SS, no?

12 minutes ago, Nashvilletwin said:

Lewis still projects as a SS, no?

For sure I just think they will use him in the outfield as a right handed bat there.  He could move back if Correa needs to move off.  Hopefully they will have someone else ready by then though.