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    Robb Dahlen

    It’s going to be a good battle for the fourth outfielder position. The Minnesota Twins still have a lot of questions to answer before the 2019 season, but one thing they probably don’t have to worry about is finding a fourth outfielder. The Twins currently have eight outfielders on their 40-Man Roster. That’s more than enough and by the end of Spring Training, that number will likely be lower as there are three players who will battle it out in the Spring for one position. The two players who fail to win that competition might have to be moved because they look like they are ready to be major league ballplayers.

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    We’re going to assume the starting outfielders for the 2019 Minnesota Twins will be Eddie Rosario in left field, Byron Buxton in center field and Max Kepler in right field. Is that a certainty? No, injuries are always a possibility, but that’s not what we’re discussing today. It appears the fourth spot on the outfield will come down to Jake Cave, Zack Granite and Michael Reed.

    LIKE BUTTER, ON A ROLE

    First, we should define the role of a fourth outfielder. Any non-starting position is a completely different role compared to a starting position. You’re not playing every day which makes it difficult to get a feel for your game from an offensive standpoint. Your at-bats are scattered into a pinch-hit here and there and a start once or twice a week. As a fourth outfielder, your defense should be a big and very good part of your game. Fourth outfielders are often late-inning replacements to protect a lead.

    Role players or bench players are backups, but that doesn’t make them less important. There’s really no way to practice being in a backup role. Players progress through the minors by playing and playing every day. Teams aren’t trying to develop prospects into backups or utility players. Those players end up playing their way into the lineup so they’ll start to focus on playing a or many different positions. Either way, it will take some time for any player to get used to that role.

    One thing that’s similar to being a starter is you always have to be ready to play. Maybe the better way of describing it for a bench player is you have to figure out how to stay ready while you’re not playing. You have to know how to get your body ready quickly so you can enter the game at any time for any reason. It could be for an injury, as a pinch-hitter or a pinch-runner or as a defensive replacement and it could happen at any point in the game.

    IN THIS CORNER (OR IN THE CENTER)

    Jake Cave, Zack Granite and Michael Reed will compete to decide who makes the team out of Spring Training. Jake Cave appears to have the upper hand in this competition because he played every day for the Twins for the last three months of the 2018 season, producing a 1.5 bWAR result. Zack Granite could disagree because if it wasn’t for him injuring his shoulder in Spring Training last season, Twins fans might not even know who Jake Cave is. Michael Reed was claimed off waivers from the Atlanta Braves on Oct. 31. We don’t know a ton about him since we haven’t seen him play, yet. Looking at his past stats reveals that he has some power, on-base skills and he plays okay defense.

    A fourth outfielder should be able to play every outfield position and play them all well. The Twins are pretty set with good defensive outfielders and both corner outfielders, Eddie Rosario and Max Kepler, can play center field if the need arises so maybe defense won’t play as big of a role in the fourth outfielder decision but not playing good defense would lower their opportunities for playing time.

    Most people will put Jake Cave in the lead to win this spot, but the truth is it’s probably a lot closer than people think.

    TO THE JAKE CAVE

    Jake Cave is coming off a good season where he was able to show some power with the bat and some ability in center field. He hit .269/.316/.481 (AVG/OBP/SLG) going 76-for-283 with 17 doubles, two triples, 13 home runs, 45 RBIs, two stolen bases (in three attempts) and 54 runs scored while drawing 16 walks and striking out 102 times in 91 games (78 starts.)

    He was better against right-handed pitching, a lot better at home than away and better in the first half than the second half of the season. The first versus second half is partly due to small sample size (26 vs. 65 games.) He produced very well in high leverage situations, two outs with runners in scoring position (RISP) and when the game was tied. He also did most of this while batting in the bottom third of the lineup. He was given some time hitting third (nine games) by Paul Molitor in the last month of the season and produced well there, too.

    He does have a leg up in this battle but none of that will matter once spring training begins with the first full workout just 15 days from today on February 18th.

    REEDING IS FUNDAMENTAL

    We haven’t seen enough of Michael Reed to have much of an opinion on him, yet. That means we have to Reed the stats. He had a really good year for the Braves AA and AAA teams last season. He hit .341/.450/.515(AVG/OBP/SLG) going 116-for-340 with 26 doubles, 11 home runs, 39 RBIs, 10 stolen bases (in 13 attempts) and 70 runs scored while drawing 62 walks and striking out 101 times in 103 games. He did start the season in AA but was promoted to AAA at the end of May and he didn’t miss a beat. His season did end a little early in September with a back strain.

    He can play every outfield position with most of his time spent in right field but since 2016, he’s seen more time in center field. He was originally drafted in the sixth round by the Milwaukee Brewers in 2011 out of a Texas high school. He got a taste of the big leagues in 2015 then struggled in the Arizona Fall League. He got back to the big leagues for another taste in 2016 after playing in AAA all season but didn’t produce much in a small eight-game sample and it looks like he was starting to struggle with the better pitching of the upper levels of the minor leagues. In 2017, he started at AA and only played 54 games dealing with injuries. He eventually elected free agency and signed with the Braves and has now put himself in a position to play for a big league job.

    If you’ve seen pictures of Mr. Reed, you can tell he likes working out. He looks like he’s a lot more than 215 lbs listed in his bio.

    DON’T TAKE ZACK FOR GRANITE

    For Minnesota Twins prospect Zack Granite, it’s what have you done for me lately? A bad season can do serious damage to a prospect’s stock. Zack Granite was up with the Twins late in 2017 and showed his ability with the bat, his on-base skills and on defense. Now, it’s like he’s been completely forgotten because he just hit .211/.282/.245 by going 50-for-237 with eight doubles, four RBI, nine stolen bases (in 13 attempts) and 28 runs scored while drawing 22 walks and striking out 28 times in 68 games at AAA. Obviously, that’s a bad season but it’s largely due to a shoulder injury sustained in Spring Training that never fully healed and actually ended his 2018 season early.

    He was the Twins Minor League Player of the Year in 2016 (with 56 steals). He took that momentum into 2017, just tearing up the International League by hitting .338/.392/.475 by going 96-for-284 with 16 doubles, four triples, five home runs, 29 RBI, 15 stolen bases (in 21 attempts) and 46 runs scored while drawing 24 walks and striking out 34 times in 71 games.

    He showed a keen eye in a in only 93 at-bats in that 2017 cup of coffee. That included 22 starts.

    SO, WHO YOU GOT?

    Mr. Cave definitely made it look like he belongs in the major leagues. Some of those were home runs were very large and everyone loves power. The problem with power is it usually brings along with it lots of swings and misses and empty plate appearances. Jake doesn’t look as good defensively on paper.

    Michael Reed is similar to Cave with the power and the strikeouts but he brings better plate discipline in terms of drawing walks and a little better defense. He’s an unknown to Twins fans but the scouts and the front office probably know him pretty well.

    Zack Granite is a comeback candidate as injuries marred his 2018 season and could just be a speed bump in his baseball career. He also might have the most elite all-around skills.

    If you look at their baseball tools, Cave has power, defense and arm. Reed has power defense, arm(?) and he draws walks. Granite has hitting, speed, defense and on-base skills (draws walks, doesn’t strike out much.) I’m not sure how Reed’s arm is but considering the size of the man, I suspect it’s pretty good. That would be the same reason for me thinking Granite’s arm isn’t very strong.

    Also, Jake Cave was given a starting job in the major leagues for two plus months. That’s rare for most prospects. Neither Reed or Granite has had that chance. They’ve been backups when they’ve been in the majors. They all look to have a shot at the spot, though, and that’s why this should be one of the more interesting battles in Minnesota Twins 2019 Spring Training.

    Research/Notes/Links:

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/market-snapshot

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/10/2018-19-market-snapshot-center-field.html

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/10/2018-19-market-snapshot-corner-outfield.html

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2017/07/06/brewers-place-eric-sogard-dl-recall-yadiel-rivera/454700001/

    https://puckettspond.com/2018/04/20/minnesota-twins-future-zack-granite/

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    Probably because it isn't uncommon for a power spike to occur in a player's late 20s. And that is basically all Granite needs to be a productive big leaguer. 

    Granite's career MiLB OPS is .708. He's never going to be a "productive big leaguer."

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    Despite having Buxton, Rosario, Kepler, Cave, Wade, Reed, Kirilloff, Lanarch, Badoo, and more, and OF always being available in FA....

     

    The team needs to be taking chances on pitchers. Imo. They literally have Berrios and, um, no one else proven, under control past this year. And the RP corps isn't in much better shape.

    But that also means there is still plenty of chaff to cut on the pitching side too -- why single out Granite? It's not like Granite, or Duffey, or whomever is holding the FO back on external upgrades anyway.

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    Despite having Buxton, Rosario, Kepler, Cave, Wade, Reed, Kirilloff, Lanarch, Badoo, and more, and OF always being available in FA....

    The team needs to be taking chances on pitchers. Imo. They literally have Berrios and, um, no one else proven, under control past this year. And the RP corps isn't in much better shape.

    I don't disagree with your point about pitching, and I'm not going to go to the ramparts in order to keep Granite on the roster at all costs. If they claim a pitcher with some decent upside, or if they sign a veteran, I'm not going to throw a fuss if they waive Granite to make space. He isn't my personal #40 guy on the roster, but he is probably #37 or so. Anyway, at some level they made the right choice in waiving De Jong since he passed through unclaimed. 

     

    Regardless, my point was more about providing explanation as to why his is still on the roster. I think there is upside there. Granite has a fairly obvious piece (hitting for any kind of power) missing from his current skill set that's preventing him from being a decent big league player. But, fortunately for him, it is a skill that players pick up (especially in their late 20s) all the time. (Contrast that with Tyler Austin, where the conversation is that he needs to cut his K% by 20%. How many players - at 27yo - make drastic cuts to their strikeout rate?) And if it is obvious to me, it should be obvious to the Twins development staff. Hopefully, they sat down with him at the end of the season and basically said, "Look Zack, your current game won't work in the big leagues. You need to change your swing and approach to generate more power, and we will help you figure this out." And hopefully that is what he has been working on all offseason, and will continue through spring training. And if it doesn't happen, he is gone next November. Or sooner if they need the roster space. But the path, though unlikely, is there.

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    I don't disagree with your point about pitching, and I'm not going to go to the ramparts in order to keep Granite on the roster at all costs. If they claim a pitcher with some decent upside, or if they sign a veteran, I'm not going to throw a fuss if they waive Granite to make space. He isn't my personal #40 guy on the roster, but he is probably #37 or so. Anyway, at some level they made the right choice in waiving De Jong since he passed through unclaimed.

     

    Regardless, my point was more about providing explanation as to why his is still on the roster. I think there is upside there. Granite has a fairly obvious piece (hitting for any kind of power) missing from his current skill set that's preventing him from being a decent big league player. But, fortunately for him, it is a skill that players pick up (especially in their late 20s) all the time. (Contrast that with Tyler Austin, where the conversation is that he needs to cut his K% by 20%. How many players - at 27yo - make drastic cuts to their strikeout rate?) And if it is obvious to me, it should be obvious to the Twins development staff. Hopefully, they sat down with him at the end of the season and basically said, "Look Zack, your current game won't work in the big leagues. You need to change your swing and approach to generate more power, and we will help you figure this out." And hopefully that is what he has been working on all offseason, and will continue through spring training. And if it doesn't happen, he is gone next November. Or sooner if they need the roster space. But the path, though unlikely, is there.

     

    Here’s a related set of facts that is somewhat disquieting.

     

    Miguel Sano turns 26 in May.

     

    Miguel Sano has a nearly identical career K rate as Tyler Austin at the MLB level.

     

    Austin posted a career best K rate of 30.9% in 2018.

    Sano posted a career worst K rate of 38.5% in 2018.

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    Here’s a related set of facts that is somewhat disquieting.

     

    Miguel Sano turns 26 in May.

     

    Miguel Sano has a nearly identical career K rate as Tyler Austin at the MLB level.

     

    Austin posted a career best K rate of 30.9% in 2018.

    Sano posted a career worst K rate of 38.5% in 2018.

    they have similar iso as well, but there’s one important stat that is very different.

     

    Sano’s Walk rate is significantly higher career 11.9% to Austin’s 7.4%.

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    they have similar iso as well, but there’s one important stat that is very different.

     

    Sano’s Walk rate is significantly higher career 11.9% to Austin’s 7.4%.

    I suspect that the difference in their walk rates has more to do with the lineups they have been in for most of their careers than their respective selectivity. Just a hunch that Austin rarely - if ever - hit higher than 7th with the Yankees. Sano has rarely hit lower than 5th. To which one are you going to pitch more carefully?

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    I suspect that the difference in their walk rates has more to do with the lineups they have been in for most of their careers than their respective selectivity. Just a hunch that Austin rarely - if ever - hit higher than 7th with the Yankees. Sano has rarely hit lower than 5th. To which one are you going to pitch more carefully?

    you’re more likely to have runners on batting 7th in the Yankees lineup than 5th in the Twins, no? Yankees had 5 players around 500 plate appearances with a .330 OBP. Twins had 1. Had to go down to 300 plate appearances for the Twins to hit 5... that’s 800 additional Yankee plate appearances with a respectable .330 OBP in 2018.

     

    I guess I’d be more careful with Austin in NY he’d be more likely to come to the plate with runners on.

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    We need a term like "microeconomics" for baseball stats for situations like this. We are comparing two completely different players by pulling out two stats instead of looking at even half of the full picture.

     

    We may as well talk about how Nick Punto and Miguel Sano have the same batting average.

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    I suspect that the difference in their walk rates has more to do with the lineups they have been in for most of their careers than their respective selectivity. Just a hunch that Austin rarely - if ever - hit higher than 7th with the Yankees. Sano has rarely hit lower than 5th. To which one are you going to pitch more carefully?

     

    I would think it's more likely a small sample size issue.

     

    But to address your point, I think every team would take a player who hit 17 HR in 1/3 of a season very seriously. The Yankees thought they were selling high on him, we will hopefully find out if that's true or not.

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