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    Ted Schwerzler

    The Minnesota Twins have played 126 games of their 162-game schedule for 2018. Sitting in a position where the season goals have been significantly altered, dreams of October baseball have long since come and gone. As prospects continue to filter into Target Field over the next month, the lineups Paul Molitor draws up will have a different feel. No matter what takes place though, we could very well be witnessing the end of an era.

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    Joe Mauer, 35 years-old and expecting another addition to his family, could be on a collision course to his eventual retirement following the final pitch of the year. As of August 23, the pride of St. Paul, MN has 17 more scheduled home games in front of him. In the final year of the mega-contract that he so deservedly signed, we are only guaranteed the schedule as it currently reads.

    Today, Twins PR director tweeted out some factoids relating to Mauer and his place in Twins history. Against the Oakland Athletics (either this evening or over the weekend), Joe will both tie and surpass Rodney Cline Carew on the All-Time Minnesota hit list. After leaping beyond the 2,085 hits necessary for that honor, he’ll be staring up at only Kirby Puckett. Having scored at least 60 runs in every season dating back to 2011, it’s a good bet that Mauer reaches that plateau this season as well. Although that number won’t vault him over the competition, it would position him to top the list should he come back in 2019.

    That’s where my wheels really started to begin turning. We are all witnesses to this greatness, aren’t we? Joe Mauer will go down as arguably the greatest player to ever wear a Twins uniform not-named Harmon Killebrew. He’s been a figurehead of this team and organization since his debut in 2004, and really since being selected as the first overall pick in the 2001 Major League Baseball draft. This is a player that graces a franchise only once in a generation, and the lasting impact is felt forever.

    As someone who’s been a significant advocate of Mauer being superimposed over Puckett, I can cede where that may be up for debate. To the detractors pointing out a contract that was paid to a catcher in the same vein as Bench, and one that had yet to experience career altering brain injuries, I can only wish you peace. Not only are you wrong on his warranted and applied value to the organization, you’ve also debated a meaningless topic to the point of missing out on someone you’ll likely never again see replicated.

    It’s more than fair to note that Joe has never been flashy and suggesting him as a poster boy for “Minnesota Nice” should never draw ire. Those factors should not deter those within Twins Territory from appreciating his ability either. Major League Baseball has long done a poor job of marketing even their brightest stars, and the more private professionals don’t help to fuel that fire either. Being who he is has never stopped Mauer’s production, and it’s worked well for guys like Mike Trout and Jim Thome as well.

    When the dust settles here, no matter where you stand on his statistical or analytical merits, the last the standing will be the tough reality that it’s finished. My hope is that Joe decides he’s got another year or two in him. The Gold Glove caliber defense at first base has significant value, and his profile still fits perfectly well in the leadoff spot of a Twins lineup that should rebound nicely next season. My fear however and given some of the hints you may have picked up on as well, is that this is truly it. We are nearing the point that it’s over.

    Should we cross the finish line on September 30th and leave the gates at Target Field with that being the last time, none of the accolades will matter in that moment. It will be a time of thanks, remembrance, and reflection of what just took place over those 15 great years. As with all things in life, we don’t know what time is left, and if we truly are all witnesses, embarking upon the final month could be upon us.

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    You are entitled to your opinion.

    As are you. It's a friendly discussion, nothing more. Our discussion won't have any effect of whether they sign him or not.  And, personally, I'm fine either way.  Part of me wants him to retire so he doesn't get another concussion and so the constant slamming of him slows down. The other part of me wants him to be signed to annoy those who do it  ;)

     

    If the Twins actually get a better option, that would be ideal.  I doubt they will.

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    Joe has been a fine player for us. He was great early in his career and is good today. Unless he is blocking someone from playing up here, he should be brought back for another year or two IF he wants to play. Personally, I hope he stays with the Twins or goes to the Yankees if he stays in baseball.

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    Joe has been a fine player for us. He was great early in his career and is good today. Unless he is blocking someone from playing up here, he should be brought back for another year or two IF he wants to play. Personally, I hope he stays with the Twins or goes to the Yankees if he stays in baseball.

    I was totally with you until that very last part, and then you lost a lot of credibility.

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    He isn't at first base at least twice a week.

    Well, my post said "out of the lineup" not off of first base.

     

    You are correct that he is spending time at DH too, although that doesn't appear to be causing a short bench situation either.

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    Perhaps Mauer is frequently not playing 1B because he has an established history of getting hurt/tired if he is out in the field too often. I don't think it's fair to lay that at anyone's feet other than Mauer. (And even that, some of it, is out of his control too)

    Sure, but is that causing a short bench, which has been the claim in this thread? Even if Mauer was an iron man starting at 1B, we'd still need someone like Morrison or Austin to start at DH.

     

    If we were an NL team, Mauer not starting often enough at 1B would be more of a problem for roster construction. For an AL team, I am not sure it matters all that much.

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    Well, my post said "out of the lineup" not off of first base.

     

    You are correct that he is spending time at DH too, although that doesn't appear to be causing a short bench situation either.

    I think the point is the much of the defense of his value revolves around his defense at first base- which is meaningless when he's playing DH.

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    I think the point is the much of the defense of his value revolves around his defense at first base- which is meaningless when he's playing DH.

    And in the days of 12 and 13 man pitching staffs, by definition a part time, one position player causes an even shorter bench, with impact elsewhere.

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    Sure, but is that causing a short bench, which has been the claim in this thread? Even if Mauer was an iron man starting at 1B, we'd still need someone like Morrison or Austin to start at DH.

    If we were an NL team, Mauer not starting often enough at 1B would be more of a problem for roster construction. For an AL team, I am not sure it matters all that much.

     

    No, but I wasn't commenting on that notion.  I was just pointing out that if people are valuing his defense (rightly) it's also fair to point out that he isn't an iron-man on the field.  Over the last few years the team has been forced to DH him more in order to avoid injury and fatigue.  It's not Molitor's fault or the team's fault - it's on Mauer's body that he isn't out there more.

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    This thread? So are you telling me that people don't always talk about Joe's lack of home run power at 1B? Or is that something I just made up? Bottom line is he is one of the best 25 guys on the team. When that changes then the argument changes. As long as he is one of the best 25 it will be up to Joe when he is done, when he isn't one of the best 25 then it won't be up to him anymore.

     

    no one is saying 25 HRs.....but single digits, with not many doubles anymore, and an inability to play in the field even half the games matters......

     

    I'm still not sure I get the "25 best on the roster" thing......he is a DH and part time 1B. 

     

    I'd rather have Garver at 1B, and Kepler, and Sano, and Austin and Rooker. That combination allows them to have options they don't have now, and also very likely results in much better hitting. It isn't just power, or just walks, or just singles, or just doubles.....it is all those combined. And, all those combined, he's not as good as any of the players listed above, other than Rooker, who has a chance to be as good or better going forward.

     

    Mauer was a great player. He no longer is. It is possible that if he played 120 games at first his defense would matter, but since he doesn't even play 81, there just isn't enough accumulation of extra outs to make up for what he does on offense compared to other options.

     

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    no one is saying 25 HRs.....but single digits, with not many doubles anymore, and an inability to play in the field even half the games matters......

     

    I'm still not sure I get the "25 best on the roster" thing......he is a DH and part time 1B. 

     

    I'd rather have Garver at 1B, and Kepler, and Sano, and Austin and Rooker. That combination allows them to have options they don't have now, and also very likely results in much better hitting. It isn't just power, or just walks, or just singles, or just doubles.....it is all those combined. And, all those combined, he's not as good as any of the players listed above, other than Rooker, who has a chance to be as good or better going forward.

     

    Mauer was a great player. He no longer is. It is possible that if he played 120 games at first his defense would matter, but since he doesn't even play 81, there just isn't enough accumulation of extra outs to make up for what he does on offense compared to other options.

    Wait, are you saying Mauer isn't as good of a 1B as Austin or Garver? I can see where moving Sano to 1B makes sense (assuming we can get a ood 3B) And I can see where moving Kepler to 1B makes sense (if we can figure out our OF).

     

    But Austin and Garver?  Based on what?

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    Wait, are you saying Mauer isn't as good of a 1B as Austin or Garver? I can see where moving Sano to 1B makes sense (assuming we can get a ood 3B) And I can see where moving Kepler to 1B makes sense (if we can figure out our OF).

     

    But Austin and Garver?  Based on what?

     

    Well, hitting and fielding and base running, going forward......and position flexibility, not just DH and infrequent 1B.

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    Well, hitting and fielding and base running, going forward......and position flexibility, not just DH and infrequent 1B.

     

    Kepler and Garver have played a combined 2 innings outside of the regular positions of OF and C this season.  I understand having emergency positional flexibility is nice to have, but let's not act these guys can just jump around and play wherever. 

     

    You made the comment, "I'd rather have Garver at 1B, and Kepler, and Sano, and Austin and Rooker."

     

    You can have all of that.  Garver starting at C, Kepler in RF, Sano at 3rd, Austin at DH.  You still have room for a above average 1B who has the on base skills to lead off.  All that leaves is Rooker is 23 and still striking out 30% of the time in AA, why are we rushing him?

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    Kepler and Garver have played a combined 2 innings outside of the regular positions of OF and C this season.  I understand having emergency positional flexibility is nice to have, but let's not act these guys can just jump around and play wherever. 

     

    You made the comment, "I'd rather have Garver at 1B, and Kepler, and Sano, and Austin and Rooker."

     

    You can have all of that.  Garver starting at C, Kepler in RF, Sano at 3rd, Austin at DH.  You still have room for a above average 1B who has the on base skills to lead off.  All that leaves is Rooker is 23 and still striking out 30% of the time in AA, why are we rushing him?

    Concur. Who'd we trade for?  :)

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