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    Seth Stohs

    On Sunday, the eyes of the baseball world will be upon San Diego and the Winter Meetings. Let’s take a look at what the Minnesota Twins need to accomplish this offseason. Obviously not all of it will be completed over the next week, but it is an opportunity to get all parties in one location, able to have discussions. 

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    Here we are in the first days of December, and there are some fans who are already wondering if this has been a lost offseason for the Twins. Aside from the standard roster cleanup at the end of the season and the 40-man roster additions, the only moves made have been bringing back minor-league free agents Jair Camargo and Elliot Soto

    It is also important to note that the annual Winter Meetings are set up for league meetings, rules meetings, minor-league meetings and more. It is also a place where people will bring their resumes and meet with teams, hoping to get jobs or internships. Those looking for jobs in baseball will be dressed in suits and ties. GMs and media are often seen in business casual, if not shorts and a beach button down shirt. 

    If the season started today… 
    I think that it is always important to know the current status. That way, we are able to look at where the roster stands, and see where there are weaknesses and strengths. This is all stuff that the front office does, though much more in-depth and thoroughly than any of us. But for us, it’s where we’re starting. If the season started today, what would the roster look like? 

    C: Ryan Jeffers
    1B: Alex Kirilloff  
    2B: Jorge Polanco 
    3B: Jose Miranda 
    SS: Kyle Farmer  
    LF: Trevor Larnach 
    CF: Byron Buxton
    RF: Max Kepler 
    DH: Luis Arraez 

    More 40-Man Options: Edouard Julien, Gilberto Celestino, Mark Contreras, Matt Wallner, Kyle Garlick
    Injured: Royce Lewis
    Upper-Level, Non-40-Man Roster: David Banuelos, Jair Camargo, Alex Isola, Chris Williams, Michael Helman. Austin Martin, Brooks Lee

    SP: Sonny Gray, Joe Ryan, Kenta Maeda, Tyler Mahle, Bailey Ober 
    RP: Jhoan Duran, Jorge Lopez, Caleb Thielbar, Griffin Jax, Jorge Alcala, Emilio Pagan, Jovani Moran, Trevor Megill.

    More 40-Man Options: Jordan Balazovic, Blayne Enlow, Brent Headrick, Ronny Henriquez, Cole Sands, Louie Varland, Josh Winder, Simeon Woods Richardson
    Injured: Chris Paddack, Matt Canterino
    Upper-Level, Non-40-Man Roster: Evan Sisk, Randy Dobnak,Austin Schulfer, Kody Funderburk, Steven Cruz, Cody Laweryson

    Roster Needs
    1.) Shortstop - Obviously the big talker this week, as it has been the last month or more, is what will happen with Carlos Correa? While the Twins have made offers, Correa is going to have many offers. In my opinion, he’ll get 10 years from someone, and I would guess that he would get a number very close to the $325 million that Corey Seager got just a year ago. The Twins love Correa. Correa clearly enjoyed his time with the Twins and developed some very strong relationships in the Twins organization. It may simply come down to money, and the fact that teams like the Dodgers, Yankees, Padres, Phillies, Braves, and Cubs are other teams looking to sign a shortstop, it will be very hard for the Twins to compete with those teams. Could he be willing to get creative to stay with the Twins?  

    So what is the fallback plan? The Twins were aggressive in bringing in Kyle Farmer. If he’s the Twins opening day shortstop, the Twins will be fine, but that is the proverbial floor that they have set. They clearly want Correa. If they don’t get him, I think they’ll continue their conversations with Scott Boras in hopes of signing Xander Bogaerts. You could argue that dollar-for-dollar, that would be a better investment. Bogaerts is only a year younger than Correa, has had a remarkable career in Boston already, and will likely make $100 million less than Correa. The Twins front office clearly has a strong relationship with the Boras agency, so while odds may be low, it’s OK for Twins fans to have some hope in bringing one of them in. 

    2.) A top starting pitcher - Forced to fill innings and starts in 2022, the Twins gave opportunities to several young starting pitchers. Joe Ryan was the Opening Day starter, and when Bailey Ober was healthy, he pitched well. With the emergence of Varland, Henriquez, Winder, and Woods Richardson, the need to sign veteran fifth starter options to eat innings should not be there. That is especially true when looking at the eight-figure contracts signed last week by Mike Clevinger and Matthew Boyd

    Can the Twins count on their starters being healthy in 2023? While it would surely be nice to assume that Kenta Maeda will return from Tommy John and pitch like he did in 2020, that’s probably not fair. Tyler Mahle made just four starts before his shoulder issues continued, but if he’s healthy, he would likely be their top pitcher. Sonny Gray ended the season in the Injured List with a hamstring issue. Bailey Ober had two long stints on the IL with leg issues. If healthy, this rotation can be pretty solid. Maybe no number one starters, but potentially a couple of solid #2s and a couple more solid #3s. The youngsters can be the as-needed starters, working to improve their readiness in St. Paul. 

    If the Twins can add a true #1 starter, that would be huge. The problem is Jacob de Grom inexplicably got five guaranteed seasons from the Rangers. Justin Verlander will either pitch for Houston again or in New York. The only other ace available in free agency is lefty Carlos Rodon, an injury-risk in his own right. Is that the move? Risks are very high with free-agent pitchers. Between one-third and one-half of the 30 teams in the league will be after the southpaw. How strong a starter could the Twins hope for in free agency? Is the trade route a possibility for the Twins? 

    3.) Backup catcher - I know, the front office and others have said that they would like to add a catcher to split time with Ryan Jeffers or even be a starter. I’m admittedly a big believer in Jeffers. I don’t see a big problem at all. For me, I much prefer they find a solid left-handed hitting catcher to start maybe 60 games while Jeffers gets the other 100 starts. 

    Willson Contreras would be fun and provide strong offense, but I don’t think they need to spend four years and $80 million on a catcher. Christian Vasquez may get $10-12 million annually over a year or two.Both are right handed. Omar Narvaez makes a lot of sense. To a lesser degree, Tucker Barnhart might make sense. I would be fine with them. Honestly, I’d also be intrigued by the likes of Austin Hedges and Mike Zunino, or Roberto Perez or Kevin Plawecki. Really, once you get past Contreras, there aren’t really many catchers that can hit, so they should grab another strong defensive catcher that is well respected. As I mentioned, I’m a big believer in Jeffers, and that includes his bat. Yes, it would be good to see him hovering around .240 instead of .200, but he has the power to hit 20 or more homers if he gets 100 starts. How many catchers can do that? 

    Other Things to Consider

    • Where should the Twins payroll be? While there aren’t great or exact public records for MLB team’s books, if they are to be in the player preferred 48-52% of revenue, the Twins should probably be somewhere between $150 and $165 million in 2023. 
    • Will the Twins be able to trade veteran Max Kepler? Should they? 
    • Are there other veterans that could be traded? Maybe even Jorge Polanco
    • Will the team add some solid veteran relievers? Adding even just one more reliable arm for the late innings would help and provide depth for the unforeseen. Or, could they move some of their intriguing starting pitcher prospects to the bullpen to work in roles where they can pitch 2-4 innings at a time? 
    • The Twins tendered a 2023 contract to Emelio Pagan, but they will certainly try to trade him during the offseason. Can they get anything for him? 
    • Do the Twins need to add speed to their roster in the offseason to take advantage of some of the new rules coming in 2023? 
    • Will the Twins make a Rule 5 draft pick? Could they potentially lose players in the Rule 5 draft? They protected four players - and traded one of them - but there are players that the Twins could lose. 

    To this point, the Twins have added a solid MLB shortstop (and a potentially very nice utility piece) in Kyle Farmer. They have a lot of work to do and a lot of difficult questions to answer. Shortstop will certainly be the focus, but will any of the Big 4 free agent shortstops look to sign this early in the offseason? The Twins should also be looking at high-level starting pitching, and they would be wise to add at least one more reliable reliever. Finally, they need to add a reliable catcher to team with Ryan Jeffers. 

    Of course, the Winter Meetings are often more of a time for rumors and conversations to set things up for the next few weeks. The Twins did already make one move this offseason that we all hope will have a huge impact on the organization. In hiring head athletic trainer Nick Paparest, the hope is that the Twins will be able to avoid the massive amount of lost time due to injuries. If that can happen, it could play a huge role in the Twins success in 2023. 

    Some of this may be answered over the coming days in San Diego, and talks will continue right through spring training. It should be a lot of fun. 

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    2 hours ago, RpR said:

    Then you think it was stupid to dump Rosario, his batting numbers were very good and they still dumped  him. 

    You have to if hitting is so important plus if hitting is that important then the rookies who have put up lousy numbers should go back to AAA till they prove then deserve to be up, not floating around the Mendoza line, or traded for veterans whoes already have shown what they can do .

    The latter is how they got a top line team in 2019,

    No, Eddie Rosario's batting numbers were not "very good." They were solid, but not worth the contract they would have had to pay him in arbitration. As shown by the fact that nobody signed him to a deal the size they would've had to pay him in arbitration. And he was a poor defender and base runner who made a lot of mental mistakes.

    Some of the rookies should be in AAA, yes. But they also need the chance to prove they can adjust and perform in the majors after they've mastered AAA. That's how it works. Alex Kirilloff can do no more in AAA. He's proven without a doubt that he's too good for that level. The question now is if he's good enough to be in the majors. You can't find that out if you don't play him in the majors. Trevor Larnach mastered AAA. Jose Miranda mastered AAA. Celestino did not and I'd put him back there. Wallner is on the border, but I'd start him in AAA. Lewis has mastered AAA and needs to be in the majors. I don't think they should build their entire team around rookies/young players (I want them to sign Correa and let Lewis/Lee/whoever find a spot when they establish themselves). But they need to have some mixed in because of the nature of finances in major league baseball.

    I'm not ignoring any side of the game and am advocating for taking the complete player into account. You constantly complain about young players being around the Mendoza line while pushing for Kepler to stay with the Twins despite him having a worse BA than many of the young guys when they're healthy. And that's because you love his defense. I don't mind Kepler around as a 4th OFer, but his defense in RF doesn't make up for the hole he puts in the lineup. It's entirely possible for those of us who wouldn't mind seeing him replaced are taking a defensive drop into account when we wish for an upgrade in RF. Slightly worse defense with significantly better offense makes the team better. But you often times just point to the defensive drop and say it'd automatically be a bad move. That's extreme.

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    On 12/4/2022 at 5:25 PM, specialiststeve said:

    Would really depend on what they got back for them. Kepler has yearly underperformed... Polanco has some good trade value with his manageable contract ... Moving both would open up spots for Gordon to play second as he has proved he can play.. Kepler very good on defense but... They CLEARLY will add a catcher so that is a mute point. 

     

    Moving Polanco to open a spot for Gordon would be a great idea if Gordon could play BETTER than Polanco.  Has not yet proven able to do so.

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    10 hours ago, adorduan said:

    *2021 playoffs excepted. world series champion, baby. more than any of the current Twins will ever be.

    Yeah...Are you kidding me? Eddie Rosario was a fricken warrior! Can you name the player with the most RBIs for the Bomba Squad?  If you can't then get off this site. Non tendering Rosario was the 2nd most asinine decision Falvey ever made. The first was trading Escobar.

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    19 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

    Pat Neshek was not a long reliever. Did he have a few games early where he went more than 1 inning? Yes. But he was no long reliever. In '06 he had 37 innings in 32 games. In '07 he had 70.1 innings in 74 games. In '08 he had 13.1 innings in 15 games. In '10 he had 9 innings in 11 games. 3 of his 4 seasons here he averaged less than an inning per outing.

    He wasn't a long reliever after he left, either. In fact, he never averaged even 1 inning per outing in any year after his rookie year. He threw 488 innings in 544 appearances in his career. That's .9 innings per appearance.

    Thanks chpettit, I'm sorry I misconstrued Nesek's gap filling middle relief as long relief. But I don't want to negate our need of long relief to fill our gap between SP to closer.

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    3 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

    Thanks chpettit, I'm sorry I misconstrued Nesek's gap filling middle relief as long relief. But I don't want to negate our need of long relief to fill our gap between SP to closer.

    No worries, I agree with your long reliever take (they need at least 1 guy who goes multiple innings regularly) but Neshek was definitely not that guy. He was fun to watch, though.

    1 hour ago, Doctor Gast said:

    Can anybody tell me the draft lottery turned out last night?

     

    Draft lottery is at 7:30 tonight, fyi.

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    On 12/6/2022 at 9:45 AM, chpettit19 said:

    No worries, I agree with your long reliever take (they need at least 1 guy who goes multiple innings regularly) but Neshek was definitely not that guy. He was fun to watch, though.

    Back in Neshek day, it was common for the Twins rotation to go 7 innings and wasn't uncommon for them to complete the game. Neshek was the middle RP who pitched 1-2 innings to fill that gap between SP & closer.

    Now days our rotation is very different & philosophy has changed for SPs to pitch around 5 innings. To compensate so should our philosophy on middle RPs should change to pitch around 3 innings instead of having around 4 short RPs pitching almost every game. This overstretches short relief which to compensate the rotation is overstretched.

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